[Savage] The Boston Celtics are out on Giannis Antetokounmpo Per Bill Simmons. Zach Lowe adds he hasn’t sensed any great urgency by the Celtics to break up their team.
I think its officially time to unsubcribe from this subreddit until the end of summer lol.
Nah wait for the luke appreciation posts during the finals then do it
I am horny for Korny
Me too
Like most off seasons.
you don’t find this fantastic?
What’s the move then? We are miles away of where the contending teams are right now and their arrow is pointed up whereas this roster is gonna stay about the same if we’re lucky. Unless they think someone else of Giannis’ caliber is gonna shake free within the next year I don’t really see the path to contention.
We have plenty of tradable salaries for 27-28. They’re gonna duck the tax next season.
This is the thing. They probably won’t say this publicly but unless an insanely favorable situation presents itself I think this offseason is going to be pretty conservative. They’re not going to be going all-in to win a championship next year.
This subreddit is gonna be an absolute shithole when that happens with all the “Fuck the Celtics after blowing a 3-1 lead they do absolutely nothing in the offseason to fix things, FIRE MAZZULLA, FIRE BRAD, FIRE LUCKY”
I understand ducking the tax and the season after next being the one you go all in on. I still don’t see a move in that timeframe that’s gonna move the needle to the level of Giannis and there’s nothing that says you can’t be under the tax and still get him it’s not like he’s 40 years old. Unless you think Jokic or someone on that level might be available I don’t know what you’re holding your chips for between now and then.
I was all in on the Giannis bus. But I reject the premise that we need someone on that level to improve the team.
Obviously they don’t need someone of that caliber in order to improve that’s not the point. They need to improve to such an insane degree from where they are now in order to compete with San Antonio and OKC teams that are going to vastly improve just from natural growth of a young core. Did you watch the WCF? I don’t think it’s dramatic in the slightest to say those two teams lap this current roster. SA’s three best players are 22, 21 and 20 years old. They need someone on Giannis’ level not only to improve the roster but to compete with those juggernauts that are out of our league currently and are only gonna widen the gap if Boston’s only tweaking along the margins.
Boston doesn’t have the best player of those three teams, but it absolutely has the best top two players. I don’t think either of those teams are “juggernauts,” in the sense Boston needs to completely overhaul the team
We for sure need a big and White to return to form, but it’s not true that we need Giannis to compete. We have a TPE and picks we can use for a third option center without trading the farm for Giannis.
Yeah you do. Wemby is 22.
I also think they may be less concerned about having a deep bench. When we won we played an 8 man rotation all playoffs and walked to a championship, so if they think they can get giannis or whoever while keeping JB i think they’ll do that and sacrifice the bench.
Especially cause we have an expansion draft coming where we’re guaranteed to lose 2 members of our rotation two summers from now, so that may impact their decision making quite a bit in terms of would they rather have a deep team or a top heavy team.
So? Giannis makes $1.8m more than Jaylen. You can do both.
Duck = suck
Good grief the team won 57 games without their 1st team all nba player last year. A poorly timed shooting slump & Tatum health setback w a squeaker loss vs a peak play level week for a Sixers team that does legitimately have very good starters & size off the bench & everyone loses their minds.
All the young guys are gonna improve. Tatum will be back back & critically, actually integrated with this version of team DWhite will prob find his jumper again. Yeah maybe not inner circle contention on paper, but nobody thought that about the Spurs or Knicks after last season either. If Tatum comes back to mvp convo form, we get another peak year from Jaylen (who lest yall forget has meaningfully improved his game every single year & is relentless in his work ethic), who knows. Certainly don’t think anybody else in the East is prohibitive at all
It wasn’t a shooting slump. Our offense couldn’t create good looks in the half court, which has been the same issue for about 8 years besides the title year. We desperately need another player at literally any position who can put pressure on the defense and force rotations. Otherwise we end up taking a bunch of contested end of shot clock threes like we did this year instead of in rhythm jumpers or good paint looks.
Tracking data said otherwise- we generated good looks & just couldn’t hit.
