[Highlight] Spurs off-ball defense on Shai in the fourth quarter of Game 2
I was waiting for someone to do this haha. I mean, sure there was a lot of grabbing… But everyone was grabbing! Let them play!
And yet there’s a gsw fan all over this thread claiming OKC’s grabbing was worse. Basketball discourse has gotten so whiny that we’re having grabbing olympics lol
agreed.
The only one that I feel like was an egregious no call given how the game was playing out was Hartenstein pulling Castle’s hair
Yeah, I don’t get that one. Even if it was accidental, that’s something you have to call when it’s right in your line of sight.
Past that, continuing to reward flops is disgusting but that’s a league-wide issue they refuse to address.
A Spurs fan was insisting to me that I don’t know how basketball works and none of these were ever actually fouls when I called this out earlier when everyone was whining about Hartenstein.
To be clear, I like that none of either were called. It’s consistent, you either call them all for both sides or call none for either, but everyone in this sub just wants the refs to favor the Spurs instead of calling a fair, consistent game.
I feel like there are a whole host of fans who just have never watched basketball before (or have never watching anyone other than Victor Wembanyama playing off ball) crying foul about all of the off-ball fouls on Victor.
Like, yes, Wemby is getting held, grabbed, shoved, pushed, pulled, etc. off ball. All of them could be called as fouls. But, like, that’s kind of the life of being off-ball. Like it or not, the refs have been letting off-ball contact go for years. There was montage after montage of Steph Curry being hugged off-ball.
And it’s not like San Antonio plays perfectly clean basketball. Castle in particular is crazy physical. So the outrage about Wemby getting his wrist grabbed or bumped on the roll is driving me crazy. Like, fucking watch any basketball game. Jesus
Most people in this sub start crying when they see a player fronting the post against someone bigger. They lose their minds like it’s some brand new tactic that only exists to cheat for defenses against good centers lol. These people legitimately don’t know ball
“But Wemby is an unstoppable god who should be averaging 100/20/20/20/20 a night and if he doesn’t it’s only because Adam Silver, Tony Brothers, and Scott Foster are holding him down!”
That was legit what it felt like after Game 1 here. I like Wemby, I think his ceiling is legitimately the GOAT because look at him and what he can do, but this sub overrates what he currently is (which, tbf, is a top five-top ten at worst player in the league. But he’s not the undoubted best player in it rn.)
I mean, I actually think there’s a very real argument he’s the best player in the league, and no worse than 3rd, imo.
He’s still too inconsistent to me. He does dumb things like the elbow in the series against you or choosing to mow over Caruso in OT in game one. There’s some stuff to clean up that when he does he’ll be the best. If I was choosing one player in the league to build my team around for the future, it’d be Wemby and him over the number one pick for the next few drafts as well. I just don’t think he’s the best yet.
Trying to win exclusively in this season I’d still definitely rather have SGA or Jokic (yes even with that poor series against you,) and would debate Wemby versus healthy ANT, healthy Luka, Brunson, healthy Giannis, or healthy Tatum (yes I’d undoubtedly take him over the injured/banged up versions of the guys we saw in these playoffs or didn’t in the case of Giannis lol, this is all hypotheticals to say that, when these guys are healthy, I think they all are either on the same level as or better than Wemby is currently, but Wemby will be undoubtedly better very soon barring injuries.)
The amount of posts and comments crowning Wemby the best player in the world and declaring he was already on path to be the GOAT after game 1 was crazy lol
They cry the moment their team is losing and search for reasons for it other than the reason that their team is just worse
They’ve been told “OKC Bad, rigged, refs favorite, FTA, SGA Flops” all season, and there have been fifty million posts since game one glazing Wemby and calling him better than LeBron and Jordan combined and acting like the Spurs in four is guaranteed and if it’s not it can only be because of Adam Silver and Tony Brothers and Scott Foster, that’s all like half of this sub actually knows about basketball.
The way to call it fairly is either call every ticky tack thing (in which case everyone fouls out in the first half) or let stuff like this and Hartenstein on Wemby go, and I much prefer the latter.
