ESPN does a great game breakdown analysis of SGA foul hunting in WCF Game 6 and contrasts it to Spurs guards playing through contact
“Every play is a negotiation with the refs” is a nice way to sum it up.
Yeah, I totally stealing that.
I feel like the last couple weeks have been people trying to put this sentiment into numbers. They track the amount of times that thunder players fall, or free throws versus shot attempts, or foul differential, or some other shit.
The problem is that they play to the refs, and they play to the whistle more than they play to the basket. I’ve never seen a team win a championship doing that, and the fact that the thunder are still the favorites to do so this late in the conference finals is bad for the game.
Yeah we need to stop making the numbers argument. I don’t care if he gets more free throws or not. I care that it’s obvious what he and the whole team are trying to do every single possession.
It’s a great example of eye test vs reading box scores. Anyone who watches can see what is pointed out above- these guys are exaggerating contact or pretending to be hit by fictional contact. It may not always result in more FTAs on paper there’s no reason to consistently fall down THIS much.
It’s straight up poor sportsmanship. Everyone has played against this kid in school, the one who calls everything a foul, and hated them.
I bet his fans are those kids.
I mean the least partial number measurement would be how many times they’re getting up off the ground vs the other team. Negates the variable of the referee.
Playing them in round 1 was so frustrating because it genuinely didn’t even feel like their players were that much better than ours (apart from SGA obviously), but they literally controlled the entire pace and flow of the game by always playing to the refs. It feels like an entirely different sport is being played.
It’s so funny how fans of every single team that plays OKC in the playoffs comes to this exact same conclusion independently, but it’s somehow seen as “conspiracy” to a lot of people.
It’s only “casuals on social media that don’t even watch games” when literally every fanbase that watches when their team plays against OKC can see what is happening very clearly.
The last and final act of fandom is to ignore your own eyes and ears type of beat.
Anyone with passing knowledge or experience playing basketball knows exactly what they’re doing.
If SGA did this shit in a call-your-own-foul pickup game, he’d be getting closelined and not welcomed back. Dude is effectively calling a foul every single shot he takes and it’s just not the spirit of the game.
This is the whole crux of the issue. So many of the fouls are those… Yeah maybe technically that’s a foul but it is so soft and it ruins the game to call it that soft. I’ve always maintained that if the offense creates the contact (which SGA does all the time) there should be a no-call or an offensive foul. You create the contact you deal with the consequences.
Correct, especially with how brazen his iniation of contact has gotten. Dude will have a full off-ball arm extended into the chest of a defender sometimes.
OMG I would love to see him go play a pick up game somewhere and get yelled at for being a little bitch.
It’s only a conspiracy to OKC fans.
I don’t blame them. What they gonna do, not be fans of their team?
The fans aren’t the ones on the court flopping. They’re just enjoying the success and that’s fine.
If the team wasn’t doing that and still winning the fans would be equally excited. Fans gonna fan.
Okc fans have literally accused 29 fanbases of “not actually watching the games” here, and meant it.
Apparently no one in rnba actually likes basketball.
Or people make the “both sides foul-bait” argument
The most shocking one ever was when Wallace was holding hands with McConnell right in front of the FUCKING ref!
I never even seen no shit like that in the 90’s and 2000’s! Why even bother playing a basketball game if you can completely grab a players offhand while their dribbling at 1⁄2 court!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3DkNHvKOm28
the clip you posted and the first one in this short: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DHqJv25rq_0
are the two most enduring memories I have of the reffing in the finals last year. Just absolutely egregious fouls that the refs were staring directly at and ignored
It’s such ugly basketball. Incredibly aggressive defense matched with an offense that revolves entirely around getting fraudulent whistles. Just the worst.
Even on defense they’re playing for the whistles. Throwing themselves to the ground and flailing anytime someone sets a screen.
the way dort just flies every time someone tries to set a screen is so obnoxious
And as you can see from both times he does it in the video, he also uses it as an excuse to initiate contact with the ball handler that would otherwise be a blocking foul. The first time he literally trips him and the second time he goes straight into his chest and prevents him from turning the corner.
Caruso sets it up by crashing into players at midcourt repeatedly, then when the other team approaches with the same force, Caruso’s legs turn to jelly and he falls down
yeah this is a real problem they push, pull, hold and play real hard defence then halfway through the possession it turns into flop city
I mean, the Thunder won a championship last year playing to the whistle rather than the basket. So they’ve already won one. I had hoped that it wouldn’t work out for them because it’s miserable to watch but they won and now they’re trying to run it back.