If there is a legit critique to throw at the game plan & personnel it is that Vuc was a disaster (Simons would’ve been enormously helpful that series), Neemy is as yet too raw to handle Embiid, we had no depth at the bigs position. We also completely abandoned the free flowing, pass & motion heavy style that had been really effective all year, & mostly kept the young energy guys glued to the bench. My optimism going in was largely that we had a bunch of energy guy defensive dawgs on the bench to throw at guys like Maxey/Edgecombe/George & then those guys barely played.
Our off ball actions & ball movement went to shit but we were great at it all year
Brad said otherwise.
Brad said we needed more pressure at the rim & to get better shots which I think aligns totally with what I’m saying- we abandoned the ball movement & cutting/motion on offense, & played a very stagnant style. I don’t disagree w Stevens.
That doesn’t mean tho that the 3s did not have good expected efficiency/shot quality. Cs shot at 30% or below from 3 in all 4 losses. ANY team, regardless of 3 volume, that shoots <30% from 3, is going to have a very hard time winning (I ran the numbers & league wide over the last 2 seasons you got about a 20% chance to win in reg season & ~13% in the playoffs, irrespective of volume)
Likewise, nobody wants to credit Philly for a great series. They got 3 games of top tier Embiid, Maxey & PG shot 50% from 3 for the series. They’re not a bad team! With that version of PG they’ve got 4⁄5 top tier starters & a high level 3&D role player in Oubre (who also happens to be on the Ish Smith Roles-Players-Who-Kill-The-Celtics All Stars squad). They had quality size coming of the bench in Bona & Drummond.
Whether they got spanked in the next round is immaterial- I watched the games & they played great vs us.
I’m not saying I don’t want to see the Cs improve. Obv we need depth at the 5. I would’ve liked to have kept Simons, but I get the cap math. DWhite needs to find his shot. But I don’t think we’re as far out of it as people think.
He quite literally said that we haven’t been able to generate good looks dating back to the Magic series.
We need more than just depth. We need a #2 that knows his role and isn’t a dumbass capable of having more TOs than assists, and thinks it’s a good idea to hijack the offense and go against three set defenders by himself.
We are very far from Spurs, OKC and even the Knicks at this point
The Jaylen slander is fucking outrageous
Miss me with that shit
Somehow everyone else in the league & all the national analysts & all the non “Celtic fans” know Jaylen is an absolutely elite 2 way player yet our own mushbrained Sportshub-pilled babydick “fans” don’t
Just watch we’re keeping JB so strap in for another 6 years of him goofy
What slander? Did he not have more TOs than assists this year in the playoffs? Did he not play like shit in games 5 and 6? Did he not play like shit against the Knicks last year? Did he not play like shit against Miami in 2023? Did he not almost cost us the Sixers series in 2023?
Ah yes, the great analysts like Stephen A Smith, Kendrick Perkins, and a bunch of other idiots.
How exactly is he elite two way when his offball defense is pathetic?
We are not extending him for 70M/year. Try not to cry too much when he gets traded.
“tracking data” is a useful but flawed metric. A lot of shots that may look good on a spreadsheet don’t capture the reality of the flow of the game. Our ball/player movement sucked per usual. We end up with guys taking quasi-contested shots that other team want them taking, or they’re “sped up” shots where if you look at the layout of the court the guy is “open” in a vacuum but it’s not a comfortable shot in the flow of the offense, it’s a rushed looked because our guys are fighting for their lives to even get open and then it’s an uncomfortable look. It’s the same story basically every year. Our team has zero great play-makers who constantly warp/bend the other team’s defense and we struggle to get good looks.
I generally agree- but really, that person can be Tatum if he commits to it and stops the excessive 3s. He should be spending the summer working on finishing
I mean Brown and Tatum are basically finished products at this point. Unless either/both of them can develop an awesome post game (which they should so we can run offense out of the post in the playoffs when the game slows down) I just don’t really ever see them becoming “great finishers.” Neither has a strong left hand or are so impactful with the ball they can constantly get all the way to the rim.
How important are young guys improving in the regular season when Joe decides to completely change the way the team plays and his rotations and doesn’t play them!?
Well I agree that that was a huge mistake on Joe’s part & I’m not sure why he did it. I think he was hoping that Vuc would give him 5-out offense & he wanted to keep shooters on the floor.
I dunno
Maybe the best option is to get younger. I’m guessing it’s hard to find good deals for Brown, though. As good as he is, his salary makes him almost impossible to trade.