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Oh goody, it’s you again. I remember you from the last thread, here’s the evidence you asked for in that video, and you’re still just denying reality. If they call the grabs on Wemby, they call everything shown in that video and more too. You can’t have it both ways where those grabs are “ticky tack” and the grabs on Wemby are “blatantly unfair and rigged”.
Because guess what, if that’s ticky tack, so is the stuff on Wemby. It’s the exact same shit. If it’s not, then neither is the stuff on Wemby. Those are the only two options here. The other options are blatantly rigging it for one team over the other, and I was told fans on this subreddit didn’t want to see that.
My brother in Christ, you’ve been conditioned by social media to only see what your algorithm wants you to see.
Do we get an unfair whistle sometimes? Sure. You guys do too. But you have to understand your brain has been conditioned to see things a particular way. Anything that happens to my side is egregious, and “they” got away with everything. It’s conditioning, my friend, and we’re all victims of it.
Again, my friend.
YOU ARE POSTING IN A THREAD THAT SHOWS YOU A VIDEO OF CHAMPAIGN DOING LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE UPSET ABOUT.
This person did the exact same shit in another thread too. They deny reality because they refuse to admit that they’re wrong about this. They want the refs to rig the game in their favor by ignoring this and calling what Hartenstein did to Wemby, which is the exact same thing as this.
No, I think there is something to learn from this.
Oklahoma is easy to hate. No population, dumb politics, we went from 15th to last in education in just 20 years of Republican control, flyover country.
But this hysteria is something I’ve never seen in sports before. It’s watching the masses get worked up about something that truly doesn’t exist and collectively lose their minds over. It’s kinda of a nice echo to society as a whole. We’re all pissed off, and it’s someone else’s fault, but damned if I’ll do anything other than bitch about it.
And the league has decided, according to this subreddit, to rig the league in favor of the team from Oklahoma City. Which makes zero sense. It’s, like you said, no population. WWE isn’t going all in on a guy nobody’s ever heard of who can’t cut promos, why would the NBA go all in on one of their smallest markets if they had the choice?
If the league was rigged, we wouldn’t be talking about how many decades it’s since the Knicks won their last ring. If the league was rigged, Chicago wouldn’t be such a bad team. If the league was rigged, the Lakers with one of the two greatest players of all time wouldn’t be getting swept in the Conference Semi Finals. If the league was rigged: San Antonio wouldn’t have the best draft luck of all time. If the league was rigged, we wouldn’t have just seen the Indiana Pacers vs the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Finals last year.
Everyone else is just jealous that you build your team exactly how they all dream of their team being built: extremely smart and competent front office, load up on draft picks and hit on basically all of them. And since you did it and they didn’t, it must be rigged in your favor.
They did call it evenly. The missed flagrant was bad, I’ve never once denied that, but this is literally the exact same shit as what Hartenstein did to Wemby. You said to “look at the pictures,” well I could take screenshots of this video and make every single thing look worse than Hartenstein pulling his hair.
You are extremely biased here, you can’t see that this is the exact same as Hartenstein on Wemby, you just refuse to see it. This is the exact same shit as it, I’ve watched clips of this and clips of Hartenstein and it’s the same exact kinda shit (outside of the hair pull. Again, I’m not denying that. But one missed call over forty eight minutes isn’t bad, it’s ROUGH to call a game live in full speed.)
It was wild in the game thread. I was like “this happens to literally every superstar especially in the playoffs.” Like I remember watching Shaq back in the day and the defenses he dealt with were borderline assault lol. I get it being annoying when it’s your team because we hyper fixate on our team but this is sort of how it’s been for a while lol
Did you actually watch this video? Not once is a player grabbing and pulling an arm.
I think the part that makes the Hartensetin stuff so scummy to me, is the potential for injury. This shit happened all Timberwolves series too, and it was bullshit then too. You can’t just pull on players arms while they make plays on the ball. That’s just ripe for an injury and it’s not even in the bounds of defense.