True, of course, and there isn’t an asterisk for them like there isn’t for any Finals winning team so you can ignore everything I’m gonna say.
However, within the scope of this specific argument, I think it is important to note they got by Denver and Indiana through some fluke injuries. Would they have won those game 7s without them? Maybe, hell, even probably but still. Injuries always happen but it’s rare for any Finals winning team to get lucky and have those critical pieces injured on the other team for 2 series that went 7 games.
Teams who play with the most force (driving hard, finishing through contact and not flailing/falling down, aggressiveness on D, pursuing rebounds, etc.) usually get better whistles or at least equal whistles so when force is equal, the Thunder usually don’t win given that they foul hunt more often and complain rather than trying to finish, though they are always excessively aggressive on defense ala Dort, Caruso, Hartenstein, etc. This means if you add in a healthy Aaron Gordon and/or Haliburton, two players who excel in that, those teams have a much better chance to match/exceed that force and thus win closely or even comfortably.
Edit: Can’t believe I forgot the shoulder sprain for Murray too in that DEN series.
I just want to add that MPJ was also injured in that Denver series along with AG. He tried to play through it the best he could, but it was still a grade 2 shoulder sprain that would usually have sidelined him for 4-6 weeks.
There’s no guarantee Denver or Indiana would have beaten OKC last year. But also no guarantee that they wouldn’t have, either, had it not been for key injuries.
I haven’t watched a second since the wolves fell apart.
Injuries suck, but the league picking a team to win before the series starts is worse.
I wouldn’t have watched any either had the spurs lost but would’ve rooted the fuck out of you guys to pull It off
Maybe in the long run it’s bad for the league, but I figure in the short run, the league finds it better to have/be a villain that people will hate watch. They’re selling sports entertainment.
The villain arc is so fucking awful. Give me bad blood between two teams any day over this bullshit they got now.
definitely. Its not even the flopping on SGA’s part fully, it just seems like its coached into the team at this point
McCain never did this shit on the sixers or in college. He’s only been on the thunder for a few months and he’s doing this shit.
They turned hartenstein to the dark side as well, he never used to do this stuff
Hartenstein twirling his finger at almost every single whistle makes him so fucking annoying. Guy can’t believe he can do anything wrong on this team.
That play where he backs his ass up and jumps into push up position for a call is the most “we practice this” flop I can remember.
Exactly!
I know most of these WCF games aren’t close. But it does seem like you can predict who will win from how the officiating is going.
Last night OKC was not getting their whistles. And they totally collapsed.
OKC got dog walked and threw in the towel. SGA still didn’t want to commit to his shot selections and just about everyone else also had a trash game. No heart at all whilst the Spurs had energy and discipline that the more experienced team should’ve had. I’ve never seen a championship team look so fraudulent.
At this point refs just need to ignore falling down. It is no longer signal at this point. It is just noise. And if OKC players complain when they legitimately get knocked down and it isn’t called, the refs can just say “how can I tell the difference since you fall on every damn play.”
Zarba’s crew has been ignoring it all playoffs. The games he refs are the most exciting physical basketball I’ve seen in a long time.
It’s 1000% organizational. This is the coach who invented the permanent sub to try and exploit a tiny loophole. And the GM has gone to extreme lengths to acquire infinite draft picks. Going to the extreme in gaming the system is a core philosophy of the entire organization, from the top down.
And to be clear - it works. It’s all working. They’ve been an absolutely dominant team, it just makes for shitty basketball to watch, and people end up hate watching.
congrats OKC you’ve sucked all the fun out of watching the NBA
I mean this is basically the world in a nutshell. Through data and gaming systems, we’ve basically sucked the fun out of LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
It’s insane to me that if they make the Finals, almost everyone will be rooting for the New York Knicks over the small market OKC Thunder. I mean, I’m not gonna complain but something like this hasn’t happened since Eli went up against the Patriots (and Boston is not a small market).
It definitely is, and it got them a ring so why wouldn’t they do it? It’s on the league to drive change at this point.
Someone commented along the lines like “Jordan Bryant James Duncan Shaq Steph all were fun to watch. Sga is not fun. It’s not exciting basketball “
People kind of sleep on prime Shaq these days imo and go straight to Jordan which to me is a mistake. I remember in the 2000 finals when the Pacers “held” him to like 30 points and 20 rebounds one game, and every Pacers player was super proud of that result. He was such a goddamned monster it was insane.