Idk man he was all nba second team and led the Celtics to the second seed in a good east. They had arguably the most unfavorable matchup they could in the Sixers—good perimeter defender in PG13 and Embiid for whom we had no answer.
He’s really good.
Not even Brad believes the 2nd seed meant anything lol
We’re going to waste a year of Tatum’s prime to avoid the tax and go for it again in 2028.
The move is to watch other teams tripping over themselves to do things like trade for Harden or Zach Levine.
Patience , there is no real 1 trade = we are champs for this year. OKC is stacked, SAS is stacked the Knicks have somehow figured out how to hide Brunson on defense.
Haven’t heard Walker Kessler’s name thrown around in a while. Whatever happened to that? I know Utah might be competing soon and it would make more sense for them to sign and keep him, but we were seemingly targeting him for a while there
utahs not letting him go unless he gets offered an insane amount of money
Makes sense
Utah looks like they’re finally going to try this upcoming season.
Keyonte, Ace, JJJ, Filipowski, Markannen, and likely Dybantsa is a solid squad. Probably too young to compete for a title, but playoffs should be in play. They’ll probably want to keep Kessler since good centers are hard to come by nowadays.
So far the rumors i’ve heard from sources that have a pretty decent hit rate are a KP return, possible rob return, jamal murray, trey murphy, and a giannis 3 team deal with doesn’t include JB
I don’t see it that way. Our young players will get better. DWhite will get out of his shooting slump. Pritchard will be more consistent coming off the bench. Tatum will settle back into his place on the roster, and Brown gained a lot of valuable experience last season.
We are going to be fine.
This is such bullshit lol
just say u don’t know ball
We have a total of one promising young player in Hugo. Walsh has been around forever and barely showed anything. Baylor is 26, he isn’t young.
Not a slump when it happened for an entire season. Also, D White will only get worse as he ages.
Pritchard has never been consistent against good teams in the playoffs.
Jaylen is egotistical and doesn’t accept that he’s #2. He always does extremely dumb shit in the playoffs outside of 2024.
You don’t know ball.
You are evaluating the team based on one series where they had a 3-2 lead and their best player, who was 5 weeks out from what is normally an injury he wouldn’t have returned from this year, missed game 6 and 7. They had some first time playoff guys fall off, but it was good experience for them in a season where they were not supposed to make the playoffs. Their supporting cast is young or firmly in their primes. Their GM turned a .500 club into a finals team that eventually won the title in just one off season (in 2021). This team has arguably more veteran talent and more younger assets. The move is to not panic and improve the roster increntally. Brad has shown the ability to bring in better players, and Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard/Queta/Hauser are all solid championship 1-8. Scheierman and Hugo can get there with some incremental improvement.
The move is, they aren’t really that serious about doing anything to be legit contenders. They are more concerned about ducking the tax again, and kicking the can another year.
Some of us have been saying that.
There is this weird assumption in this sub that punting another year will be good and that ownership will then spend. Do we know that?
I think it’s more likely this operation goes the way of most PE owner purchases. They are trying to fine tune spending the least amount of money, and being as competitive as possible, while silently acknowledging the team likely will never be a true contender.
No, we are not miles away.
JB isn’t old man. Even if we have to ride it out one more year and can make moves after that you take it.
Miles Turner would be perfect imo.
We have the trade exemption if bucks want off that contract.
I just hope whatever ends up happening, that we get some sort of scoring help at the rim. The Sixers series exposed that the Boston Three Party game plan isn’t something that’s going to work in the playoffs.
It needs tweaking for sure, but if you’re planning on beating Wemby it might be one of the few viable strategies.
Why not just trade for Wemby? That would solve a lot of problems
How about a 3 way trade? E.g., we ship out JB + DW + Pritchard + Queta, but get back Wemby and Jokic? It would help keep Wemby and Jokic healthy with one being a backup center.
I think you’re onto something 😂😂😂
It’s been our weakness for years. We don’t drive the hoop enough, big part of our 3rd quarter curse giving up leads a few years ago.
3 party with no good shooting was something to watch this year
The thing is are Celtics willing to offer JB the super max extension? If you don’t trade JB for Giannis, then that means you keep JB and offer him the extension. Since he is eligible beginning July. Otherwise, you are not gonna keep JB while not offering him the extension. That will look odd.