Like this video shows Spurs players with Hands on Shai, but they’re never pulling him. You can classify fouls differently. It’s not about physicality, it’s how it’s not even a basketball play to grab lock up a players arm. It’s not a basketball play to pull a players hair.
Can we admit that there’s a difference between impeding movement off ball of a player who has no impact on the current play and literally grabbing a dude during a play and pulling him away so that he cannot block shots or dunk a ball?
Refs called a great game 1. Different Refs called a terrible game 2.
I see what you did there
So Hartenstein is ruining playoff basketball and should be banned for his crimes, but this isn’t unfair and totally okay? Because the other threads sure sound like that…
You see: Hartenstein plays for the Thunder (worse than Nazi Germany) and these guys play for the Spurs (better than the Avengers), there’s a huge difference there.
It’s also funny cause Wemby was returning the favor to Hart and our other bigs but no one gives a shit about that lol
I mean, are we comparing this to yanking a man by his locks?
Are we comparing that to diving at a guy’s legs? You can play this game forever
The problem is people can link a TON of examples of it being done to Wemby by multiple people. So far this is he only clip I have seen (and I admit I know it happened a few times more). Don’t take my word for it. Go look at the highlights being posted.
The issue is you are comparing apples to oranges. In this clip alone you see them basically hugging and SGA is grabbing back trying to shift their weight to get free. What is happening here is they are trying to deny the ball entry pass. While what is happening to Wembys is not a play on the ball.
What people are frustrated with is every single player OKC can hold and push off the ball. Every screen, every rebound, every fast break.
It isn’t fun to watch and trying to act like it is the same thing is ruining the game.
You don’t see nearly as many clips because anything OKC related that isn’t negative is mass downvoted and not talked about.
I mean the post of Wemby diving at SGA’s legs got deleted lol
Everyone loves playoff physicality until they run into playoff physicality.
I see both fanbases are getting along!!!
Honestly it’s so boring just endless crying.
We get a 7 game series between two incredible teams led by historic superstars with elite talent surrounding them.
No-one here even wants to talk about the basketball. It’s 100% drama. I dislike the endless Wemby circlejerk but I’d take that over this whinefest
Eh just the nature of the beast. Just gotta find the people willing to talk some ball. Its hard but there are some.
Being active on this sub it’s easy to identify the people who actually want to talk basketball instead of constant complainers(applies for both fanbases obviously)
I just pick my spots to enter the convos now lol
Same! And honestly sometimes its fun to poke at it. I’ve been poking at the whining all night while binging some TV 🤣
Honestly its way past time for bed
Yeh, you simply sort by controversial to find the real discussion.
It’s just annoying to get on the sub wanting to talk during the game and the first 20 posts are all the same thing said differently. “Look at this foul! Isn’t that crazy? It’s all rigged!!”
Yeah I get it. This sub is a lot a lot of the times. Sometimes I’m surprised there’s any of you left to comment in here lol
lol well a lot of us go to the Thunder sub during the game now and just wait until the next day when all the teenagers get off the sub and the adults can talk normally.
Teenagers and gambling addicts
Was talking to a friend about this, can’t even see any highlights from the game. All the posts (except for the nasty Castle dunk) are about fouls of some sort. And any Thunder post is guaranteed to have less than 500 upvotes if it’s positive about them.
I miss the days of highlights and big moments. Mods should just ban whiny threads.
Boohoo, I’m going to get downvoted to oblivion because this is clearly a Thunder safe space, but y’all’s victim complex is obnoxious.
Is it too much to ask for decent discussion about what’s been one of the most fun series the NBA has had in years? Literally all discourse has been fouls
THIS sub is just for highlights and hot takes. Basketball discussion is better in some of the smaller NBA subs.
Love seeing our boys hug and tug on each other while all sweaty and hot
Woah there! Pause!
Wemby/Hartenstein HBO series when???🥺
When a guy is banging you
Hey I like you guys
I don’t really have a problem with the Thunder either and have mostly pleasant interactions.
