Mike Brown speaks on facing De’Aaron Fox and Harrison Barnes in the Finals: “They definitely want to beat me and I want to kick their ass.”
No matter who wins this series, the Kings lost.
Nah, Kings won. Just goes to show that trading for Kings players and coaches is how you build a team that gets you to the finals. Demar Derozan? Zach Lavine? Domantas Sabonis? Deandre Hunter? Trade values all astronomical right now. You need those guys if you wanna go to the finals. I promise you!
every league needs farm teams, its honest work
Sacramento is world renown for being the Farm to Fork Capital. Usually we’re talking about tomatoes, but we really are good at developing young talent like Demar Derozan before we ship him off to a playoff team that needs a bit more talent, like the Thunder.
Demar and Shai middys next year lets gooo
You really think they can get Demar without trading Shai?
Chet for Demar, let’s Go!
Oakland A’s
You’re describing the existence of a Jets fan.
Stopped watching them and the NFL seriously once I knew the best we’ll ever amount to is being a talent exporter.
If we’re not seriously trying to be competitive, what else are we here for?
At least giv Westbrook some love
Westbrook is a free agent. You will have to trade for Zach Lavine if you want a chance at making the finals next year.
Those are some bulls players right there
And then our GM will include picks just because
What about Raynaud ? 😋
Finally someone in Sacramento, the “Crucible of Champions”, gets it.
Big time
Many already won when the Thunders lost. That includes me.
I just want both teams to have fun. lol
It’s so nice that we can watch the Finals without keeping a tally of how many times SGA crumples onto the ground like a stunt double.
Crazy cause there’ll still be a shit ton of flopping. It was just magnified on sga since he’s the b2b mvp
It was ““magnified”” because he got every call no matter how egregious his flopping, and so guys weren’t able to defend him. They would literally run away rather than defend him and he would still jump into them and get free throws. On top of that the rest of the team plays football on defence and still only gets called for half the fouls other teams would if they were doing that.
Don’t start with this revisionist shit that “Oh people just call him a flopper because he’s the MVP, everyone does the same”. No, it isn’t remotely the same at all.
You got it twisted there. He was the mvp because he does a shit ton of flopping, not the other way around
I mean you’re objectively wrong
Go look up what objectively means, then come back and edit your comment, don’t worry I won’t tell anybody
Hey! So someone doesn’t win mvp because he flops. He won mvp cause he was the most efficient guard since 2016 Steph, broke wilt’s 20 point streak, led his team to the best record in the league despite being one of the most injured teams in the league, was the second leading scorer and had an amazing TO rate.
All of those achieved because of flopping. Objectively, everyone saw it.
And that’s how you use that word right.
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You’re about to get introduced to Bobblehead Brunson. He’s every bit as bad as SGA, although less falling but more head snapping and flailing.
you are delusional and not a single statistic backs up your delusion
I mean, everyone flops. Just not to the extent of SGA and the Thunder. Lebron, Cp3, and Harden has been doing it since time immemorial.
I can live with that.
Castle has plenty of head snapping too. So it evens out
Fox and Haliburon should have guaranteed them a playoff appearance every year at the very least.
Two of the clutchest players in the league together at guard… They would definitely be a perennial playoff team. We have Fox and Harper with clutch genes, and of course Wemby. It also rubs off on other players ngl.
We saw what they looked like together lol. Worst defense in the NBA and they actively played worse together than apart - by a huge margin.
It was earlier in their careers (especially Hali), but their games haven’t fundamentally changed at all since then. Kings would definitely NOT have been a perennial playoff team.
If the Kings hadn’t traded either of them, my money would be on the playoff drought still going up by the year. Let’s especially not act like the Kings would have done anything else better in terms of roster construction, etc in this alternate reality lol.
Wtf a Spurs fan and you’re not slandering Fox every chance you get? What a rare find
I’ve only made 1 of my overall 1000+ Spurs related posts getting mad at Fox and I still feel bad about it. I’m a huge fan of his.