It is not impossible we continue to contend with JT and JB and white, but there are two things you need
JB comfortable being a number two, he can continue to improve on playmaking but he has to accept he will probably never be the first option here
Need strong role players to surround JT and JB, significantly better than what we have right now A WCJ or Myles Turner level center is a must but that alone is not enough
He’s already on the Supermax through 2029…they have at least 2 seasons to figure it out.
Not really, he’s going to expect to get an extension when he’s eligible and will consider it a slight if they don’t offer him one right away. I mean pretty much all star players expect to be extended when they are available to be extended.
That then is gonna commit us to this core then thru the end of the decade is my guess. I think they can build people around them. The reality is there is no trade that gives up JB yet makes this team better, because we have to give up other things even to get someone like Giannis.
Fair enough, but there is the human element. They overextended to max out JB and have, generally, done right by him. Brad and his relationship can’t be discounted in how willing he is to wait a year more than maybe he has to.
Yea honestly it really comes down to the “if we extend him we’re gonna keep him thru his prime”. Which may make some people happy and make some people mad.
I think the reality is that we need to do like we did in 2024 and surround them with the right talent.
also “task 1” is already done, it’s been done. he loves playing with JT and they work together.
do they though?
yes. they are the most successful duo in the league over the past 10 years.
I think people are underestimating how far a decent starting center will go towards making us better. The collapse vs Philly should’ve never happened, but it wouldn’t have if we had another playoff caliber center along with Queta. I also am hoping Queta will take that series as a playoff learning experience, which most players need to have. Adding a playoff rotation center might not make us a tier 1 contender next season, but that along with further improvements from a number of guys on the roster (including hopefully Tatum, who was not his full self in the playoffs) I think will make us a very solid team.
Looking at this year’s playoff contenders - the likely champs and the top of our own conference - and still thinking we can ride out this roster towards contention is quite the delusional take.
We absolutely need a good center.
OTOH longer term it would be great to stay below the tax threshold.
Brad knows what’s best and I’m sure he’ll do a good job.
It’s quite tough to become a real contender while staying under the tax, but I agree that would be ideal. For example if we went and got Myles Turner we’d get most of the way toward offsetting his salary by letting Vuc walk, but we’d probably still need to trade Hauser to actually get under the tax.
I think Turner fits in our TPE as well, but if the goal is to get under the tax then yeah we’d need to shed some salary as well.
This is the Celtics fans, they think their G league center that no one wanted is a fucking star, they think their second rounders and g leaguers are stars, they don’t credit coaching for them, all these players go to other teams and they either play no minutes or get cut, this fan base is delusional about the supporting cast and just want to blame the coach and JB for a roster everyone knew was shit and over achieved
it’s much more common take for celtics fans to think their two top 15 players are frauds, and to compete they need to blow up the team. as evidenced by this entire off season.
Nah it’s both.
Queta can’t keep carrying bums like Tatum and Brown, he needs an actual wing.
Myles Turner level? Lets aim higher.
Turner into the TPE as part of a Giannis trade to somewhere else is my most likely scenario. I think that’s the reality behind us being dragged into the talk about him. It would cost Hauser but that’s a price we’ll need to pay for something this summer anyway
TPEs have to be their own thing. They cannot be part of a trade.
They would be their own thing. You’d take Turner into the TPE as a single trade. Hauser would go out to the same team as Giannis as part of a separate trade. At least from the Cs perspective. Others teams will structure it as they need to
There’s no way Brad wants that awful contract.
Also I don’t believe a thing Bill says about this. He has no sources. He has the fired Bucks coach. Our FO also doesn’t leak anything.
More likely to me is the Giannis JB Portland three teamer and then you trade Sam to free up the MLE fully while staying under the tax.
It’s less awful in a years time when we can happily go back into the tax aprons, either as a key player or trade ballast. We need to convert that TPE into a player before it expires or we’re boned. Might even get paid a 1st to take on his contract if Brad is savvy.
Personally I’ve never bought the GA to Boston rumours. If I’m Portland you may as well just get Giannis, why take the inferior Brown? People say Brown and 2 firsts will get us Giannis via a third team, I don’t see any other team seeing that as viable. Doesn’t really matter what Bill does or doesn’t know, when people believe Giannis is coming here, I’ll believe his take more than that
Giannis can functionally demand where he wants to go because he only has one year left. He wants to be on the east coast for a contender and he really respects the Celtics and Joe. That’s why Portland wouldn’t trade for him. Jaylen has 3 years left. He can’t make any demands.