Yes! That’s why it feels so miserable watching them play. This was a great summary.
Refs need to treat flopping as a travel on offense and make it a turnover or none call it unless it’s a clear shooting foul. I’m all for increasing the number of fouls for the bonus as well. This behavior needs to stop being rewarded and a negotiated deal.
For real. From some of the comments I’ve seen, it is funny how the narrative is now “Basketball discourse is dead.” when people defend the Thunder.
Honestly, I just want good ball and I think we as fans deserve it. This series, in particular - specifically game 3, has been too ref dependent. No one wants to watch 40 FTAs, each with their own ad break, except Adam Silver.
The lu Dort helicopter spin on screens always gets me. Shit happens all the time and refs still fall for it.
Used his own elbow to push off a screen and flop. It’s disgusting work I tell ya
Absolutely disgusting.
They let it go in game 4, called it in game 5, and came back to their senses for this game.
Tony Brothers struck again
Tony Brothers is 61 this fuckery won’t go on much longer, thank god
inb4 Tony Brothers checks onto the court at 95 thanks to LeBron’s anti aging regimen
Bro this guy wanted to be a judge. Judges work till old as fuck. We’re screwed.
It’s more likely that they’re officiating to stretch the series to 7 games than just officiating fairly 💯
The Tony Brothers crew calls all of the flops
They didn’t “come to their senses,” they accomplished their mission getting this to game 7
Just a different crew officiating it that’s all. It’ll be back with the same crew that called 17FTs for SGA
but its his natural helicopter motion
Literally flung himself at castles legs on that play.
It’s so telegraphed too. Like I can tell you that he’s going to flop on a screen every time. Caruso does it too, not nearly as bad as Dort though.
“Every play feels like a negotiation with the refs.”
Yes, and it’s an absolutely joyless, draining experience to watch.
Kids used to yell “Kobe!” when they shot the ball. Nowadays, they might yell “Shai!” and fall to the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77OU2f54MCY
Watch until the end.
even those on the other side of the world are making fun of it
but nah, the false narrative from reddit, instagram, X (which are all banned in china btw) mustve just spread to them
Holy shit lmao. Too perfect
Unless you are a Thunder fan. They thought we hate them because they are just winning.
Don’t forget how criticizing the way they play means we don’t actually watch the games.
Had a thunder fan tell me he’s watched more ball this season than I have in my life.
They’re a stolen franchise anyway, shouldn’t even be in OKC.
Stolen franchise in a stolen state.
The entire fact of their team being in OKC to begin with is founded on deceit and fraud. They don’t like hearing that either.
Hell the whole founding of their state is based on deceit and fraud. Look up who the original “sooners” are
The funny thing is that a small market team winning their first championship with a bunch of underdogs and throwaways should be a feel good story for almost any sports fan, but everyone hated them before they even won it.
Nah, I hate that shit too. Playing this way isn’t ethical to the game in my opinion
I know this is a difficult step for a lot of people to take but…I just stopped watching. I’m not watching the finals if the Thunder are in it. I’ll watch game 7 tomorrow but if SGA is getting flopping calls I’m turning it off.
Complaining online is just engagement that Silver wants. If people just ignore it and watch something else so the NBA’s pocketbooks are impacted…that’s when change will come.
A Spurs/Knicks finals would get more engagement.
that’s one problem having a robot ref would solve. can’t argue with a soulless hunk of metal.
As if Scott Foster or Tony Brothers still had a soul in them
And its not just the Thunder, lets be real. They seem to be very intentional as a team about it - and they are a very good team having success with it - so it’s forcing the issue into the limelight.
But the problem isn’t just the Thunder. Its getting pervasive throughout the league with many, many players.
We all hate it. I don’t really blame the refs or the players (though it is embarrassing) - I blame the league. They need to take it out of the game.
Review for excessive embellishment remotely during the game - and assess techs retroactively at the next timeout. Yes - you might penalize the 10% honest flinches - but it will be worth punishing the 90% flops.
You have a 7 game western conference finals and the only headline is about flopping; that’s how you get things to change. Silver absolutely doesn’t want a series like this from wemby to go under the radar because of foul baiting
This is a mfer who told the MLB commissioner to not introduce the pitch clock because it would cut back on advertising time.
