Wish it was us. Get us back Brad please. Giannis ASAP

Yeah, this sub has gone into Giannis overdrive, but it’s just not what we’re seeing around the league.

Most reliable reporting has said we’re not looking to make a move that big. People think we’re the leading the odds to land Giannis, we’re not even top 5.

Shams loves Giannis to Boston, but Shams talks a lot of shit and his reporting is often pretty dodgy. He did the same thing with Durant. Here he pretended Boston was currently in mid-season active talks for a Durant/Brown trade, and then it was revealed Boston had hung up the phone 6 months prior and the trade talks had never gotten serious.

On a side note: It’s unreal Shams got away unscathed from the Ime Udoka situation. Shams shares an agency with Udoka. Shams stepped in very early and reported the incident in Boston was fully consensual, which people still believe to this day. It turns out it wasn’t fully consesusal, Udoka had become abusive and it wasn’t an isolated event. It was a massive conflict of interest, Shams was running defence for a colleague and this could have derailed his career if people had noticed.

A Giannis/Jaylen trade could still happen, but most of the reporting has suggested Boston isn’t that interested.

Plus… the trade would be really hard to pull off. Milwaukee won’t want to go from Giannis to Brown. Supposedly a 3rd team is going to swoop in, take Brown and pay the cost of us acquiring Giannis, but why wouldn’t they just go direct for Giannis themselves?

I’m more just surprised to think Miami could put together the best offer than I am disappointed that the Celtics won’t get him. What’s the account you’re talking about btw?

what about an isaiah joe

Everyone talks about them using those picks for a superstar, but I was wondering a while back if they could just downgrade.

Eg.

• They could have used picks to swap Hartenstein’s 30m for Zubac’s 18m (although less likely now that Indiana gave up pick #5 for him).

• Even crazier, if you want a defensive stretch big who will disappear in a must-win game, then Myles Turner is available for 15m dollars less than Chet Holmgren.

• Short term it’s a downgrade, and long term you’d be giving up a lot of upside, but Jalen Williams is making 41m next season. Trey Murphy III is making 27m.

I think it’s a crazy idea and definitely won’t happen, but it’s fun to think about, and they definitely could still win with moves like that.

Shai won’t let Dort go. That’s his day 1 buddy in OKC and fellow Canadian.

HELL NO to Lu Dort he’s regressing fast and should’ve been replaced by Cason Wallace as a starter. His offense is piss poor and he’s the dirtiest player in the league

I don’t think Dort solves any of our problems. We need a center and more efficient scoring. We have plenty of wing defenders

… so we instead become dogshit for years to try to draft well while Wemby is in his PRIME?

Bait used to be believable.

People were saying the exact same thing in 21’ when the team got gentleman swept by the Nets. The Jays weren’t good enough to get it done, the surrounding talent was putrid and the team should might as well cash in on Jaylen.

The league changes fast. Last year OKC looked unbeatable, prior to that Boston looked unbeatable and prior to that Jokic was far and away the best player and the Nuggets looked destined for more championships. The league changes fast.

“Team expected to easily win championship falls short and feels disappointed about it.”

“Team expected to be in play for the worst record in the NBA is happy they massively exceeded expectations.”

See how they’re kinda different?

All this talk about the Celtics disappointing this year wouldn’t be so annoying if it wasn’t the same sorts of people who said we’d never be able to accomplish anything during the preseason.

Crazy how the team that fell short of preseason expectations feels different than the team that wildly overperformed compared to preseason expectation. Wouldn’t have expected that.

If Sean Payton is coaching the Knicks, maybe

they won’t.

Simmons has talked from both sides of his mouth with Giannis trade rumors, much like most of the NBA “reporters”.

I think Brad does something, but I don’t think he trades away Jaylen

It’s entirely Simmons spitballing.

