Key_Progress_6557

479 | 8 hours ago

How many times has the dpoy been in the top 3 voting race for mvp too in this list.

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

314 | 8 hours ago

garnett and howard, so DPOY 2-0

edit: dwight was 4th, this is wrong my bad. Next year he was 2nd. Moncrief was also 4th in 1983, and that was his highest mvp placement.

Key_Progress_6557

63 | 8 hours ago

Ok, thanks

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

37 | 7 hours ago

updated, i just checked dwight was 4th. So just garnett.

Key_Progress_6557

13 | 7 hours ago

Yeah still top 5 in mvp voting meaning they had more impact on the offensive end than the rest. Thanks for checking

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

6 | 7 hours ago

moncrief was also 4th in 1983

Key_Progress_6557

6 | 7 hours ago

Okay thanks for the update

Subject_Profit_7245

13 | 7 hours ago

Dwight really was him

CorporateHobbyist | 76ers

243 | 8 hours ago

DPOYs are generally judged less on overall team performance than MVPs are. It makes sense that the MVPs team beats the DPOYs team on average.

gjaxx

157 | 7 hours ago

Also the MVP is the better player lol

Jamar1James23

-6 | 3 hours ago

Except in this case

gjaxx

-7 | 3 hours ago

Not

Qelop

-41 | 7 hours ago

not always

Hammerhead34 | Timberwolves

90 | 7 hours ago

Almost universally lmao

Just look at every single matchup on the list above, the MVP is EASILY the better player than the opposing DPOY outside of possibly KG vs Kobe, and even that would be a hot take.

And I know this subreddit hates SGA and is desperate to crown Wemby as the new best player in the world but he’s not better than SGA yet.

guillaume_rx

5 | 7 hours ago

I’d nuance this:

Wemby is not better than SGA for now, especially because he’s not as consistent offensively. SGA is a consistency machine on offense.

Like: all-time consistency.

Wemby is consistently the best player on the floor on defense by a landslide, but offense is considered to have more weight.

BUT:

On certain days, Wemby already looks like the best player in the world.

I think the people who say otherwise haven’t been paying attention…

At least to me, a DPOY, (and not “any DPOY”), who can stretch the floor on offense, has a virtually unguardable jump shot, and puts up 30+ points on your head in 29 minutes, is the best player in the world when he’s on.

Hammerhead34 | Timberwolves

21 | 6 hours ago

Part of being the best player in the world is looking like the best player in the world EVERY day though, not just on certain days.

And yes, Wemby’s floor as an all time defender means he’s always going to be insanely impactful on a game to game basis even if he has an off night offensively.

But elite offense has always been more valuable than elite defense in the NBA, and Wemby’s offensive game is nowhere near as polished or consistent as SGA’s yet. I’m not saying he won’t get there, and wouldnt be surprised if it’s VERY soon. But I don’t see the rush to place him above SGA at this very moment.

guillaume_rx

0 | 6 hours ago

Yeah 100% agreed!

StrawberryItten | Spurs

-3 | 6 hours ago

But elite offense has always been more valuable than elite defense in the NBA

I firmly disagree. Offense has been pushed more, but there’s a reason defense had to be made harder and harder.

throwawaymycareer93 | Warriors

1 | 4 hours ago

After all, defence wins championships

gjaxx

4 | 6 hours ago

You typed all this bullshit out to say absolutely nothing of substance lmao

guillaume_rx

3 | 6 hours ago

English is not my native language, but I think it’s pretty straight foward:

If somebody gets a score between ⁹²⁄₁₀₀ and ⁹⁸⁄₁₀₀, and gets the highest average in the class, with ⁹⁵⁄₁₀₀, he’s the best in the class.

There’s just another kid who varies between 85 and 100.

His average is 92.⁵⁄₁₀₀. Still pretty good, but not as good.

So not the best.

But when he scores 100, it’s like nothing you’ve ever seen.

Does that work better for you?