Also TPEs almost never get used. It also hard caps us I believe. I don’t think it gets used. You can get similar impact to Myles for much cheaper. Those kinds of center deals are rarely worth it.
Hard caps us at the first apron. Also the only way we ever seriously get a contract we could trade in the future for a superstar that isn’t one of the Jays. It’s not so much about his quality as what his contract can do for us.
We will definitely be using the TPE to bring someone in. I’m we sure of that as I was that Simons was never staying on the roster. It’s one of our big weapons that can relieve a team of a big contract for little in return.
Imagine in two years a guy like Bam becomes available in trade. We need to be in a place where a) we aren’t gutting the supporting cast to match salary and b) we can build a package not involving the Jays. Not using the TPE makes it much harder to build those salaries. We’d need to either resign PP to a big deal or somehow manage to get several MLE guys who’d be happy to be shipped out in later years. And then you wouldn’t have those MLE players filling out the rotation.
Pat Riley is never trading with us lol. Ever.
I do think it’s why a Trey Murphy/DeJounte trade is possible. You turn one big contract into two medium sized ones.
They traded Simons to get under the tax and to get a center for a playoff run. Mostly the tax thing. I just doubt it gets used. They almost never do.
Who is WCJ.
JB isn’t enough for a 2 considering how flawed his game is.
Myles Turner fucking sucks
They don’t need to extend JB. He’s under contract for 3 more years.
Need to dump white
Honestly Boston should trade White and bring in a good center and a decent point guard in return.
Feels unlike Brad to sell low on White. Plus we’re probably not getting that return unless we also attach draft capital. Who’s a good center that you think is realistic in a White trade?
I’ve been saying it for a while ima keep saying it, all the Giannis smoke is so we can swoop in and grab Myles Turner and absorb him into the Anfernee TPE. At most I think Hauser is getting shipped out. maybe Garza
I love this Myles Turner idea! Best I’ve seen of this offseason especially with the bucks looking to rebuild but what’s Turner contract like? Can we absorb it without second apron penalties? Also would you start Turner over Queta or run two big lineups and let JB and JT over power these small guard lineups?
Wendell Carter Jr
I doubt he’d be available. Orlando extended him for the next three seasons on a reasonable contract, plus they’re trying to compete and don’t have anyone else who could slide into his starting spot
Probably the best idea at this point
Like who?
Giannis-Tatum would be hands down the best duo in the league. If Giannis wants to play for the C’s, we should be all for it.
Okay yall seriously have to stop taking Bill Simmons as a source. Quite literally everything he states when it comes to team moves is always speculation or conjecture. It’s not “I’ve heard from around the league x” or “I was told by an insider y” it’s always “I think this z is going to happen” or “I think z will not happen” “this team I think will look into this player”. He’s not a source. He’s *just speculating*
If you don’t realize Bill has insider feelers on Celtics stuff you haven’t been paying attention
He absolutely does not and has never telegraphed any of their moves.
You can tell who doesnt watch any other team’s games by how they comment here.
Anyone actually watching the league around us knows this team is not a true contender even with whatever scrounged up center this fanbase thinks is gonna save us with a MLE or TPE.
I trust Brad Stevens to make the right call more than anyone else in this subreddit. Obviously the roster needs changes but I think there is a world where Tatum and Brown win another title together
Unfortunately I don’t see how we could get the absolute perfect complementary players again in the apron era.
They don’t have to be perfect. We don’t need a team as good as the 2024 Celtics to win with the Jays, and even that team missed $30M of salary in KP.
Stress free to just believe in Stevens.
Per me the Boston Celtics are in on Giannis Antetokounmpo.
See how easy it is to just make shit up?
If you don’t think Bill Simmons has Celtics sources you’re out of your fucking mind.
He (accidentally) broke the Moss trade for Pats and he’s way more plugged into the Celtics.
Obviously Bill saying something carries more weight than a random Twitter account, but also the Moss trade was 20 years ago. Sources then are likely not sources now.