I don’t think there is an actual rumor. It was born from a Bill Simmons podcast with Zach Lowe where the whole conversation started with the words “I mean, who knows when Trey Murphy is gonna get traded…” followed by “I think Boston is a possibility. We thought whoever lost this matchup [OKC/SA] was a possibility.” And that’s it. They spent the rest of the conversation talking about potential OKC packages for Murphy.

With that being said, I think he’d be a great fit with the Celtics and he has a great contract, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a target for Brad Stevens. There’s just nothing being reported about it.

Tre is interesting - the fit is basically a Sam Hauser that is more of a threat to drive/cut inside. His numbers all look great but it’s almost completely assisted open jump shots and layups/dunks. He doesn’t create for himself very often.

Thinking in terms of Brads goal to open up shots at the rim, is Murphy that much more of a threat than Hauser that it will keep opposing bigs honest worrying about a backdoor cut? Because we’ve already seen that just being a lethal catch and shoot guy from three isn’t enough to clear the paint.

And if he isn’t, then $30m seems like a lot of cap space to dedicate to that role. And watching his highlights most of his good drives to the rim seem to happen when Zion is on the court - meaning he’s taking advantage of the space that’s already there, not creating the space himself.

Idk that the juice is worth the squeeze there.

The most id do for Murphy is 2026 1st (a player we draft for them) + 2027 1st + Hauser + anyone on our bench that isn’t PP or Hugo

So another 1st or 2nd round exit? What if next year is Tatums last healthy season, that’s how we should be moving.

Welp, get ready to be disappointed.

Grant Williams, except he actually does make them both

Gerald Wallace

Mikal/OG maybe

Spanish Caruso

He’s a wing and doesn’t have a ton of guard skills. I don’t see him creating for others very well due to that. However, I think he has the ability to guard 1-5, potential to be a great shooter, can attack the close out, and is a good finisher

Maybe someone like OG?

Jordan Walsh

Scotty Pippen Jr and Jose Alvarado

K Leonard

One thing the nba coverage doesn’t seem to get, that most other sports are way better at, is that their primary job is to explain to the fans why they should be excited about what they are watching.

You watch the nfl and a talking head panel will be breaking down some tiny detail and waxing poetic about how no one else could have swiveled their hips like that to get separation or something. You turn in the NHL and the sideline reporter has all these details about where some player played junior hockey as an 8 year old and how his billet parents are their in the stands rooting for him.

You turn on ESPN and you have the inside the nba crew bragging about not watching the game, telling you the players don’t care, how the game is soft, etc etc etc etc.

Celtics/76ers was a total chess match with all the adjustments and you’d have absolutely zero idea if you just watched the broadcasts. And it bleeds into the fan sentiment. Instead of the talk being about nurse putting together a really good defensive game plan that had counters for everything Boston could try with our limited roster, it’s just “Celtics choked and don’t do anything but shoot threes” and people are turned off from watching the sport.

It’s why Brown started his Twitch, early on he talked about wanting to cut out bad faith middle men and just be able to engage with fans more directly.

Except people still get their media through distorted media.

He said it was his favourite season because he got to see his teammates grow and they all became closer because of how hard they were working this season. That got taken out of context and suddenly people think he was talking about how much he hated his teammates and wanted to be the #1 option.

He outright said “If it was up to me I could play in Boston for the next 10 years” and people are acting like he’s going to demand a trade because he’s so unhappy with the team.

Meanwhile Brad Stevens said while he was disappointed with the loss he was was incredibly proud of how they exceeded expecations and thought the team looked good when whole. The top comments on that thread were “Wow, I’ve never seen Brad so pissed” because no one actually watched the 30-minute press conference, they just read the out-of-context headlines.

He also said the team needed to improve the quality of shots they were getting inside (which generally means improving the spacing and 3PT shooting), and fans heard “we need to stop shooting so many 3s and just drive headfirst into the paint more often.”

This sub has had 3 weeks of incredibly toxic conversations about quotes that never even really happened.

