The block from biyambo thats being called a hard foul
It’s a clean block followed by some contact that’s unintentionally. This is more physics then a hard foul
Biyombo is also like rock solid. McCain basically jumped into a wall here.
Physics bitch
What about analytically?
Clean blocked followed by an intentional hip check. If the jerseys were swapped people would magically see that without any issues.
Personally would have been fine if they didn’t call anything. It is what it is, but the contact was definitely intentional.
I’m not seeing how the hip check is intentional tbh.
Natural jumping motion to throw your ass in to people. Draymond should add this move then.
Raise your right hand as high as you can standing still, then try to raise it just a liiiiiiitle bit higher, tell me what your right hip does.
I tried this and shit my pants
most of r/nba redditors will shit their pants in this situation, but I specifically asked you to tell me what your right hip does.
His right hip smells of human feces from the pants-shitting, would be the answer there I assume.
But yeah, I do see your overall point.
You didn’t ask me shit sir, I just thought I’d let you know i soiled my pants
Idk why, but you saying “shit” then using soiled for the act of shitting made me giggle
Solid r/runningcirclejerk post. (Your talents are wasted in here.)
Oh please.
He turned his body to absorb the contact, I’m not gonna risk my balls like that either. I’ll turn and take the impact with my hip.
I really don’t think so man. I hate the spurs also just for context. I’m rooting for the thunder.
I could debate this play in a vacuum, don’t think I’d change my position, but I’d hear it out as possible.
However, this play didn’t happen in a vacuum. Ignoring all of the additional context is ridiculous. Goons check in, wemby whispers to both of these players, within 3 plays both of said players commit hard/high contact seemingly intentional fouls on the best Thunder player on the floor.
So what are we doing. People can hate the Thunder all they want, but it’s blatant what happened.
Personally don’t care, this subreddit is just so bias now it’s ridiculous. Starting to feel like a politics sub. People unwilling to criticize their own team and willingly putting blinders on for ridiculous things.
Tbh the Thunder deserve it with their playstyle. Ruining the game
I think he went straight up into the air and didn’t move forward to hit OKC player. It should be a good block.
I think we can’t see shit from this angle.
Which is perfect for reddit, we can all form our own conclusions and there is nothing that can be seen to disprove that.
I’m not going to pretend I know the rules to a tee, but I feel like when defenders rotate their body like that, it always gets called. If he keeps his body square, I think it’d be clean. Either way, not dirty.
Yeah I think it’s the rotating of the hips towards McCain. I don’t think it’s a HARD foul, just a foul.
Maybe rotating his hips is done subconsciously because–protecting dick.
Honestly I don’t even think it’s a foul because he blocked the shot before any contact was even made. Contact after getting the block is different.
I guess I didn’t clarify there, but yes, just a foul.
No I got you
“I’m not going to pretend I know the rules to a tee” is this the most self aware Thunder fan on the planet
This was a nothing burger, but the Plumlee elbow was definitely a hard foul bordering on dirty.
Yeah who’s calling this a hard foul? I haven’t seen that, maybe it’s happening idk.
The Plumlee foul is the obvious “we’re going to try and hurt your players in garbage time” foul.
The announcers did during the game lol
Reggie turned into just a glazer whoever is winning. He is the opposite of old-head haters in the worst possible way for some time.
They jumped to assume that there was contact to his head even though he just hit his head on a player’s leg. Reggie is all over the place with his “hard foul” commentary. He mentioned Caruso having a hard foul when it was two players feet getting wrapped.
The mods deleted the post, but the title called then hard fouls.
It’s being grouped in with the plumlee foul because wemby whispered in both their ears as they checked in and the announcers also mentioned it
A ton of people are throwing in Biz as part of the “plumlee and biyombo are dirty ass players”
Nah. Just plumlee is a POS. Always has been
OKC fans are using the two fouls as evidence that the Spurs are dirty. This is not dirty, just because the guy fell down and hit his head doesn’t mean the defender meant to hurt him. The Plumlee one was some BS for sure, but this one happening right after isn’t evidence they were trying to take the dude out.