I know what you’re saying but Simmons has only gotten more pull over the last 20 years, not less. No reason to think he would be less plugged in now when he’s making $250 million dollar deals with Spotify compared to when he was just writing columns for Page 2.
It actually makes a lot of sense to me that a local beat reporter would have an easier time getting a scoop like this than one of the biggest names in sports media. He might know more people now but might not necessarily have the same relationships with them and they could be more guarded.
He was never a beat reporter and never broke news, hence the Moss report being an accident, he thought he was sending a DM after someone from the org texted him.
But his opinions like this are absolutely formed by his association with the organization. He just doesn’t name names or try to be the first to a story.
If Bill says something with this much confidence, someone in the organisation that he trusts enough not to make him look like a fool gave him the scoop
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he’s lying per se. All I was saying is that a Randy Moss scoop doesn’t mean much to me in 2026 and that the bigger your reputation is the more people are aware of who they’re telling things to.
The Randy Moss thing was just an example because he isn’t a beat reporter trying to break news. So we only have that as an example because he screwed up and let us all know how plugged in he actually is.
You realize the example was 20 years old tho?
Yes, of course but again I don’t know what we are arguing.
Do you think bill simmons has less connections now than 20 years ago? Cause I disagree. You don’t have to say I’m right, lol. And there’s plenty of room for me to be wrong. But I just don’t think he is less plugged in in 2026 than he was in 2010.
Simmons saying Boston is out on Giannis tracks with what all the reputable sources are saying, but I don’t think we’ve seen any evidence of him being tuned in with the team.
He’ll randomly give really good info, but it’s league-wide and rarely Boston-related.
He’s known for being a Celtics fan, but the team has publicly kept him at arms reach for years.
Coping
guy who invented the nonsense now saying there is no nonsense
Good!
Not good
I dig it, if this is true. I think anyone wanting to break up JT and JB is panicking. This is the current biology of the NBA. You go over the cap and have a small window to get a ring, then you have to bust up the team to avoid the huge penalties. The team sits in purgatory for a couple of years, then the penalties go away, and you sellout again. My thinking, is that it’s our best interest to use the purgatory years to develop our young guys and build some their trade value.
We are never replicating 2024 again. Which means we absolutely need to trade Jaylen for a player who doesn’t commit more turnovers than he gets assists.
I trust Brad to make the right call, if he keeps the Jays together then I trust him. I think it’s too early to say the window is closed with Tatum hopefully returning to full strength and whatever we decide to do in the offseason.
I don’t anymore. Jaylen is a cancer to this team. We lost to Miami, Knicks and now Philly because he’s a dipshit who cannot keep his ego in check and refuses to understand his role. A guy who has more TOs than assists doesn’t deserve the supermax
I’d argue outside of that Miami series Mazzulla’s coaching was the issue. Last year, Joe refused to bench KP. Meanwhile JB was gutting out that series basically on one leg. This year wasn’t great but again I’d argue coaching and everyone outside of Tatum and Brown completely disappearing until Game 7 and being exposed as not good enough
Joe is certainly not blameless. But you can’t win when your 2nd best, supermax player, is a dumb fuck who has more TOs than assists and disappears when you need him most.
Brown himself disappeared in G5 and G6. A G7 doesn’t even happen if that bum doesn’t completely ruins the team in G5 and G6
He had 364 assists and 259 TOs last season. This is two clicks to look up.
In his playoffs career, he’s had 369 assists to 348 TOs. You think that’s a good thing? lol
He fucking sucks
The fans would hate it and say shit like “we’re wasting another year” but the reality is that Tatum is NOT 100%, he’s going to need some time to get good again. The young guys have promise and we need to keep developing them. I’m not expecting any big swings, they worked hard to duck the tax this last year why would the go back over and lose the ability to drop the repeater tax.
It’s not panicking. It’s selling high on Jaylen because he’s not worth the $73M contract extension that he’s expecting this summer when he’ll be 33 and 34 years old. Brad gives him that and it single-handedly handicaps the team for the future. Look at how the Knicks are able to assemble their roster, Brunson took a massive pay cut to prolong their contention window and they aren’t even over the 2nd apron.
Not interested in going into a repeat of last year except Pp is playing for a contract white is older, and brown will have to adapt to not being the first option again while streaming regularly
I never thought trading a younger healthier player for giannis was the answer anyway.
