[Lowlight] Shai Gilgeous-Alexander gets the goaltending call and a phantom foul call to go his way — Victor Wembanyama is confused
How tf is that goaltending
SGA signaled for it so unfortunately they have to call it
Thems the rules
In hell you play SGA one on one and he calls his own fouls and other violations.
Real MVP stuff, both a player and a ref on the court
Entire thunder team always be signaling refs on what to call.
I thought James Williams only answered to Caruso.
Look, Wemby’s just lucky Caruso didn’t call a tech.
Seriously
They need ai to calculate the peak of a shot to determine goal tending. Silver, get on it.
We’re so fucked, sent the gif to Gemini and it said its an and 1 for Shai
Lol
There are 10 better and more accurate ways of the league wants to introduce accuracy to the reffing.
So list them. I’m curious.
Better refs
Or just relatively simple image dsp.
Just need a motion sensor in the ball to track if it was still traveling upwards
Just use hawkeye like every other sport
Considering what happened last game. This series is going to remembered for all the wrong reasons
Someone is going to do a Documentary on Youtube on how bad the officiating was. When did the refs get this bad?
Also how tf is that a foul?
Yeah the first block was significantly closer to goaltending (still clean though). Insane call.
Because Wemby hit the rim.
Ball first. Don’t matter.
i believe they called it for hitting the rim
That’s kinda stupid though. He hit the rim AFTER smacking the ball which flew 10 feet away off the backboard. The rim never impacted the shot.
Yeah I mean we’ve seen shots waved off before after they’re already going in because I played touches the net or rim or smacks the backboard.
Two stupids dont make either stupid less stupid
I don’t disagree but it also doesn’t change the rule
The rule is not that you can’t touch the rim. Its that you can’t touch the rim to influence the shot
I almost never see that, even when it really should be called.
I thought so too, but checked the rule and this only applies “when the ball is sitting or rolling on the ring” or if you “vibrate the rim…so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce”. Looks like they just thought it was within the cylinder and blew it.
It was a makeup call because the first one was a goaltend imo.
This is true
That was my interpretation.
Was that in the cylinder.
I’m pretty sure you can’t touch a ball inside the cylinder, even if it’s on the way up.
Nowhere near the cylinder, what are you talking about?
it was near the cylinder, but i would agree it wasn’t above it just yet
I’ve slowed it down to be sure I’m not crazy. The frame his hand first touches the ball is definitely way outside the cylinder.
I assume It was in the cylinder.
It wasnt
Why assume when you can use your eyeballs and just look at it?
Why using eyeballs and the provided replay, when i can make reactionary and random assumptions? You don’t farm that negative karma with your attitude.
Can you not block it on the way up now?
Not if it’s a shot from SGA
Don’t know what’s more egregious, the foul call or the goaltending call
Not on a possible “and 1” situation. It’s the definition of the rule of goaltending
Nah you can’t just camp in the cylinder like that, it’s been a rule for a while. Wemby’s length makes it look way more obvious when he does it though.
Excuse me? Care to reword what you’re saying? Camp in the cylinder? In what way is Wemby “camping in the cylinder”? He blocks it before it’s over the rim?…
Not once it’s over the rim, trajectory is irrelevant
Mmm, are you sure?
The ball was blocked well before it was over the rim. How can you watch this replay and not see that?
Not when the ball is inside the cylinder.
Replay didn’t show a very conclusive angle, but it seemed like a reasonable call.
I could be trippin, but to me the replay pretty clearly showed that Wemby first touched the ball when it wasn’t over the cylinder yet (edit: it looked like he touched the ball outside the cylinder at the start of 0:25)
it’s a cylinder not a funnel
Nice. Lol
It was blocked well before it was over the rim, the replay shows that extremely clearly
“There’s the goaltend” fuck off Reggie
He took a beat but he did add “call” after seeing it wasn’t a goaltend.
The NBC crew is very OKC friendly, so weird
Yeah, the number of times they’ve refused to call a spade a spade has pissed me off this series. Particularly Reggie.
Imagine JVG calling this series
Reggie doesnt like to hate.
I struggle to think of him ever saying anything bad about a player while on the broadcast.