The pitch clock is the best thing to happen to baseball in the modern era and Silver advised against it because money. The man is a corporate ghoul and until this flopping shit has a negative affect on viewership he isn’t going to do shit
Adam silver brought us draft kings. That’s all you need to know
even humble players like Giannis arent afraid to get sponsored by gambling apps so…
Yep. Literally every company is choosing short term profits over long term viability. The nba will not be different even if it’s such a clearly losing decision - all that matters is how much money they make this quarter.
It’s remarkable that Rob Manfred is universally regarded as the better commissioner than Silver even after his disgraceful handling of the Astros cheating scandal
Don’t be so sure. Engagement is what they care about. Engagement is quite high over flopping.
The NBA doesn’t need short term engagement; all the flop talk is overshadowing what Wemby is doing this playoff run and the NBA needs to promote the next generation of stars.
Hate garners more attention than positivity. And hate for SGA gains views. Views > anything when it comes to media
I understand this perspective if you completely ignore how the NBA has driven ratings and marketed itself for atleast the last 40 years.
Damn they’re calling out the flops AND the push offs. This is legitimately great analysis.
The Thunder flopping is so horrendous that they got ESPN doing actual analysis again
Rare ESPN W
They always been capable, problem is the higher ups dislike it. They want emotions.
And they said it couldn’t be done
Maybe OKC is the real hero who’s bringing ESPN back from the dead lol
Even Stephen A. Smith is threatening to do actual journalism!
it’s interesting to me that all regular season we were told “you don’t watch the games,” but that deflection has dried up when they’re the only game on
but that deflection has dried up when they’re the only game on
Lmao I don’t know where you were these past 10 days but me and a lot of other commenters have been told we don’t watch games on every game threads this serie by Thunders flairs.
It’s even better when they call you mentally challenged because you disagree with them. The irony coming from okc residents of all people.
But yeah I agree it’s a lot more difficult for them to yell “redditors don’t know ball !” when even TV analysts are saying this team if full of trained floppers.
Yeah I was gonna say being told I’m mentally challenged by someone from Oklahoma would be a compliment.
Agreed. It’s the combination of those two that make it so frustrating.
Life Alert with SGA
“I’ve fallen and I need free points.”
Careful now, SGA might sue.
The Drake defense
Yes, we too saw the video
What video?
Even at the apex of Harden’s shenanigans, the mainstream media has never given flopping and unethical play so much attention. Better late than never I suppose.
Because Harden didn’t win championships doing it.
And they also literally made rule changes in response to his BS!!!!
Unfortunately making rules doesn’t mean shit, if they’re not enforced, and that’s the issue. If refs start calling flopping techs with consistency, we have a whole different brand of NBA basketball
He wasn’t the flopping techs rule it was the unnatural motion rule and hooking rules. The tech rule was done in 2023
I’m stoned and you’re 100% correct
With Harden it was always the understanding that his type of play would never work in the playoff reffing environment. And for his entire prime that turned out to be true. So I think fans were slightly less enraged because they knew that type of play only translated to regular season success. Now suddenly we have an entire team getting rings from this style and fans aren’t having it.
I think it’s because for the first time, the entire team is flopping
Yeah in game 2 when Isaiah Joe (an end of the bench guy for OKC) had quite possibly the most egregious flop of the entire playoffs, it became apparent this was a coaching/culture thing for this team.
Or Jared McCain throwing it back for a foul after elbowing castle in the chest hard as fuck.
He was not moving like this in Philly. That’s the thing. People remember how players act and IHart wasn’t taking nearly as many dives on the Knicks.
It’s coached. Drilled into them to a man
Shai wasn’t doing this for the Clippers either.
It’s cultural rot.
Harrison Barnes screen has some sort of a force field. It’s a valid reaction 😂😂😂
That’s my biggest notice. It is the whole team. At least half of Jay-Will’s jumpers involve him leaning or spreading himself out in mid air to catch some kind of contact and it just looks so damn silly.
The biggest sign you can tell it’s coached or a culture thing is the guys that came to the team recently with 0 history of doing it.
Yep. Like shit, McCain who has been on OKC for just months has already added it to his arsenal lmao. That shit is definitely taught team-wide.
As a sixers fan, that was so disappointing to see. Look how they massacred my boy gif vibes
Atleast Harden was fishing for actual contact, rip thru’s. This dude just ragdolls to the floor inexplicably. It’s so weird to watch.
harden never won with it. sga already won a ring and is 1 game away from going b2b. also it was just harden. this is the entire okc team. thats the difference.
they give this dude multiple mvps for doing it, it’s actually insane
The league made a rule change in response to Harden’s shenanigans while we’ve heard nothing but praise and weird draft lottery rules from Silver in response to this bullshit
Is this stuff getting blown out of proportion? Maybe. But either way I’m all for it, maybe it’ll force Silver to finally do something about this bullshit.