A tradition unlike any other.
I think “the Kings lost” is just their motto atp
I got Kings in 5 this series
I’ve got the analytical Cavs in 6
The data will be out next Wednesday.
Mike on one side, Fox on the other. It’s impossible to lose. And yall were doubting Vivek
Kings in 7 analytically
That’s a spicy take. Honestly could go either way, this series is gonna be pure chaos.
I remember when everyone thought Mike Brown was a terrible coach
Players play the games. Coaches get too much credit and hate
They can’t make you make the right decisions in the game. All the players know deep down it’s their their if they lose 9⁄10 times.
Anyone who has done a stint in management understands that there are good and bad employees at every level. Some staff won’t listen to anyone and while they might do a good job at xyz they still come in late and undermine the company in some way. Some managers might be great with numbers but terrible with people and vice versa. A great manager can take a bad crew and thrive while a bad manager can be gifted a bunch of winners and mismanage them at a level that even skill can’t overcome.
Sure. The front office matters more in NBA
The players have all control once on the court and get coaches fired if don’t like them for any reason. A coach in Football is pretty important but in basketball it’s not. Nick Nurse don’t even run plays and just says go out there and play lol
The art of the NBA coach has dropped off massively. They barely run plays
Well….they do run plays but it’s not like NFL plays where each person has a set responsibility and it’s up to the QB to make the decision. It’s a “hey we will start with this action and if a happens you do x if b happens you do y and if c happens then you do z” it’s all read and react with the coach yelling adjustments from the sidelines.
Nick Nurse is a crazy call out because the plays he ran are literally a huge part of what beat the Celtics this year. Every time out, quarter break, foul review, he put together a play that scored the first possession back.
It’s just a results business and fans are dumb asses who have no idea how to rate coaches and just spew stupid buzzwords “adjustments” “rotations”
Basketball in the NBA is literally the most individual based team sport that exists, you need the talented players and you need fits on the team that fit well together
Coaches can change teams obviously but it’s so hard to judge that
I can assure you it’s very easy to judge this when you replace tom thibodeau with mike brown.
i think coaching (mostly from mike brown) is going to be what decides the finals. how he uses KAT on the offensive end - as a scorer or playmaker, how he guards wemby, i think this is what will make or break the knicks
Obviously not. You could see the entire Knicks sub clamoring and crying that firing Thibodeau was a horrible move all the time this year. Suddenly everything is different. Because guys sitting on their couch have no idea what coaches do
They wanted to fire Mike Brown three weeks ago. 🤣🤣🤣
The Mike Brown hired by Knicks thread is a dumpster fire. Now it was obvious? They not slick lol
Yeah no shit, because he finally made the adjustments he was supposed to.
Point KAT literally and the choice to not impulsively double CJ literally were season-saving adjustments after going down 1-2 in the first round.
We’re reluctant to fire a coach that gave us nearly 5 years of competency after being in the gutter for decades and also got us to the ECF for the first time since ‘99. We didn’t even know who would replace him.
For someone who lurks in our team sub like you said you did, you still somehow understood even less about the team.
Im just saying, people know jack shit about coaching. Go back literally a couple weeks ago and you can find Knicks fans wanted Brown fired immediately after game 3 against the Hawks lol
Yeah I know. And I’m giving you context as to why. You don’t need to be a lifelong pro-basketball coach to see what was wrong and what needed to be done.
If we had Thibs coaching vs the Hawks, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Yes we would because fans would be calling for Thibs to be fired too bro 😭 every fanbase does this. Spurs fans wanted Mitch fired earlier this year too. I still see people calling Kerr a terrible coach because he couldnt use Kuminga 💀 all my point was is that regular fans dont know anything about coaching. I didnt mean to make it sound like a Knicks issue
Mike also doesn’t get any credit for first Cavs run because everybody gives all the credit to Lebron
they were an excellent defensive team with high IQ players and didn’t have real drama despite the fact it was known nobody was allowed to hold Lebron accountable cause franchise was afraid he’d leave. even Mike in film session wasn’t allowed to point out Lebron’s mistakes
Baseball is literally a pitcher throwing against a batter for most of the game. More than two players being involved in defensive play is unusual, and more than two players involved in an offensive play is a fielding or pitching error by the defense.
