I don’t mean to overreact to something sort of small but the comments about how the analytics had them winning and all that stuff isn’t great. It just seems like you’re leaning on that too much. That game one collapse was really bad. It seemed like that was something they couldn’t move past. I mean last night they looked bad. Just done already before halftime.

He the type of coach who is great at developing a young team but will need to be replaced for the team to take the next step.

I usually despise the “body language expert” takes but idk how anyone could watch that interview the other day and say anything besides “I am watching a man literally lose his mind in real time right now.”

I just don’t think he or anyone else really could or frankly should be coming back to the same team after that spectacular, public, and embarrassing of a breakdown. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets canned and takes time away from basketball for a year or two. I don’t know the guy, just wouldn’t be surprised is all.

All that said it is clear they will not get anywhere without real SFa and Jarret Allen being a starter, or possibly even on the roster in general. So while yes they do need a new coach don’t expect a JB or Mike Brown renaissance cause they kinda already had that last regular season and shit the bed there too.

People said the same thing when we fired Thibs, then clowned us for the mike brown hire.

When you have a roster that’s ready for contention, it makes sense to take a swing if you think the coach isn’t the man for the job. Only hindsight will tell you if it’s the right move

He also has vastly underperformed in the postseason. Last years second round exit was straight up unacceptable for a 1 seed.

It reminds me a lot of Thibs to be honest. Helps build the groundwork but once you have that established there’s only so far he can take you.

The only champion coaches that I know of that aren’t currently NBA employed are Mike Malone and Budenholzer.

Malone already signed on with NCAA though

It would probably be Borrego. He was a finalist with Kenny last time. Owner liked Kenny a lot. I think FO liked Kenny too but may have preferred Borrego from what I read. And NO was too dumb to not hire him.

Maybe so but I’m certain the majority of this sub could have coached that team to the win game 1. A 22 point collapse is on coaching. Not calling a timeout and getting a set play that will give you a high percentage look is on him.

If they close that game out who knows how the series goes. Instead after that demoralizing loss the series was over.

I think coaches often take too much blame for players, but I think game 1 is still largely his fault, and that kind of collapse messed with them the whole ECF. After Brunson scored the first however so unanswered points on Harden he should’ve called a timeout immediately to either pull him or make an adjustment. People largely blame Harden for that but usually coaches call a timeout sooner to stop the bleeding rather than just watching it unfurl.

Fans way overrate the importance of what these guys say to the media. The organization actually knows how he operates day to day. They have a lot more relevant information on whether he should be fired or not than a postgame press conference

people are just too stupid to realize “we won analytically” and “we had good looks and didn’t make them” and “it’s a make or miss league” are all the same fucking idea

How does that take the heat off his guys? He’s saying his system is generating good looks but the team is not converting their chances

Basically saying hey I did my job, our offense works..

I think not using the timeouts during the first game was worse than the analytics comment, but the analytics comment was terrible optics.

Your team pays domestic abusers clown

We fired our coach.  If we said we were the better team and did nothing I’d be pissed.

Its not casting stones when its entirely accurate 

Mitchell made all nba, he’s a star player, that’s easy 

Atkinson definitely deserves the blame for the loss for not making adjustments 

They did the same thing in the Raptors series. And in the Pistons series. A lot of those people posting don’t know how to take a loss and realize you can’t win the finals every year….which is a weird thing to have to remind Cavs fans of

As it should be lol, did you not watch that series???😂😂

anyone calling for adjustments should first name three defensive coverages they saw in the first quarter

Well, not us. Lol.

Not James Harden teams.

Well, the Spurs are my only horse left in the race. So I’m pulling for you guys. I love Wemby, and I would just like to see Pop be part of the parade, honestly.

We already lost to the Celtics in the theoretical ECSF and the Cavs in the analytical ECF. We should just be happy to be here

Knicks are getting so slept on that it’s wild. WCF winner is going to come out tired af only to go against a well rested Knicks team that is firing on all cylinders

This is the duality of winning. If you win a series in the Finals you guys will get all the respect. If you lose you will be frauds who played a weak east. We are nba fans, we don’t do grey area.

Mavs fans felt the same way about our team in 2024 and look how that turned out…

Exactly just check out Off and Def rating going into the series..

We were 10pts higher than the Spurs on O Rating, level with OKC and also top 2 Def..

People just can’t believe there can be a dominant team in the East, based in NY.

Why would you feel disrespected? This has nothing to do with the Knicks themselves. It is more about the fact that once you are in the WCF or ECF, you are literally supposed to be challenging each other, and there really is no reason not to. I would say the same about SAS if they went 0-4 against OKC… but they did not.

And that is a huge difference.

Like, I will level with you, this is not about you or the Knicks, and I am not sure why you had to come in and defend the great playoff performance the Knicks had when we are talking about the Cavs, and more specifically Mitchell’s reaction to some extremely lackluster performances.

Because there was nothing indicating that Cleveland should fumble this badly, but they did. And as much as we can give credit to the Knicks, especially in posts that are actually about the Knicks… (and this post is not about Knicks… … ) this is not really about them playing great. This is about Cleveland not only failing to play to their full potential, but having genuine massive issues performing under the brightest lights, from coaching to players.

Under no circumstances would I be okay with a 4-0 sweep in the WCF, ECF, or the Finals. That can happen because sport is sport… but at this level, where you claim to be top 4 in the league, there should not be such a huge gap that you cannot win a single game. Especially if you were up by 20+ points in the fourth quarter of one of them.

lol with all due respect you can feel the difference in quality watching these matchups for 5 minutes. Cavs and Knicks games felt so flat after watching spurs OKC because the eastern conference teams aren’t capable of reaching that intensity.

Knicks or Cavs or pistons or whoever would have no answer for OKC’s perimeter defence or spurs interior defence.

Both teams have so much physicality to throw at Brunson.

It’s not disrespectful to say this. It’s obvious. The finals is happening right now in the west.

The pistons were the 1 seed bro

The Pistons team that were a 60 win 1 seed?

Coming into the year they were +750 to NY +900, both starting below OKC (+250) & Denver (+550). It may have been a poor ECF showing, and ugly run in general, but it was still a run to the ECF and not a 1st round flame out.

TBH, he could’ve gone with a “analytically we actually swept them 5-0.” 😄

You don’t have to say “were actually up 2-1 with my #s” right before you get swept by 40 points.

You also don’t have to claim you were just unlucky after a game 1 where you had a complete coaching meltdown.

Taking responsibility is a part of being a coach.

So, yea.