I think some of your brothers and sisters are a little sensitive but I completely understand why. I think there’s also very vocal Spurs fans who love to complain.
And then a lot of the vocal neutrals hate OKC which is why I understand the sensitivity.
I’m just kinda enjoying the back and forth and interject every so often while watching Cross on Amazon lol
It’s not Spurs fans. Look at the front page of this sub right now. Look at every basketball sub right now. If we’re “defensive”, I’m not even sure what to describe the rest of NBA online fandom. In need of immediate psychiatric care, maybe?
But yeah most of my interactions w Spurs fans have been chill going back decades. Lived in Austin for a long time and dig San Antonio a lot as a town, got to go to some badass Dirk/Duncan showdowns in Dallas before the Thunder even existed, never had a real problem w y’all.
Tbf I think most fanbases are looney. Even anyone even recognizes me, I don’t think I’m well liked in the Spurs sub because I’m mostly just there to say “this is an overreaction” but I’ve stopped doing it as much because its not all that helpful.
Anyway my parents are from Oklahoma so most of my family is there. I covered high school sports in Oklahoma for a year. I was even an OU fan growing up. I worked for a Thunder blog for a year. So its just very hard to dislike the Thunder for me.
But honestly sports hate in general isnt really in me anymore. Best I can so is sometimes criticizing Luka fans and Lukas playstyle lol
Texas don’t deserve these teams.
The players are hugging and the fans should follow suit
I just hope everyone has fun!
Delete this , it doesn’t fit the agenda
They will just gotta wake up first
I watch Curry defended like this for years. Is this not normal?
it is pretty normal yeah but the internet wants to pretend only one side was grabbing guys tonight so
It is normal. We’re not complaining. We’re pointing out that we can do this fake outrage thing for any star player. Today people saw Wemby held off-ball and thought it was special.
This would be the lightest playoff coverage Steph’s gotten in a decade
It is. The problem is that people have insane selective outrage
Steph has the worst whistle in the league so no its not
Glad someone is showing this off
Can’t cry about ihart if you ignore the stuff they are doing to SGA
I’m not a fan of either team.
I don’t think anything in the clip compares to hartensteins grabbing. Like did you watch the game? It was very different type of grabbing.
I’m happy with letting them play and not call a lot I think it’s more enjoyable but this is not like proof to let what hartenstein did be okay. Hartenstein is probably getting fined.
Hah yeah I’m not sure people watched the game or even the clip OP posted from what I’m reading.
Thunder fans tryna gaslight on Reddit today. These aren’t the same at all lmao
So the narrative went from to OKC being able to hack anyone and not being able to get hacked back without them getging calls and now that’sbeing disproven, you gotta move the goalpost? And Thunder fans are the ones tryna gaslight?
Won’t get the attention it deserves but thank you for this. Fwiw Thunder fans don’t care if these are called, just don’t understand why this app has decided to only care about fitting a predetermined narrative instead of fairly reacting to the actual game being played.
I’m considering taking it down and reposting tomorrow when more people are active.
Might be the move tbh, just expect the vitriol to heat up too lol. Thunder fans and real objective hoops fans will back you tho. There’s literally dozens of us!
I’m pulling for SAS tbh, but the hate boner this sub has for y’all is ridiculous. You’re a great team, and part of me wants you to win just to see the all timer levels of salt here.
it doesn’t count when you play for the thunder, don’t you know?
Flirting vs harassment
No, no, no, no, no. You insulted them a little bit. You got a little bit out of order yourself.
This is literally the same screen navigation defense every perimeter defender on OKC plays in the playoffs lmao. Bit different from grabbing hair or holding someone down on D. Disingenuous as hell
Yes, you are being disingenuous. Your whole fan base is upset about Hart’s defense on Wemby when it’s nearly identical to your guards holding Shai. You can’t use the hair example as a catch all. That’s disingenuous. What about Wemby diving at Shai’s knees or lowering his shoulder into AC?
