Grizzlies lock up their core and then the apron rules are implemented. Grizzlies start rebuilding and the tanking rules are implemented. Feels bad man. Typical grizzlies luck

Seems like a pretty insane and fixable rule.

This royally sucks. Punishing teams for trading for picks before the rules even exist is crazy.

Adam Silver is a terrorist

I’m starting to think Silver is far worse than Stern ever was.

I’m sorry, but this is fucking stupid. I can understand it if the jazz kept the pic but if the pic is being transferred to the grizzlies, then it shouldn’t count under the same rules because the grizzlies haven’t picked in the top 5 three straight drafts.

I really don’t get why it would work like this if the goal is reducing the consecutive runs of luck like the Spurs got. Do I care if it’s the same team’s draft rights? No, it’s about the same team picking

Of course the primary purpose seems to dissuade multi-year tanks, but if a team’s pick is out the door then they have no incentive to lose anyway

Thats bullshit.

Memphis obviously valued the trade based on it possibly being one of those top picks so you can’t just go and block it after the fact

Can’t have nothing nice.

Adam Silver ruining the NBA most of us grew up loving.

Doesn’t matter because the jazz arent getting that low of a pick next draft anyways.

Picks that were already traded should not apply to these rules. I think that’s really a simple enough fix for this. You cannot punish these teams for something they could not have considered when actually making the trade.

It seems like they could have at least built in some protections for trades that have already been made.

But it does leave open the opportunity for this to go bad for a team and have someone on ESPN try and make the argument that this is an ex post facto law. And then Kendrick Perkins will have to talk about constitutional law.

That makes absolutely no sense. It’s not like the Jazz would have any incentive to tank without owning their pick. The only way they would hit top 5 again is if they just genuinely sucked. That needs to be changed before they implement

Going back to 2025 for this rule basically only affects the Grizzlies. Someone implemented this retroactive rule to screw the Grizzlies specifically

Without even getting into the merits of the three straight top 5 rule (which is arbitrarily capped at 5 when only the top 4 were lottery wins?), which is way more unlikely already given the new flattened odds.

It’s completely against the spirit of this rule that the Grizzlies are the ones being punished for the Jazz picks being in the top 5. It’s not preventing the Jazz from becoming the next Spurs, it’s just adding a protection on a pick the Grizzlies already traded for

I wouldn’t say they earned it last year. They were awful and fell 4 spots.

But yea, the NBA needs to fix this. Any protections previously granted should continue to exist, but new rules apply effective immediately. That’s the only way to keep it fair imo

it’s funny that silvers new anti-tanking strategy not only does nothing to stop tanking but also creates a new problem and ruins the value of picks

So they basically nerfed every “we’ll gamble on your future pick” trade retroactively lol.

If I’m Memphis I’m kinda pissed, because you paid full price under the old rules and now the upside is capped. NBA really speedrunning how to make front offices hate long term planning.

The Jazz traded the best of their pick, Minnesota’s pick, and Cleveland’s pick, so whether the Grizzlies end up with the Jazz pick is still to be decided.

Adam silver come up with a logical solution instead of inventing a new problem challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

Shouldn’t apply to traded picks, but at the very least just grandfather in existing situations like this. bullshit

This will be a nothing burger because the jazz pic won’t be top 5.

These lottery proposals are such dog shit

Just remember the NBA owners have to vote on this proposed rule change and it has to pass by ²⁄₃ or ²¹⁄₃₀ owners. So whatever the rules entail they will not be being pressed or enforced on anyone by Adam Silver. Also Given the fact that Utah has two all star forwards, a few other decent pieces and now the #2 pick ,I would expect them to not be a bottom dweller anyways next year so the pick may not even be a lotto pick anyways.

at best that jazz pick was ending up as a late lotery pick but the jazz have like a 90 percent chance to make the playoff next season i bet

Tbh the jazz probably won’t even get that low of a pick.

didnt think the new rules would retroactive

Them bucks picks and swaps about to fuck us. Adam Silver going to hell man.

What a disaster

I don’t understand why instead of all this bullshit they don’t just remove restricted FA. Keep the extra year and super max or whatever, just remove RFA. If teams constantly tank they’ll lose young players more and the value prop of 9 years of team control for young stars gets drastically reduced, they’ll inherently be less incentivized to tank.

I don’t understand why instead of all this bullshit they don’t just remove restricted FA. Keep the extra year and super max or whatever, just remove RFA. If teams constantly tank they’ll lose young players more and the value prop of 9 years of team control for young stars gets drastically reduced, they’ll inherently be less incentivized to tank.