I’m ok with another 5+ years of the Jays but they definitely need more help. The one year we went all in we dominated. Let’s see if Brad is even given the opportunity by management
Fucking duh
The idea that the Celtics front office has been seriously pursuing a Giannis trade is wholly imagined – first by the press, and then by the fans.
Im not saying it will happen but Brad has always worked in silence
Whatever Brad, Zarren and the office decide, I support it. They’re going to keep this team competitive and they’re going to do their due diligence to make the deals that are best for the team.
Thank christ
Hopefully they trade white and hauser and add a real big.
They will not trade White. This roster has two issues: lacking a top 10 big and no depth at the guard positions. So let’s get rid of our all-defensive guard and have…PP and Roy Harper Jr.?
Point tatum. Not like Whites a POA defender anyways.
Yes
how is the team supposed to improve then?
By trading a wing, which they have a surplus of. I am so over the knee-jerk reactions to White’s end of season stretch. He was gassed, and even then he was still amazing defensively. Besides, they do not have guards. If they build up that depth, sure, so long as they get proper value back for White.
End of season stretch? He couldn’t shoot the entire year.
You think this team that got embarrassed in the first round is just going to trade Hauser/Walsh and thats enough to beat the Knicks/Spurs/Thunder?
Where did I say that?
DWhite shot horrifically all season, not just the end. He was not amazing defensively in the playoffs lmao he was letting a rookie (Edgecombe) have his way & rarely even defended Maxey. He is nowhere near the untouchable player that you’re describing.
“A real big” like Giannis?
I’ve been saying that for weeks and people kept getting angry at me. It makes no sense to break up the team. It’s foolish and reactionary. They did all that work blowing up the super team to keep the jays. They’re not blowing it all up cuz Tatum missed 95% of the season coming off injury. You’re already adding a more healthy Jayson Tatum from last year. Trading Jaylen is dumb.
The 2018-19 Celtics basically formed Brad Stevens the GM’s philosophy: we only want sacrificial players who know their pecking order on the team. Nothing about Giannis fits the bill of what Brad has pursued/gotten in the past & I don’t think a player who relies mostly on athleticism clearly exiting his prime yet wanting one last super max extension (& you gotta pay his brothers too) is our best option. Just b/c he’s the biggest name on the market doesn’t mean he’d be a good fit/worth the cost.
So, Jaylen is out then?
Yes, the (should’ve been) 1st Team All-NBA, ECMVP + FMVP player does not know his place on the team. Am I saying what you’re looking for now??
Brown has made a lot of sacrifices over the course of his career.
People were talking about how much he improved this season becoming a 29ppg All-NBA player who led a +50 win team… but he was a 27ppg All-NBA player in 2022-23.
When we brought in guys like Holiday and Porzingis the team got together and talked about needing to make sacrifices so everyone could co-exist. Without a single complaint, Brown became a 22-23ppg scorer and sacrificed personal accolades to help the team win.
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Not surprised, celtics will probably make small moves like a cheap big because they want to stay under the luxury tax.
We also still don’t know how much this new ownership group wants to spend.
Private equity group. They’ll cut spending forever.
This owner is no different than the last owners, what do you think they all did for a living? Chisholm is a PE guy, but so was Wic and Pags and all the Bain money in the team.
The 12.5% that Six Street owns isn’t enough to have literally any say in how the team is being run.
lowe saying something is new although i wouldnt exactly call him a scoop guy, this is the same thing from Bill though hes said from the beginning that Giannis might have interest but the Celtics dont.
I trust Brad, but if these stand pat rumors are all true (it doesn’t have to be Giannis but we need to be aggressive) we are actually cooked.
I think it has to be considered that new ownership is the basketball version of John Henry.
I don’t think Bill knows a fucking thing about what our FO will do.
Whatever package they want I am all set. I already k ow how this plays out
I just find it funny everyone was saying it was a gap year with no expectations before the playoffs and it was a huge achievement to even make the second seed but now it’s huge panic time and need to make huge changes ???