Yea idk about identical lol holding and pinning Wembys arms so he has to literally play with one arm is the same as sga running off a screen while castle grabbing his jersey… seems a bit different
“lowering is shoulder into AC”
Disillusioned dumbass holy shit. No wonder the dumbest state has fans like you
As if Texas is in any way different from Oklahoma.
Texas is quite a bit away from being the least educated state in the nation, so yes it is “as if”
You guys are ranked #41…
quite a bit away from being the least educated state
See? If you had received a better education you would understand that 41st is absolutely not “quite a bit away” from the bottom.
And yet unironically, the average Texan has an IQ of 100, while the average Oklahoman has an IQ of 99.3.
So even with all that “education”, yall are just as inherently smart as the average Oklahoman lmao
Sure you’re right about the hair example, but comparing that to Wemby diving for what is clearly a loose ball and a smart bait by Caruso to draw a very standard charge from a post-up player is ridiculous lmao. Plus you’ve missed the point - OKC perimeter defenders also defend this way, and so did the Pacers perimeter defenders last Finals, and so on. That’s allowed. What is NOT allowed, even in the playoffs, is grabbing a defender on the arm or from behind every single time he tries to rotate over on the help and Hart got away with that to a comical extent tonight.
Hi, Warriors fan here, we know what the Spurs are doing to Shai because that’s what the Rockets did to Steph last year in the first round. No, it’s not identical to what you guys are doing to Wemby.
Identical? Show me clips of shais arm being grabbed with two hands and pulled off ball with no call on offense and defense.
Oh so literally the same as Hartenstein with Wemby. Physical defense. But this has 17 upvotes. This sub really has gone to complete shit
You see: IHart plays on the Thunder who are the worst team in league history with a guy who has never scored when not on the Free Throw Line who opposing players have never touched once in any game ever: only here because the refs prop them up because Oklahoma City is such a huge market, and these guys play on the Spurs, the best team in league history with an eight foot tall Jordan/LeBron/Curry super hybrid who only didn’t go undefeated because the evil Adam Silver, Tony Brothers, and Scott Foster want to hold them down.
I hope that clears up the issues with the difference in perspective and opinion here.
Ihart was ripping wembys arms out of his socket lnao
You really love a hyperbole
Oh shit! Wemby is playing with two dislocated shoulders???
Spurs good Okc bad
I genuinely believe this sub wants the refs to actually totally rig the games, but in favor of the teams they like/against the teams they don’t. It’s insane.
This sub would openly celebrate game 3 being blatantly rigged for the Spurs if it were to happen. Absolutely wild how far off the deep end reddit has gone with its views towards OKC.
This sub would rather the refs call 50 free throws for the Spurs and 2 for the Thunder every game, and even then people would say “It’s about how they got those 2 free throws!!”
“There’s just no way today’s stars could deal with physicality like in the 80s and 90s”
I enjoy the physical play allowed, I’d rather see 82-80 final score where offenses have to run a half court set than a 144 points win like the Knicks had last round.
Personally I think leaning and pushing against each other is fine I’d never want to see that called as long as nobody is getting thrown to the ground for real. I think a lot of holding the jersey is questionable and when people start hooking arms or just flat out holding wrists/hands/arms it should be called 100% of the time or anything similar like stepping on top of people’s feet. We want to see them fight for position and play tough but we do want to still be watching basketball at the end of the day basically
This is what gets me about all the Thunder hate. I watch these games and I’m seeing both teams playing with a lot of physicality and I’m watching thinking “yeah this is playoff basketball, this is the intensity I like to see!”
And then I go to reddit and Twitter and Instagram and all I see is just the most over the top, tear-filled outrage over how the Thunder are making a mockery of the sport and how it’s literal terrorism.
And then I’m watching guys fall on a lot of possessions, lots of bodies hitting the deck left and right, but once again I go to social media and it’s just compilations of only SGA falling on some shots and it’s as if the man has literally just nuked Gaza or something.