Hope he does it again. You can clearly see maccain preparing to flop his ass off, okc should be dealt with fire
Piece of shit you are
Should I remind you that you have Lu Dort on your team?
Name a single dirty play Dort has had this series
he hasn’t committed a dirty play in 5 games! isn’t the flex you think it is
The series has been 5 games long, so I have no clue what further sample size you want me to pull from. That clown was suggesting that they should hurt McCain as some kind of retaliation for something Dort did, so what do you think he did?
Go ahead, flex your ball knowledge!
No, their was comment was about throwing stones in glass houses. A different poster said McCain was preparing to flop on the shot and deserves this hard foul (not the Plumlee bullshit that should’ve been a flagrant 1).
YOU can “clearly” see “maccain” do whatever YOU want to see him do
Incidental contact
clean block
Nah I think it’s a foul. Hip body contact but it’s nothing compared to the plumlee play which to me he should take questions about bc that was dirty
He basically jumps A to A, not A to B like McCain does, contact is inevitable. This ain’t a foul, McCain just sold it and the refs bought it.
If he jumped A-> A he’s inside the restricted circle
Restricted area is not relevant here. That only matters for block/charge fouls where the defender is planted. You can jump straight up in the air in the restricted area.
Maybe loses verticality with the hip so I don’t hate it but usually contact that far after a clean block they won’t call. Chet was arguing the same thing game 4
I dont buy this as apart of the “they were fouling hard on purpose narrative.” Clearly a play on the ball.
Now do the Plumlee one
Id like to see more of chet trying to injure people by stepping on their feet intentionally
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/VVqzGzJeM2
That’s just Plumlee being a clumsy oaf
If this is a foul then pretty much every chasedown block is a foul too. Players get bodied on chasedowns but it’s ok if the block was clean first.
Why did wemby do this
Okc fans will call this dirty but turn a blind eye to Harper getting elbowed in the face.
That’s the thing I don’t get, people are saying McCain is such a sweet guy, why would plumblee elbow him in the back like they didn’t watch him elbow harper then throw it back on him. Of course he got some punishment from an end of bench guy in garbage time.
Practically zero OKC fans or anyone else is calling this dirty. It was only the dumb announcers that called this a hard foul for some reason. Makes no sense. JMac only got hurt from falling back into Plumlees shin which is also nothing and no one is saying it is. Your strawman argument is full on homerism.
Clean block. He goes straight up. Gets all ball. The body contact is after the block. Since he goes straight up it should be a no call.
Watching some old playoff games melo swiped Kobe across the arms and face … no big talk about no flagrant discussion just two fts and on to the next play
A hit Bynum put on melo in game 6 no big deal . Melo took the hit then went to the line and took his fts
I think he clearly got ball first. So even if it’s a foul, it’s hardly a hard foul. It’s absurd people are pointing to this one as an example it’s literally a guy blocking a shot well before any contact.
No issues with this. Only thing on his mind here is probably “man didn’t I used to be able to jump higher? Ow my knees”. Can relate.
Crime against humanity there!
No! These are Wemby’s hitmen!
Can they get of rid Reggie miller and Mike Tirico? GAH DAMN those guys are terrible. They make the games even more unwatchable!
This is nothing, lol.
The league is creating this soft ass mentally
That’s a good block. Is there a different angle?
He hits him in the face after the block
I think mccain just fell and hit his head on a shin/knee. looked like mccain actually stiff armed biyambo’s arm to help propel him towards plumlee. Think refs were just gonna call anything there to keep things civil-ish as this was pretty much right after the blatant forearm to the back.
Yeah I can’t see it here so I was wondering there was some other kind of contact we can see from a different angle. I had a feeling there had to be something else.
Having Watched the game, after this replay they show McCain head possibly landing on plumlee’s shin. Thats why he grabs his head.
his head hit plumlee’s shin on the way down. initially, it was difficult to discern what happened.
Thunder fans winning and moaning like usual
Great block
Regular foul, the Plumlee foul is just straight ip dirty wanting to injure McCain.