The NBA has just as much matchup variation as the NHL or NFL, even if all you’re paying attention to is one player.
Mike Brown is a very different coach since he was coaching the Lakers.
He’s completely revamped how he runs his offense since then and is still a top tier defensive coach.
Working under Kerr for like 6 years definitely changed the way he sees the offensive side. He might have ran the worst offensive sets in the league prior.
Mr. Potato Head memes seem like a century ago.
I agree, there is way too much coaching talk
Imo it’s just an extension of people thinking they know how “good” or “bad” a player is. They look at a roster and think either “this team’s trash this guy can’t shoot that guy can’t defend” or “this team’s amazing this guy’s a killer that guys a dawg”. If the good team underperforms the coach is trash if the bad team overperforms the coach is a genius.
They literally barely do anything now outside sub people in and out or be motivating after games lol
It’s about who you use at certain times I guess. In all major sports the coach in NBA is least important by a lot. You just need someone who’s a leader and gets respect.
The least impact has to be baseball manager. As a basketball coach you still install an offense, draw up ATOs, call set plays on numerous possessions a game , and make defensive adjustments throughout the 48 minutes.
It’s not football level of management, but in baseball you basically just make pitching changes. Baseball is a one on one sport with team elements as every play breaks down to hitter vs pitcher in a solitary one on one match up between them.
You don’t draw up plays, you don’t have defensive schemes outside of a few defensive shifts. Honestly a college team baseball manager making could probably accomplish 90% of what the best managers do considering almost every decision is from analytics today. (Yes you pay more for that extra 10% edge, scarcity of only 30 jobs pushes the economics.)
Just no way basketball is the least influential.
Baseball manager is objectively the answer to that. Lol
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No we weren’t. We would have if he lost the series but only reactionaries who exist in every fanbase were calling for his head at that moment
You know which teams have the most bandwagoners and reactionaries right now?
Yep, the Vancouver Grizzlies
I still believe IQ is overvalued and EQ is undervalued and since we have very little details on the EQ of a locker room in real time, us fans cling to making stuff up about the IQ portion.
Like a Cavs fan recently told me everything good they did in 2025 was because of Jordan Ott.
There’s just no way they know that. Lol
I mean Chris Paul is probably one of the smartest dudes to ever play the game and it seems not everyone loves playing with him.
There must be a reason players seem to trust Doc Rivers.
The coach prepares you for a game and reminds you of what needs to be done ingame.
The players are responsible for what gets done in the court.
He was though
At one point he wasn’t a great coach, he evolved over time. Sometimes people also just aren’t in the right situation to succeed
The funniest thing is, no matter who wins, the real losers are The Kings.
To be fair, that would be true no matter what teams were in the Finals
Nah fr, Kings fans catching strays from all angles this season. At this point they’re just living rent free in everyone’s head.
He’s had some great quotes. I know supposedly him and Fox didn’t end well but they had some decent times together
They never had a falling out. Mike Brown getting fired was the last straw that made Fox demand a trade. From what I understand, Fox was one of the only players that wanted MB to continue to be the coach. It created a sort of schism between Fox and a lot of the rest of the team.
Fox explicitly told the Kings front office he wasn’t going to play for another coach if they fired mike Brown, and then they fired Brown without even consulting or notifying Fox (his agent came to his hotel room to tell him), then they let Fox take the blame for getting Mike Brown fired. By the time the ownership/front office spoke up to clarify that Fox had nothing to do with Mike’s firing, it was too late.
vivek has to be one of the dumbest owners in sports history
Nik rocks!
then they let Fox take the blame for getting Mike Brown fired.