The hivemind is so wild to watch I genuinely don’t understand it but I have been enjoying the salt and the coping.
u/AffectionateDark9270 there’s some footage of Shai getting defended like Wemby, maybe you gotta go to the eye doctor now
Regular defense lmao
You really should schedule that eye exam.
I need to see some Spurs Gortat screens tbh. It would cut down the turnovers on drives
I loved your guys half court 5-4 pin down screen play. That worked all 3 times so well
Shhh… you’ll stir up the hive
Shout out to our boi /u/MrBuckBuck
King of the agenda posters!
Grabbing and holding all night, and this whole sub is acting like only OKC does it. Absolute madness!
touche
I’m genuinely shocked this hasn’t been removed and/or downvoted into oblivion already lol
It was called (not called) the same on both ends of the court. The mass hysteria over last night is ridiculous.
There’s not enough blame being put on the broadcast network. They were clearly only showing the casual NBA fan that Wemby was getting held, meanwhile there’s not one clip showing SGA getting the Steph Curry treatment all game. That isn’t going to help anything at all.
Just a horrible job from NBC last night.
JUST HUG HIM BACK SHAI!
It would be the same if castle was holding one of his arms on an entry pass or when he shoots.
Wemby had like 10 one handed rebounds because one arm was held the entire time. Those were holds within the play not off ball defense
I’m a Spurs fan. Call these too. Now what? IHart still pulled Castle to the ground by his hair with 3 refs staring right at it and no call and Isaiah Joe had a ridiculous flop to get a foul on Barnes.
Call these and SGA would get 20 FTs and yall still be crying
If anyone gets fouled and deserves free throws, they should get them. I wouldn’t care about that.
These are really different than grabbing wembys arm and pulling while he’s going for a rebound
Or intentionally stepping on his foot during a free throw attempt.
Fans use to praise physical playoff basketball because the competition is so much better. Now everyone cries every time someone gets grabbed or fouled as if that hasn’t been the case in playoffs for decades. SMH.
Btw the one of iHart on Wemby has 11k upvotes and this one has 200
Need to straight up tackle him next time. Five yard gain. Second down
Thanks for making the compilation lol. Let’s see how long this gets left up for to protect their precious narrative.
You’re doing this wrong mane, apparently each missed call should be it’s own thread
Though you might need to switch the jerseys to avoid mass downvotes
We should actually do this with some ai video editing
100 upvotes max
Pure and ethical wow
Wait! This doesn’t fit the narrative that I have heard!
THAT GUY HAS 2 HANDS ON SGA, SHOULD I CLIP IT AND POST IT TO r/NBA TO SHOW EVERYONE HOW DIRTY THE SPURS ARE?
Spurs adapted their strategy after seeing how the refs were calling the game.
This has the same energy as jokic fans who would say “he only flops to make it fair to play vs the rival team flopping so is actually thwir fault”
Ok now this is what you call physical play. Of course there are fouls but there’s a big difference with this and OKC grabbing Wemby for making him not contest on defense. That is dirty. That’s unfair.
This is what you call excuses. People have been crying about Wemby being held, but this is fine? Atp, yall write the jokes themselves. Can’t expect a Spurs fan to be unbiased
We had to use two of our challenges. You guys pull hairs, step on foot, obvious grabbing and holding and we started to match your bullshit. I’m not even mentioning your bullshit flopping. Even though Sam Presti is a Spurs organization product, your entire organization including your coach is a disgrace. You’re the representation of all the wrong things in NBA.
Who tf is you guys? I like the Hornets man. It’s just funny to see yall act like whiny losers whenever OKC wins. Spurs win, and it’s all about how Wemby is a generational player that is even better than 2013 Bron(I saw 3 posts like that), and how SGA is a fraud. Spurs lose, and all of a sudden the refs are all against Spurs, OKC is flopping, and all the other shit you guys make up. It’s pathetic especially from a fanbase that was known to have generationally dirty players like Bruce Bowen. Just take the L when you lose, just like how OKC should if they lose.
Imagine whining about flopping when Wemby’s first literal possession in Game 2 was a flop on IHart(his first foul).