MugsyTheSmokage | Spurs

-2 | 5 hours ago

I think the narrative that SGA is better will hopefully die next week. There is no one better than Wemby in on-off that we have ever seen. From January through the post season he is +26.4. That’s the highest mark of all time. I think people are deluding themselves if they think a 7’6 stretch big with the most measured defensive impact ever isn’t the best player in the league.

Qelop

-13 | 7 hours ago

kg vs kobe is a toss up, so is sga vs wemby

gigglios

21 | 7 hours ago

No kobe kg in 08 was not a toss up lol

commander_wong | Lakers

2 | 7 hours ago

Knowing how this sub is about Kobe I already knew what was coming at the “not always” lol

getoveritseattle | Thunder

3 | 7 hours ago

You are a bad take merchant.

wordswontcomeout | Spurs

0 | 4 hours ago

Agreed. Especially this year 😜

nonresponsive

23 | 8 hours ago

Also, historically, MVPs go to the top seed teams. And yea, I don’t think DPOYs have that same restriction.

whatssenguntoagoblin | Alperen Sengun

13 | 7 hours ago

Eh it’s def a factor. Just not as much for MVP. Especially the last 7 years

Season	Player	Team	Playoff Seed
1982–83	Sidney Moncrief	Milwaukee Bucks	2nd (East)
1983–84	Sidney Moncrief	Milwaukee Bucks	2nd (East)
1984–85	Mark Eaton	Utah Jazz	6th (West)
1985–86	Alvin Robertson	San Antonio Spurs	8th (West)
1986–87	Michael Cooper	Los Angeles Lakers	1st (West)
1987–88	Michael Jordan	Chicago Bulls	3rd (East)
1988–89	Mark Eaton	Utah Jazz	2nd (West)
1989–90	Dennis Rodman	Detroit Pistons	1st (East)
1990–91	Dennis Rodman	Detroit Pistons	3rd (East)
1991–92	David Robinson	San Antonio Spurs	5th (West)
1992–93	Hakeem Olajuwon	Houston Rockets	2nd (West)
1993–94	Hakeem Olajuwon	Houston Rockets	2nd (West)
1994–95	Dikembe Mutombo	Denver Nuggets	8th (West)
1995–96	Gary Payton	Seattle SuperSonics	1st (West)
1996–97	Dikembe Mutombo	Atlanta Hawks	4th (East)
1997–98	Dikembe Mutombo	Atlanta Hawks	5th (East)
1998–99	Alonzo Mourning	Miami Heat	1st (East)
1999–00	Alonzo Mourning	Miami Heat	2nd (East)
2000–01	Dikembe Mutombo	Philadelphia 76ers	1st (East)
2001–02	Ben Wallace	Detroit Pistons	2nd (East)
2002–03	Ben Wallace	Detroit Pistons	1st (East)
2003–04	Ron Artest	Indiana Pacers	1st (East)
2004–05	Ben Wallace	Detroit Pistons	2nd (East)
2005–06	Ben Wallace	Detroit Pistons	1st (East)
2006–07	Marcus Camby	Denver Nuggets	6th (West)
2007–08	Kevin Garnett	Boston Celtics	1st (East)
2008–09	Dwight Howard	Orlando Magic	3rd (East)
2009–10	Dwight Howard	Orlando Magic	2nd (East)
2010–11	Dwight Howard	Orlando Magic	4th (East)
2011–12	Tyson Chandler	New York Knicks	7th (East)
2012–13	Marc Gasol	Memphis Grizzlies	5th (West)
2013–14	Joakim Noah	Chicago Bulls	4th (East)
2014–15	Kawhi Leonard	San Antonio Spurs	6th (West)
2015–16	Kawhi Leonard	San Antonio Spurs	2nd (West)
2016–17	Draymond Green	Golden State Warriors	1st (West)
2017–18	Rudy Gobert	Utah Jazz	5th (West)
2018–19	Rudy Gobert	Utah Jazz	5th (West)
2019–20	Giannis Antetokounmpo	Milwaukee Bucks	1st (East)
2020–21	Rudy Gobert	Utah Jazz	1st (West)
2021–22	Marcus Smart	Boston Celtics	2nd (East)
2022–23	Jaren Jackson Jr.	Memphis Grizzlies	2nd (West)
2023–24	Rudy Gobert	Minnesota Timberwolves	3rd (West)
2024–25	Evan Mobley	Cleveland Cavaliers	1st (East)
2025–26	Victor Wembanyama	San Antonio Spurs	2nd (West)

Smooth-Screen-1437

6 | 7 hours ago

It is a factor, in the sense its easier to tell someone’s defensive impact if their team is really good.