I keep saying it, it’s not a coincidence that the Raptors/Lakers/Bucks/Warriors/Nuggets/Celtics didn’t get a fraction of this hate
I mean, harden got absolutely this level of hate. The difference was his teams just didn’t make it further lmao
Yeah they never won, and Golden State also got hate for their moving screens but then people realized the entire league was doing it so there wasn’t much to really say especially since the moving screen still needed the shooter to make their shots, not go straight to the line
People still justify Steph’s terrible whistle by saying GSW abused moving screens.
also easy for warriors fans to argue that defenders are illegally holding him so taking some liberties to get him back open is just restoring the status quo. it all starts getting weird when what’s called doesn’t align with the rulebook.
The moving screens thing is interesting because the warriors didn’t get more leeway on moving screens, basically every screen set in the NBA for the last 20 years could be a moving screen, they just set way more screens than every other team and had deadlier shooters coming off them.
The Thunder try to manipulate the refs in every facet of the game.
It was just Harden though, and yeah some extension CP3 (but being small gets you benefits), and not the whole team.
CP3 gets rocked on most of his flops tho. Like, there’s a reason why he’s always 50⁄50 on deep playoff runs. OKC boys just get hit with shadows and aura like they’re Gojo fighting cursed spirts.
All those teams you could see the great team building, the coaching strategies and elite performance from their players.
With OKC you have a very hated team that has a great defensive identity with a mediocre offense that gets by because:
Shai DOES need to flop this often and blatantly. He is as good as he is because guys literally can’t defend him properly out of fear of being called for a foul which makes it far easier for to succeed. You allow him to be defended and he’s no longer this historic player
I’m so glad people are finally seeing it. It was maddening in the regular season when he had a great game without FT when people where like “see ?? He doesn’t need FT” and then you watch the highlights and defenders are treating Shai like he had Covid
That last part is the truest. As a Lakers fan, I see so much of Kobe in Shai’s footwork and mid range game, and by that standard I should be a massive fan, but his embellishments and collapsing on the floor on half of his shots just make it hard to appreciate the good in his game.
Yeah, the dislike is genuine, it’s not a social media narrative. The media might be jumping on the bandwagon a bit, but the majority fans have been clear that they hate this team since last season before they even won the championship
The best way I can quantify this is with jersey sales, they’re always a marker of popularity with the general populace and casual NBA fans. Curry and Bron have basically had the best selling jerseys over the last decade. SGA, despite being the back to back MVP and winning a ring, hasn’t ever cracked the top 5!! (Wemby was 3rd this year) And while it’s not surprising that Brunson, in a much bigger NY market, outsells Shaivonte, it’s clarifying that Ant, who is in a very small market and hasn’t had the postseason success/exposure or regular season awards of Shai, has outsold the MVP throughout their whole careers
People legit don’t like SGA because of the way he plays. It’s as simple as that.
Remember a few years ago when Silver went on his noble crusader to stop flopping by fining players and so many players were fined for it at the beginning of the season just for it never be enforced again? Yeah, I expect that to happen again.
Everyone’s avgs went down some for that week or 2 and Bron was one of the only players who weren’t affected. The game was beautiful. Then they never cared again
That first month of the 2023-24 season was magical.
Yep. And also that one year when they changed it up mid season.
Bron’s broke ass whistle lmao
Brother’s getting tackled from the retirement home atp
Every game the thunder won they had flopping calls in that game . Every one they lost they didn’t get those flopping calls . When those are the outcomes of the refs whistle I don’t think it’s blown out of proportion
How bad does your product have to be when analysts on ESPN are mocking the defending champs? This is so embarrassing for the NBA
If you think ESPN is doing this for any reason other than recognizing how much of an engagement gold mine the flopping discussion has been then idk what to tell you
why do you think your point discredits the point youre replying to? even if espn is engaging the popular discourse they are still not defending the nba champions
Yeah a TV network is putting something on the air that they think viewers might have an interest in seeing. I think you’ve cracked the conspiracy.
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Not a single thunder flair
It’s hilarious. Not a single one is seen on here.
Thunder fans are like roaches. Shine a light on their team and they scatter
Well said.