That’s such a goofy way to handle it lol. If the league wants to stop teams from punting multiple years in a row, fine, but retroactively nerfing picks that have already been traded is wild. Imagine thinking you might’ve just landed a future top 3 and then Adam Silver is like “actually it caps at 6 now, sorry.”

It’s fucked up but I don’t think the jazz will be close to the bottom next year

They should just scrap the retroactive part and having it just be point forward

Yeah Grizzlies need to be grandfathered in on this.

My only suspicion is that by not letting the Grizzlies get a top 5 pick, it slightly increases the odds off all the other teams to get it, which gives those teams a little extra incentive to vote in favor of the new rules.

Thank god. This is the exact intended effect everyone was hoping for! Finally the league is sticking it to Memphis

That is just stupid.

Adam Silvers NBA is devoid of logic 

This shit is going to be as short sighted as the second apron. Again, this sub got astroturfed into doing gamblers’ bidding. The overwhelming majority of people outside of gamblers and sports writers don’t give a fuck about tanking. And now we’re going to have a thousand more rules we don’t need.

Does this work in the reverse? Like does this mean now the Jazz could still have a top 5 pick next year, as long as it was traded from another team?

This is misleading.

The Grizzlies don’t technically own the Jazz pick: they own the best of UTA/MIN/CLE. So while the Utah pick is capped at 6, if Cleveland or Minny have a season from hell and end up winning the lottery, the Grizzlies would still get that pick

As a Grizz fan I’m not pressed. It’s not official and it was unlikely that Jazz pick is finishing top 5

The NBA doesn’t care about any of this shit making sense or being logical. They just want to appeal to tv rights owners, sponsors and casuals that they are “trying”.

It’s also possible the Jazz make the playoffs after the play in and still give the Grizzlies a pick as high as 6th. That would have never been possible before the changes. So it’s highly likely the overall changes greatly benefit the Grizzlies, because in that scenario the pick will be better than a 15th pick or whatever. It just won’t go all the way to first.

This woul be like the NBA suddenly creating a new “player safety” rule where any player who missed 50+ games the previous season can only play a maximum of 60 games the next year. Jaren Jackson Jr. would still technically be available, but the league would be artificially capping the value and upside of the asset after teams already invested in it.

Hopefully the next rule is a brunson/kahwi rule of no taking discounts and under the table money/employing relatives to circumvent cap space

Who thinks George, Peterson, Markkanen, JJJ, Kesler, Bailey, Filipowski, Collier, Sensabaugh, Cody Williams, Svi plus “defensive free agent signings” is not a playoff team?

Thats some bs

The entire NBA c-suite has one collective brain cell, I’m surprised they even come up a half arse plan.

Yeah but the jazz were projected to be competitive(ish) next year. Grizzlies aren’t dumb. They would have been internally expecting this pick to be in the 10-20 range before the rule changes. Now the rule changes allow more variance for mid tier teams, increasing the chances for a high pick from the jazz. They’re better off now with a realistic shot at the 6th pick.

I see no logical reason at all for them not to grandfather in these already traded unprotected picks as exceptions

Nothings finalized yet so there room to tinker. But situations like this should not count imo. Another that shouldn’t is if a team finishes in the bottom 3 but another team has their pick, then they should get the maximum lottery balls, as the rule is there to incentivize teams to not lose and a team that doesn’t have their own pick won’t be trying to lose. But under these new rules they would be incentivized to lose because it reduces the chance that the pick they hand over is good and so isn’t as embarrassing to them.

This is the kind of thing that will even out in the long term. Sometimes this happens, sometimes the opposite will happen and your lotto pick goes to someone else and then that caps your ability to win the next lotto.

That’s a dumb rule

It sounds worst than it is. It does suck for the Grizz, but the Jazz pick may well not convey in the lotto anyway.

And it do does, small chance to pick top 4 but new absolute to pick 6-10 actually cancel out. If I’m not mistaken, the “average” slot expected for the pick actually improves in the new rules, it just loses the highest end outcome. 

I don’t understand why instead of all this bullshit they don’t just remove restricted FA. Keep the extra year and super max or whatever, just remove RFA. If teams constantly tank they’ll lose young players more and the value prop of 9 years of team control for young stars gets drastically reduced, they’ll inherently be less incentivized to tank.

Well gotta blame the teams that purposely tanked this season for why those rules had to take place. Sucks for Memphis but oh well. So what happens if the Grizzlies trade that pick and they fall into the top 5? Do the new team that has the Grizzlies pick stay at #6 or they will have whatever spot the Grizzlies should have gotten if it was on the top 5?