Looks clean to me
Why the fuck is he grabbing his head on the ground as if he was just clubbed in the head? I hate that okc is going to win this series.. such a bad look for the league. A bunch of fake, whiney cowards.. I miss 90s ball so much
Can’t see it from this angle but the back of his head hit the knee/shin of Plumlee. Not a foul still, but that’s why
Ah gotcha, thank you! Fair play then. I’m just used to seeing them sell the BS
Watch the game and maybe you’ll see. If not, don’t speak.
Lmao redditors that never hooped telling on themselves
The camera pans up and we don’t see what happened, he’s holding the back of his head.
Only thing I can see is him turning his hip into McCarthy after the block. That is definite contact. Weird to not have another angle. Like real time.
Jumping and rising high to block with one hand often leaves you in that position naturally
What a dumb angle to make whatever point you’re trying to make.
Normal foul. Move on.
No benefit of the doubt after Plumlee’s dirty play
Just a foul with a hard landing.
This is misdirection away from Plumlee’s foul.
No its not the post said biyambo also hard fouled him
He didn’t, everyone can see it. Focusing on this play is misdirection from the real issue: Wemby talking to Plumlee and Biyambo and then Plumlee immediately targeting McCain.
So you have two problems here. The person who first started this “Wemby put a hit out” lumped in Biyombo.
So its not a misdirection to talk about the thing that was brought up.
Second Wemby talked to them both which is why some people need evidence of Biyombo also being dirty against McCain or the flimsy Wemby part of this take dies.
Everyone is currently distracted from Plumlee is dirty as shit which is the only actual story. Olynyk is dirty too. Did something similar in game 2 that no one noticed surprisingly.
This isn’t a one person theory.
I’m saying if we’ve established Biyombo’s foul was normal, then the discussion should return to the actual issue: Plumlee’s intentional targeting.
The biggest story isn’t Biyombo. The biggest story is Plumlee targeting McCain immediately after Wemby had a conversation with both players.
Biyombo not hard fouling McCain doesn’t prove Plumlee wasn’t told to go after him. Wemby talking to him is a smoking gun. Wemby previously, and intentionally, throwing an elbow at someone’s throat is precedence.
If the roles were reversed, and Dort talked to Kenrich Williams, and then Kenrich levels Harper a minute later. I’d believe Dort told him to do it. Because the evidence plus precedence. And I’m fairly certain you’d believe the same.
Someone posed the theory first. I saw the OG tweet. It includes both of them. So both need to be addressed.
It was reposted on here and included both. So both need to be addressed.
It is not a misdirection if you are addressing a part of the controversy that was brought up.
It also makes sense to include both. He whispered to both in succession. Its way more logical to assume he told them the same thing than to assume he told them to take out McCain.
So why did Plumlee listen and Biyombo didn’t?
I’ve yet to see anyone say what Plumlee did wasn’t dirty. Best you get is idiots saying “McCain deserved it”
Plumlee very obviously did something dirty. And he specifically said he’d do it again. Plumlee has always been dirty. Thats literally his only use. He’s not that good.
There isn’t actually anything left to talk about. So if thats your point, we’re all wasting our time.
Which to be clear we all are. There isnt anything interesting left to say about this. Yet here we all are.
That’s not the theory though.
Nobody has to prove both players targeted McCain.
The suspicious sequence is:
Wemby talks to Plumlee and Biyombo.
Plumlee immediately levels McCain with a dirty foul.
Whether Biyombo did anything dirty is secondary.
Biyombo being clean doesn’t disprove anything involving Plumlee. It only disproves the claim that both players acted on it in the same way.
If Wemby talked to both and only Plumlee acted on it, the timeline looks exactly the same as what happened.
This is fanfiction genuine fanfiction dude, how do you know wemby doesnt talk to bench players every game yall only focused on it cuz a foul happened lmao
Nobody knows what he said. That’s the entire point.
You’re right that if Plumlee doesn’t immediately level McCain, nobody is talking about the conversation.