No but this is not flopping because he is exaggerating contact according to Adam Silver! Don’t even worry about it guys
You don’t understand, it’s 29 other teams and 49 other states that are visually impaired!
They’re finally broadcasting what all fans except okc fans have been saying. You could go back to any game that okc played this season and I promise you that you can find similar plays like this. Okc thunder have no fucking shame. Nba needs to address this stupid brand of basketball. You can’t make it normal like socccer
Not even as normal in soccer anymore, because soccer made changes.
Not saying it doesn’t happen still, but VAR has been good overall for the sport.
The problem in soccer is that penalties are the equivalent of handing out like 50 free throws at once.
It’s not even normal in soccer anymore. VAR isn’t perfect, but I will say there is way less diving now and players are punished. Or at the very least not rewarded for it that often.
EDIT: and that’s what makes me mad the most. Adam silver could literally end this bullshit tomorrow if he wanted to, but he chooses not to.
Be careful or SGA might sue you for talking like that
Good analysis, the only positive that I’ll find out of losing is getting to enjoy the shit show of NY having to deal with the OKC flopping.
Nah don’t be like that, come on now. Please beat those bums and let’s have actual basketball in the Finals.
dude fr. I’d love to a watch Spurs Knicks finals.
dust off the metal bats
Okc is the only team the Knicks played t hi year where Mike brown lost his mind.
it’s stuff like this that won’t make SGA as respected as the other all-time greats
It’s not just SGA, it’s the whole OKC team. How they’ve been resurrected from the ashes of KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, George failures, tanking with Chris Paul, then getting the best of the best in picks and SGA thanks to Presti dealing resulting in winning the championship, deserves a proper case study.
But all this is now overshadowed by just how egregious they’ve gone about playing. This has to result in a clampdown but I doubt Silver has the balls to enforce it.
“Every possession is a negotiation to the refs” lol
This is wild lol
Even Harden didn’t get this. He’d show up on Shaqtin sure but the most people say about Harden in the mainstream media is the whole bs “don’t get caught with your hand in the cookie jar” or “you reach I teach”
Honestly I think it’s reached this point because Harden was just one guy and you knew what he was going to do, and you try to deal with it, but with the Thunder it feels like the whole team is coached to do this and it’s their team game plan. It’s not even just one guy, like Jay Williams said.
Opponents of the Thunder have to deal with this all game long from every person.
One player doing it feels more like a playstyle or even just superstar “luck”. An entire team doing it makes it look more like a science, and as a result it looks more deliberate.
The head smacks are definitely coached. They have these little egregious actions that happen in ref’s blindspots or fast plays that at first you think are accidental but then more than 1 player repeat them the exact same way.
It’s because it’s their whole team and style of play. Harden was also more fun to watch imo
Also harden did this and put up 60 balls. SGA does this to have good efficiency and 20 points
Their whole team does it
Good job jay williams. The man brought real facts
Lmaooo the reigning mvp is being exposed
I hate Okc so much. Trash. Trash. Trash.
People will tell you that this is just some terminally online thing only redditors talk about, but like nah, GenX mainstream sports shows are talking about it too lol
We’re not crazy. Anyone who’s watched basketball the last 2-3 years knows this is how they operate.
Loving how much momentum the flop discussion is getting this year
Some motions/actions are so unnatural.
Like kicking out his leg way to the right when theres really no reason for it and it’s actually really awkward to kick your leg out when you’re in mid air
Thunder fans in shambles
This is exactly what I mean. Sure refs officiate games inconsistently. They miss things and call ticky tack fouls. What makes me lose respect for the Thunder is that they don’t even TRY to play through contact. Sure they’re handsy on defense but on offense they crumple with the slightest touch.
nice little easy left handed layup, nobody’s on him
He took off from just inside the FT line, and Wemby was lurking in the lane.
He shouldn’t have airballed it, but that very obviously wasn’t an “easy layup.”
I’m wondering who’s actually watched the clip, bc each SGa example makes no sense. Those are good shots that he missed and usually makes.
the Dort ones are bad tho lol
jwill is one of us, the only one who dare to say this on national tv
ESPN getting some cred back again keep it up JWill!
i cannot believe the NBA has let the foul-baiting shit dominate the discourse as much as it has the last month or so. they have to know this is damaging to the league, don’t they?
That was a ‘easy layup’?
What?
He’s at the 10 ft away from the basket and needs to cross 2 guys to get there.
Is anyone watching the video before commenting?
I’ve seen at least 2 sga moves in game 6 alone that looked worse than either of his examples.