You guys were spreading the narrative that OKC hacks and fouls and how other teams aren’t able to play any sort of defense on them. Now that the post is shown to disprove that, you move the goalpost. Unironically, Spurs fans are what people think OKC fans are. Insufferable. And most of yall aren’t even actual Spurs fans. Yall are just Wemby stans. Same thing with alot Nuggets stans being mainly Jokic fans that are Eastern European. Bandwagoners.
Just rewatch the game and analyze every single position. Count every wrong call against both teams. Like I said once we realized we weren’t getting fair calls, we just matched their bullshit.
I have not said anything bad about SGA. His MVPs are extremely well deserved and he’s a once in decade type of player. That doesn’t change the fact that they flop a lot more than every other team. Just rewatch Harrison Barnes position which caused us to 3 points.
I don’t give a fuck. This actually what “being physical” looks like. This isn’t some cheap gimmick like stepping on dudes feet, holding one arm down on layups and rebounds, or flopping at the slightest bit of contact received in return.
Now show an even remotely comparable play to the Joe flop or Castle getting his hair pullled or Chet stepping on Wemby’s foot. You fucking can’t because they don’t exist.
Wemby dove at Shai’s knees. Wemby cartoon dove out of bounds on a rebound against the Wolves (while also not being suspended for a premeditated elbow to Naz’ neck). Castle held Shai’s arms on a 2 on 1 drive in OT and no call was made. Harper elbowed Chet in the head on a rebound and Chet was called for a foul; OKC challenged it only for the call to be upheld. Be objective for a single minute.
“Dove at his knees” and it’s just a play on the ball
On a rebound that was actually a foul, unlike Joe falling untouched
Elbow was correctly called and he was ejected, hair pull was not called
Shai wasn’t fouled and took a dumbass layup instead of passing the rock
Chet jumped into Harper and took incidental contact
Get over yourself you fucking freak, watching that team has fucked your brain more than living in Oklahoma already has.
lol this subreddit crucified Solomon Hill for the same thing.
You’re getting super emotional about this, lmfao
Everyone agrees with you. Thunder fans just gaslighting at this point
Who is everyone? You seem to be the
I’ve literally seen people cry because Wemby faced this same sort of defense from IHart. You’re literally trying to gaslight most people rn that this is somehow fair defense when Wemby’s gets held similarly to this.
Is this supposed to be bad??? Lmao every star guard gets guarded like this off ball bro.
Shai was literally holding onto him back in the first play am I tripping
Yeah your missing the spurs players arm around the head of sga
I’m sorry. Are we pretending any of these are half as bad as any of Hartenstein’s tonight? Even in the first replay** it shows Shai go and bear hug Champagnie. Again. Worse than any other one here. There is a lot of light holding, sure. But are they the same?
What we’re doing is simply not pretending that only one team is grabbing and holding
Wemby was also doing the same shit Hartenstein was doing but it’s getting ignored lol
Wemby was holding the fuck out of chet on the last rebound of OT last game and no one cared lol
Im not saying I want that called but no one seems to care what Wemby does
It’s an odd double standard that makes this place a terrible place to talk hoops. Really unfortunate
Wemby is getting fouled on the play not off ball.
If you ever see Wemby go for a one handed rebound, its 100% because the other arm is being held down.
Sure. I think there is value in that in general.. But they are being compared, and I think there should be no real comparison here. Also, I feel as though we are falling into the “physical playoffs” trap. I feel like(and this is just my definition so maybe I am incorrect) it means you should expect more contact with less of a whistle. Not people being held down as they go up for rebounds.
Wemby flails a lot more
BRUH HE GRABBED WEMBY FOR SURE. AND THAT ONE TIME HE CAME DOWN ONTO CASTLES HEAD? WTF SUSPEND HIM AND FINE HIM FOR SURE. JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH WEMBY WHEN HE FULL ON COCKED BACK AND FUCKING ELBOWED A MAN IN HIS FACE. SAME PUNISHMENT FOR SURE.