I remember in game 3 or 4, they were talking about the narrative around SGA being a flopper. After Reggie defended SGA, Jamal Crawford also defended it by saying something like “his flopping gives the other team a 4 v 5 advantage going the other way, people often forget about that.”
Like what? What kind of statement is that? Why can’t they just say his flopping is shit? With a shitty take like that, you can tell the league told them to make some comment to defend OKC.
Silver doesn’t want the media shitting on OKC too, it makes the product look bad
In game 1 and 2 they were pretty anti-OKC-bullshittery but you can tell they were yelled at for it and their tone has shifted dramatically since.
You cannot touch the rim on a shot. Yes Wemby blocker the shot legitimately, but because his arm hit the rim it would be considered a goaltend.
He slapped the rim
You can hit the rim. You can’t hit the rim to influence the shot
idk what’s worse, the call or reggie’s commentary
You can tell he’s watching the replay and says “here’s the goaltend… call on wemby.” That pause is him realizing he needs to be full of shit because the refs got it wrong
It’s a horrendously bad call and not in the same dimension of bad as reggie
It takes alot for him to comment on bad refereeing. Not like the Van Gundy bros. They already kicked one of em out.
Holy shit dude I was at the game last night and it so nice to be able to watch the game without that dumbass Ferengi trying to explain why OKC are fun to watch
How dare you insult Ferengi like that! No root beer for you, invitation to Quark’s rescinded
Man Reggie was on some other planet tonight, dude was just saying words lmao
Every night
If the NBA said “You have to have either Reggie Miller call Game 7 or Tony Brothers officiate it,” I’d have to take a long time before making a decision.
Refs gave Shai a 3 point play on TWO missed calls, shits genuinely insane
Never seen an MVP whistle quite like it.
I was losing my mind watching that live. One bad call is whatever but to get bailed out twice on the same possession is wild.
Isn’t it goaltending when the ball hits the glass first/when the ball is blocked as it’s going down? How is this a goaltend, much less a foul?
I was about to comment how the ball reaching the arc is tbf a tougher call, but that ball was still going up lmao
Maybe the contact with the rim afterwards but I don’t know
If it’s also within the cylinder it’s a goal tend
So hear me out.
The initial part of the Wemby block is not a goaltend, but it looked like he pushed the ball above the cylinder and then touched the rim. You can’t touch the rim or ball once it’s above the cylinder no matter how high.
It’s hard to tell from the angles if it actually does end up above the cylinder though.
Chronological order matters. Block comes first
The ball wasn’t over the cylinder when he actually touched the ball. He spiked it so it’s hard to see in real time but it’s just about to reach the rim’s distance when he blocks it, and the ball hasn’t started to come back down either so it’s certainly not a goaltend.
If that’s the rule, then alley-oop dunks would all be offensive basket interference.
Refs got nervous that people were thinking about basketball and not them.
Literally nothing, what are we doing.
Refs have been weirdly inconsistent all season, feels like some guys just get that superstar whistle and others don’t. Wemby’s gotta be frustrated playing through all that contact and then seeing that.
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It’s the type of shit that makes it obvious that there’s a shit load of preferential treatment
that is not goaltending
lol it’s literally going up to hit the backboard
first one was way closer to goaltend than the one that they actually called it on, guess they called it because it’s sga
No idea how that is goaltending. My only guess is because Wemby hit the rim, but that isn’t a violation unless the ball is also touching the rim and about to go in.
Does he make that face often cause it has great meme potential
Reddit - this one?
Fuck I almost forgot about this…
https://i.imgur.com/XWcBOgm.jpeg
So it wasn’t a goaltend and there was no foul? Do I need to clean my eyes or something?
Terrible call wow
We get clips every night of obvious missed fouls and then clips of just complete phantom calls.
But somehow the discourse is always which player flops more. And not “why can the refs not enforce the same rules every game?”
Spurs have the best facial expressions in the league.
The first one is a goaltend. Second one is a makeup call. It’s a foul because the NBA is rigging the game for SGA.
First one is as much of an apex as you’re going to get, that’s not a goal tend…and nor should we expect refs to be able to detect if a shot is at its exact apex or if it started to go down for one millisecond, at that point bring in a retroactive review on all blocks to confirm because that’s not a reasonable expectation of human refs to see in real time.
What they should see is that the Wemby block was nowhere near being a goaltend.