This was nasty work. Pretty much only kings fans know this, but after they fired Mike Brown neither the GM or owner made a statement/announcement/interview. They went ghost. Meanwhile the whole media was like wtf just happened to our head coach who just won Coach of the Year not even a year ago? So they started just asking Fox why Mike Brown got fired over and over again during practice interviews and post/pre game interviews. This went of for like 2 weeks straight. All of this with the front office making zero announcements. Finally GM Monte McNair showed up to do a softball interview and gave reasons why the thought they needed to fire Mike Brown. But yeah Fox was left to fend for himself for weeks being asked questions that should be going to the GM
It’s nasty work when teams do this. A similar thing happened with Cade when the Pistons were on the 28-game losing streak. Monty/Troy/Tom hiding from the media while Cade is fielding questions like he’s the one still starting Killian Hayes.
Huh I never really knew exactly how the firing went down, but now I know it’s by design. Man, what an ugly sequence of events.
Yeah that Kings team was fun while it lasted even if it ended messy. Brown seems like the type of coach who takes that personally though lol
Can’t hate on Barnes or Mike Brown. Solid dudes.
Kings in 4
Haven’t seen a Knicks coach so personable since Whoopi Goldberg in 96’.
Ah so you’re not familiar with Mike “Eleven Fingers” Miller?
Lmao I guess it fits under parody law, but seeing the actual NBA licensed team names being used with that nonsense feels surreal
anyone got the lore?
They are all from the Kings
All former kings coach/players
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It was the rest of them team who wanted brown gone, fox told the team he wouldn’t re-sign if they fired mike brown before they fired him
Nope. Fox wanted out once they fired him.
Actually Fox was like the only player that still liked Mike Brown as head coach and it created tension between him and the rest of his team.
the last game before mike got fired was against the pistons, the kings were up 3 points and detroit had possession and called timeout. mike brown emphasizes to the team not to foul the 3 point shooter and allow a potential 4 point play.
out of the timeout the ball ends up in jaden ivey’s hands (de’aaron fox’s man) in the corner because fox fell asleep, and overcompensating fox fouls ivey who makes the 3 pointer and gets fouled. ivey got fouled and makes the free throw and the kings lose.
at the press conference mike brown repeats that he told them to be vigilant on defense, while fox when asked what happened on the play declines to explain what happened because “it’s not going to make anyone feel any better”
mike brown ended up getting fired the day after that game, then fox gets traded 3 months later after sandbagging half the season because he realized he wasn’t going to get a supermax (he needed to make an All-NBA team), then we end up here with both of them in the finals and the kings firmly in the gutter of the league
Spurs fans have a love/hate relationship with fox’s play. I do think having a veteran in the backcourt at this stage is a great idea. But he’ll be gone after a couple of more seasons.
we saw how badly he was needed the first two games of the WCF when Castle had 20+ turnovers.
I went back and forth with him for a time, but after seeing how much his absence affected the team’s play, especially Castle’s, I’m a believer. Harper and Castle both really like him, too, so I think he’s providing a lot that doesn’t show up on the box score. I know he’s not here long term, but after that Thunder series, you won’t see me complaining about him or his contract.
Fox attacks the rim without any plan most of the time but he is really tight with the ball so he manages to dribble away or make an outlet pass to reset. Though he has been clanking his treys lately.
Lmao.
This aint even like old lore 😭 must be fresh
Sacramento should light the beam after each game
none of this will matter on judgement day ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hasn’t this been posted 5 times already
That’s honestly the perfect answer. Respect off the court, competition on it.
Man we putting PTA this series
i went to high school ahead of harry! he won state after i left won the natty at unc and won nba finals with steph. winner + good dude
crazy for the kings man
At least Sacramento is having a revitalization of sorts as a city or so I’ve heard .
People used to clown Mike Brown, but he’s building an all-timer coaching resume.