But Plumlee DID immediately level McCain.
That’s why people are looking at it.
Maybe Wemby talks to bench players every game. Maybe he doesn’t. I don’t know and neither do you.
What I do know is Wemby talks to Plumlee, Plumlee immediately commits one of the dirtiest fouls of the series, and now people are acting like it’s irrational to find that sequence suspicious.
10000% foul.
Dude was not vertical and leaned in with his hip. It doesn’t matter the shot was blocked.
Thats a dangerous play for both the defender and shooter.
The entire point of verticality is to make sure the NBA players are protected the safest way in the air.
Bone to bone contact like with hips or jumping sideways creates potential injury through bone contact, or an awkward landing/fall because youre not leveled or straight up.
He’s throwing his hips out. Is that allowed? Serious question
Yeah people saying he “jumped straight up” are out of their damn minds lmfao
No, that’s the foul
It’s a normal ass foul. Just like the ones on Caruso and Ajay against Castles fast break. This just happened right after the dirty Plumlee play. Let’s not act like the narrative has been equal here.
Bro Ajay pushed Castle in the back mid air. that’s a flagrant every time, what are you on about
I’m not saying it wasn’t a foul. I don’t even have a problem with it. The reaction was funny though. He flopped like a fish to sell it. I would know, SGA is on my team.
Yeah both things can happen. Foul can be legit and it can be embellished. That doesn’t get called a flagrant if tensions weren’t already high. Mainly because Castle was acting like it was worse than it was on both attempts. There’s a million examples of the exact same type of foul that can go either way. It’s not a stretch either way.
Watching it live and just rewatching it now, I’d really love for you to explain how he embellished it. Because all I see is a dude lose control midair because he was pushed.
That absolutely gets called a flagrant. Ajay pushed Castle while he was jumping, in transition from behind, without making a play on the ball. That’s called a flagrant in the regular season too because its dangerous
I have no rooting interest in either team, hope you will recognize this is a homer take
Of course it’s a biased take. Every opinion on here is through the rose colored glasses of our preconceived notions. I think it was a normal playoff foul on a fast break. I’ve seen it called both ways in the past. Castle was looking to be upset on both instances and lost his cool. If we’re going to apply blanket narratives to every OKC player why can’t I bring up Castles weak mentality? He’s young and can change but it’s a common occurrence now. AjAy isn’t a dirty player he was just in a bad spot. It happens all the time without some extra narrative being applied.
Yeah I’m gonna be done responding to you after this. You’re creating strawmen and not engaging with what I’m saying. Firstly I never said Ajay was dirty, I never said anything about narratives around OKC nor were we talking about Castles “mentality”. You have gone from saying it’s a normal foul, to it’s a flop, to Castle being upset was why it was called a flagrant.
I asked how he embellished the foul to no response. And I explained how pushing a player in transition from behind without making a play on the ball is a flagrant and you’re just ignoring that to rant about Castle’s mentality. The Caruso foul was a normal foul, making a play on the ball and rightfully not called a flagrant. The Ajay foul was different and way more dangerous, and excusing it as “he was in a bad spot” is incredibly stupid, he absolutely could have just conceded the layup and not made a dangerous play from behind.
And “every opinion is biased” is something a high schooler would use to argue their point lmao
“Oh no! Poor Stephon got pushedd… did poor Stephon hurt himself? Oh no, Stephonnn it’s okay babyyy”.
Get ready for cancun boi.
Pushing someone whose mid air is not a regular basketball play.
And a Hornets fan telling someone else about Cancun is hilarious
Not many teams more familiar with Cancun than Charlotte
You might not realize, but there is a lot of OKC bandwagoners with teen energy (fits the team) disguised with other team flairs in this sub. They give it away a lot in game threads and it just makes their team and fan culture more… something, I don’t know.
Charlotte such a poverty franchise they can’t even afford Cancun. Best they can do is a group rate at Myrtle Beach.
Hornets fans shouldn’t even be allowed speech. Team full of fake demons
Yikes