They should review all goaltending calls in the replay center. They don’t have to stop the game unless it’s in the last 2 minutes. If incorrect, just take away the points in the next dead ball after the review is made. The technology is available to do this.
You can’t, especially in this context where a “foul” occurred as FTA would get two free throw vs one if they didn’t call the “goaltend”.
Not even close to goaltend
They called a foul, on a shot attempt. You can’t block a shot on a field goal attempt on an “in-action” foul call. Or it’s goaltending. Been like that for a while, unless I missed something the past few years…
What gibberish did you just say? Of course you can block a shot attempt where the player was fouled..unless you know of some obscure rule no one else is aware of in the rule book.
Making up for the missed goaltend from esrlier i guess
Spurs won this but be prepared for these garbage calls in crunch time in game 7
Dude manufactures 3 points and a foul out of thin air.
But they didn’t want to call the one from last game what’s a joke
Julian’s block looked more like a goaltender (was slightly on its way down)
I guess with Wemby’s block they meant its over the cylinder? otherwise it was clean (got to it before its descent)
I was ok with this because Julian’s one definitely looked like goaltending
The first one was as much of an apex as you’re going to get…we shouldn’t be expecting refs to try and cal those in real time if they can’t see the ball start to decline in full speed.
Even at the slowest motion replay, I can’t see the ball declining when it’s blocked.
Also Wemby’s block was very clearly a full basketball length ahead of the cylinder, wasn’t remotely close to being above the rim.
Listen that Wemby block on McCain in the beginning of the game was definitely a goaltending so this negates each other
not how it works.
I don’t know how they didn’t challenge that.
what the fking fk is that call?!?
I kid you not, this was the first play I saw the moment I turned the game on
I’m not against drawing fouls, but when no whistles are blown for pulling hair and stepping on feet during a free throw attempt, this is a garbage call.
The only reason to not challenge is because it’s the difference between 2 or 3 points. Not a foul getting taken away or a big change of possession. I understand not challenging it, but it was a bad call.
This sport is a joke anymore XD
Where is the challenge
These refs
Shai: Don’t hate the player hate the game man.
Dray, stomp this mofo so for once the foul call has merit
“Foul… no, two fouls!”
SGA-h*le is just a slightly above average NBA player without the refs help. End of discussion.
I didn’t see any foul really but it was a goaltend and the refs missed a goaltend seconds before that call. One missed call pro spurs, one missed call pro thunder. Non-story
I’m going to blow your mind here….neither were goal tends 🤯
Not a single thunder flair lmao
The goaltending I got, it’s really close and hard to tell in real time. But htf did they think that was a foul?
Is this for real?I didn’t watch!
Poor Spurs just can’t catch a break.
Hand hit the rim. That’s the goaltend
Champagnie’s was an obvious goaltend can’t believe they missed that one lmao
lol obvious goaltend…even with the benefit of a super slow motion replay you can’t even say with full confidence it’s coming down yet.
That’s as much of an apex block as you’ll find, that’s not a goal tend call refs should be making.
He hit the rim so it’s a goaltend. This is refereeing basics
Thats not how goaltending works, hitting the rim would only apply if that would effect the ball going in the hoop. In this scenario the ball has no chance of entering the hoop at the time of wemby’s hand hitting the rim.
That’s not how the rule works lol you said that so confidently 😂
Touches the rim. Clean block but that is a goaltend on the follow through.
That’s not how that works
Ah, yeah, you’re right. I misunderstood the rule. Yeah, I don’t know where they thought the goaltending was, unless they considered it “above the cylinder” or on its way down in real time. SGA seemed pretty convinced, too, and he’s not usually one to call for a goaltend when blocked.
It’s not goal tending but makes up for the ones wemby didn’t get called for ig
just like the one wallace got away with last game?
They had multiple make up calls after that, so yes.
The amount of goaltends wemby has individually is larger than the totality of OKC man, why r we caping for smthn that’s been happening the whole playoffs lol
Best joke of the year
As a neutral fan ya’ll are fucking insufferable and I hope you lose this series
It would be funny if u think wemby doesn’t get away with goaltending just bc he’s giant
Hahahha
Makeup call- if any of yall are actually watching you would know McCain’s layup was a goaltend but they didn’t call it when they should have