I feel you.

Unfortunately, this is business. Those 2k plus comments are free publicity and we are firmly in the THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS BAD PUBLICITY era.

This is why the Jaylen-SAS situation has been so annoying. It’s obviously fake and they are collaborating to make money off “beef” that doesn’t exist.

The media includes reporters but those are not interchangeable terms: SAS is an entertainer, a pundit, a show runner. He’s not Noa Dalzell or John Karalis. Totally different jobs.

I have no advice for you. I try to ignore “media” but sometimes actual news happens as a by product of media.

I do agree that if I were JDub, I’d go full Marshawn Lynch and answer “I’m only here so I don’t get fined.”

I’d love to get either Javon Small or Scotty Pippen Jr from the Grizz.

Either Turner or Dosunmu would be great too. Dosunmu is probably at the top of my list

I don’t think it’s about the stars “getting to the rim more” as a matter of shot selection.

Brad was pretty direct - we struggled to create easy baskets because we couldn’t move embiid away from the rim, it’s been a recurring problem for a couple years, and we need to add to the team to fix it.

If it’s just shot selection that’s not something you need to add players to do. Brown and Tatum are amazing but they still need space to work with and the last two years there has been no space for them close to the basket. We need another player that the opposing rim protector needs to respect in order to force the defense into rotation and free up driving lanes.

I wonder how things looked in the playoffs for 2024 because I do t think they were great then either. 23 and 24 we had a closer to his prime Al Horford and Porzingis for the regular season. The paint wasn’t as congested

I think you are right. Tatum/Brown need to get to the paint more, but we also need to get opposing bigs out of the paint. Unfortunately, Queta doesn’t do that. Vuc/Garza did that ok enough, but I don’t think they are good enough defenders on the other end

I think you’re on the money with the spacing interpretation.

It’s less about Tatum/Brown and more about literally everyone else on the team.

Here’s the quote with some more context:

“We had a hard time generating really good looks on that first shot. So we’ve got to figure out a way to do better in that, and I think that one of the things that we’ve got to figure out is how to have more of an impact at the rim. And I think we do need to add to our team to do that. So I think that everybody plays a role in that, but at the end of that game, Embiid was standing at the rim on all those possessions, or a lot of those possessions, right? And so I thought the shots we took, with the exception of Jaylen’s top-of-the-key three and the one where he got in the middle of the lane, and then Payton’s open shot, I thought they were really well-defended. I thought we struggled to get to where we wanted to go on offense a lot of the series, but particularly in those last four games when those four perimeter defenders, who are all very good, had Embiid standing behind them.”

He talks about:

1. Adding to the team

2. The issue being teamwide

3. Our impact at the rim being limited because Embiid was able to camp the paint.

I don’t think Brad wants Tatum/Brown to just blindly charge in more, he wants to improve the supporting cast so they can attack more freely, like they have in the past.

Even that Payton Pritchard shot that Brad mentions… Brown talked about it in his twitch stream. He said he didn’t want to pass to Queta under the rim because he was afraid Embiid was going to get the chasedown block. So he kicked out to Pritchard for the 3.

If we want the Jays to attack the paint more, we need to make attacking the paint more appealing. When we first signed Horford in 2016, the team talked about how they wanted to open up driving lanes for Isaiah Thomas so he’d have an easier time inside the paint.

What do the percentages look like from 21-23 cause the shooting/spacing between 24-26 did get worse each year

Tbf a healthy Thunder could’ve brought them back to the Finals so running it back won’t be the worst move for them and paying the tax would be a good show of dedication by their owners. After all, they were mostly below the salary cap since 2020. Then after next year, they would be below the 2nd apron again when Hartenstein’s contract ends (and if Sorber pans out to be a decent starting or good backup C, they’re still in good shape).

Its interesting to whether if this helps or hurts the league. People want dynasties sure, but the trade buzz gives people something to talk about all year round