This is where I’m at, too.
thank fucking god
So let’s say this team was as is and Tatum played for Charlotte. Now Tatum is UFA and wants to go to Boston. Do you guys still try to make crazy trades or go “Wait a minute we were a top 3 seed last year” we would kill with Tatum on our team…. Stop being so eager to make major changes lol
Trade JB for Amen and Sengun
Makes sense, probably gonna wait one more year for the tax penalties to reset. I imagine 2027-28 Brad does something crazy and the team goes all in on one last run with this core. Hopefully who he gets is healther than KP and younger than Jrue/Al so we can get at least 3-4 years of actual title contention.
I hope in the meantime we at least get a proper starter caliber center. Queta and Luka seem like nice guys and all, but they’re clearly not playoff level centers. They couldn’t even handle a broken down Embiid.
Maybe Duren killed his value and we can rebuild it for cheap. Or I saw someone on here say J Will (the other one) from OKC could be a younger Al replacement (8m/yr) if they’re already worrying about their cap space.
Maybe it can be another situation like when we got Al Horford. Al was on his last year of his contract with the Hawks and people were coming up with a bunch of trade scenarios to get him. Danny just waited a year and signed Al without giving up any assets. How bad does Giannis want to be a Celtic?
Bill was the only one pushing the narrative anyway and now he’s walked it back. Well, him and Chad Finn.
Personally, I just think Boston writers are bored as fuck because the Jays have usually kept them employed through at least the Eastern Conference Finals.
You know who were usually bored this time of the season? Bucks beatwriters. Outside of 2021, the Jays era in Boston has been far more successful than the Giannis era in Milwaukee.
Bill does not know anything and has no sources in our FO. He’s lived in Los Angeles for over 20 years. He’s just speculating. The only source he does have is the recently fired Bucks coach, who would have no insider knowledge.
Good. Next up.
Bad contracts…that’s the “business” of the NBA
You all missed one of the main points Bill brought up. I believe he is right about it and the Celtics do not want to hamstring themselves with 2 x 70M contracts on the books. The CBA fucked up and eventually all teams will be fucked by it. They fucked all the middle guys, hm kinda like life. No player is ever taking less money and I for one do not want JB on another max contract unless they’re prepared to trade him for a lot.
I’m now 5% more sure it’ll happen now lol
Later this week there will be another story stating the complete opposite. I hate the offseason lol. Everything is pure speculation
How do they decide when someone gets to start an “actually the [made up] rumors aren’t real” cycle? Is there any honor among thieves where they say “well, Giannis to the Celtics is still getting some clicks– I’m going to stay on that so we can all dine on it” or is it every man for himself?
Good, Giannis and breaking up the J’s isn’t the answer. Give me a veteran rim protector to split time with Queta, a veteran off the bench, and another year of Hugo development… and pray they are healthy for the playoffs.
Get him and keep the Js. It can be done. Just find someone to dribble the ball up and pass it.
i can’t wait for day 1 of next season. this sub is insufferable. giannis isn’t the answer, and Brad knows that
I’d assume they’d look to add via the TPE and MLE while offsetting salary by trading White + Hauser or just Hauser.
Not a terrible plan, and depending on who you add they can make a real impact. Makes sense why they would go after Trey Murphy (fits into the TPE) to add a scoring punch and keep the Jays together.
RIP
Bill is playing coy. If you watch his face right before this clip he gets the biggest smile on his face when Lowe brings up Boston. He thinks there’s something going on.
Where is the crowd that was beating their chest about Trading JB a no brainer and everyone else dumb, because those guys need to be muted for a year, they do not watch ball and don’t know shit but being annoying
No one knows what the Celtics will do except Brad and even then he may not know yet. Bill Simmons may not want anything to happen so he is spewing this out.
What do these ESPN rejects know?
White+Hauser for Sabonis, who says no?
He’s 32 and about to come off a 36 game season, why the hell would we trade away our future for someone who as as much risk as JB?
Because he’s WAY better at playing basketball?
Watching that OKC series and they prob have to lose a player or two, I really think Cason Wallace would be perfect for us
What does Cs offer that OKC can’t beat?
OKC has boatload of picks + Chet for Giannis.
Another situation, Knicks are already in the finals and can offer some good value for Gianni’s and he likes NY as per the rumors.
Trade for Peyton Watson or Trey Murphy. Bring Porzingis back on a cheap deal. Run that ish back with the Jay’s one more time and see what happens.
Well that sticks a fork in the next decade or so of Celtics basketball