Basketball’s always been officiated this way. Off-ball jostling for position has always been a part of the game, and it gets more physical the closer it is to the basket
Most of the bad ones were called, some of them were missed (which always happens with off-ball play, there’s only 3 refs) and those things tend to even out over the course of the game, which they have
None of the players or coaches are complaining about it cause they know this is how it is, both teams are coached this way. Nembhard and nesmith did the same stuff last year while guarding him 94 feet, and did the same thing to brunson
Its hilarious, these kiddy fouls being compared to iharts hacking lmao
You are comparing hand checking to okc trying to pull wembys arms out of his sockets every game. Dug through all this footage for that genuinely pathetic. Imagine wemby was defended like this off ball.
you should really learn what hand checking is before trying to make smarmy comments like this
You should watch how ihart defended wemby and make a better attempt than this
sure looks pretty similar to what we see here!
No it doesnt ihart grabbed wembys arms with to hands pulling them.
So youre telling me you don’t see any arm grabbing, or jersey grabbing for that matter, in these clips?
Would you agree that none of this is comparable to grabbing a guys arm and pulling him away from actively trying to block a shot or dunk a ball?
Nothing close absolutely not
Brother do you know what hand checking is? It doesn’t mean you can just grab your dude lmao. It’s a hand check, not a hand grab. The point is to have a feel over where your defender is going, not grabbing them or pulling their jersey.
And Wemby dove into Shais legs.
Damn OKC stayed up late to try and convince us that handchecking lighter than Dort and Caruso is somehow the exact same as hair pulling or jerking Wemby’s arm at the elbow.
Rules for thee, not for me.
Hand checking means you can put a hand on the offensive player as they make a move. It does not mean you can wrap a hand around them or grab them.
For the record, I don’t think these should be called in the playoffs. But I’m tired of people thinking hand checking meant you could pull a jersey or some bullshit. It just meant you could put a hand on them to keep track of them. That’s literally it lol.
Am I tripping? These are all good physical defense. This is nothing compared to what’s being done to Wemby lmao.
“Good physical defense”. The classic excuse. It’s just physical defense when my team is doing it, but when other teams do it to you, it’s fouling. Lol
And you’re a Spurs fan
Bro. I see no arm grabbing, stepping on foot and hair pulling stuff from these?
First couple of seconds is literally Castle hugging SGA and then Champagnie doing the same thing. Grabbing arms is a problem but grabbing someone’s body to give them a nice warm hug isn’t? Delusional
The hair pulling was literally once. Not even justifying it, but it happened once. Even if it didn’t happen, yall would still be whining about calls.
The second play is a very clear moving screen by Wallace
Yes this is illegal defense against SGA, but this is the culture of basketball that the Thunder have created. The Thunder play dirty. Every. Single. Game. What else do you expect when OKC normalizes this type of play?
Or maybe you’re for the very first time considering that other teams play this way too and nothing about okc is unique or egregious
No one, and I mean no one in any discussion thread, has said that any other team in the NBA doesn’t flop or play illegal defense.
But OKC by far is the most egregious and frequent offenders lmao. Just look at the game tonight.
To say otherwise is just flat out living in denial.
if you say so
It’s the truth. For every clip you post there are about a dozen more of the thunder doing the same thing or worse.
I truly believe you people aren’t this dense. Every single year people will hate on the best team, but no team outside of the Thunder has been accused of playing dirty basketball this universally in decades.
No one hates the Thunder because they are good lmao. Use your thinking skills a little, y’all need to beat those 49th in education allegations.
You’re arguing against points I haven’t even made which is a little odd but okay.
You’re typing all that and yet still saying a whole lot of nothing 😭✌️
But if this is the “consequences”, why do yall act like SGA doesn’t get hacked and gets calls willy nilly? Because last I remember, the problem people had was that OKC could hold Wemby and other players but you can’t do the same back without them getting calls
So you’re admitting that you don’t actually care about playing physical defense, but you just don’t like it when OKC does it?