Bad teams with a good defender will often be overlooked.

tayyarkurdan44

2 | 7 hours ago

great info, i would not that DPOYs are that often top 3 seed.

mioraka | Raptors

1 | 7 hours ago

The ability for teams and media to evaluate defensive impact increased drastically in the past 10 years or so.

That definitely has an impact on DPOY voting, it used to be a best blocker type of award

_Parkertron_ | San Diego Clippers

5 | 7 hours ago

Additionally, MVP take into account the team’s record. This is not the case for DPOY, so makes sense the MVP team wins more often

OnionFutureWolfGang

2 | 5 hours ago

I don’t believe that anyone has mentioned this yet but I believe that in the NBA, the MVP is more likely to be a player on a team that has lots of wins and not many losses, whereas this appears to be less of a factor in the voting for defensive player of the year.

ChuuchiShamgod | Heat

188 | 8 hours ago

Among these DPOYs listed, only Kevin Garnett has won MVP. Dwight Howard, and Sidney Moncrief finishing 4th in MVP in 2009 and 1983 respectively. And those two series went 4-2 and 4-1. Numbers haven’t released yet but I imagine Wemby will be in the top 3 for MVP.

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

100 | 7 hours ago

“finalist” means top 3 in that award. MVP finalists got released a while ago— wemby is top 3.

ChuuchiShamgod | Heat

13 | 7 hours ago

Good point

Spemanz92 | Thunder

18 | 7 hours ago

From what we know from the public votes, he will be 3rd most likely

Hiitsmichael | Spurs

4 | 7 hours ago

Didn’t the straw poll thats correctly predicted the winner and order the last 10 years have him at 2nd? Tim bontemps straw poll

DistinctMains

12 | 7 hours ago

A lot of voters revealed their ballots and Jokic has more 1st and 2nd place votes than him.

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

1 | 7 hours ago

That poll does correctly predict the winner, the exact order I’m not sure. And Wemby was in second on that one.

Based on the released votes, though, Jokic was in second but it was close enough to be indeterminate based on the current set of revealed votes. Can look up mvp tracker nba reddit and there will be a link in a reddit post if you wanted to view that

Spemanz92 | Thunder

1 | 4 hours ago

I dunno if it was 10 years, but it has been right regarding winner and order for a few years now yeah

Chapea12 | Nets

24 | 7 hours ago

I imagine the mvp was favorite is almost all of those series

robinsn45 | Knicks

5 | 4 hours ago

The only one I know the MVP wasnt favored was Kobe and the Lakers vs KG and the 08 Celtics.

BoasyTM

22 | 7 hours ago

What did DPOY Tyson chandler do to you?

sgtpepperslaststand | Cavaliers

6 | 7 hours ago

Oops

Vegetable-Tooth8463 | Hornets

1 | 5 hours ago

what was the typo

sgtpepperslaststand | Cavaliers

1 | 4 hours ago

Tyson Chandler was the only one I forgot to put DPOY infront of

Vegetable-Tooth8463 | Hornets

1 | 3 hours ago

oh lol

Old_Supermarket_7575 | Thunder

13 | 7 hours ago

What if the DPOY was also MVP caliber

tompengu | Thunder

9 | 8 hours ago

That’s pretty interesting. It’s cool there are a few instances of it happening in the Finals. I wonder when that will happen again.

nsfwpenguins | Spurs

10 | 6 hours ago

Not anytime soon, Wemby can’t beat himself, as he will be winning MVP and DPOY for a while.

InfectPlayer | Thunder

5 | 6 hours ago

He’s gotta be able to play 65 games every year for that to have a chance of happening

Vegetable-Tooth8463 | Hornets

-7 | 5 hours ago

It’s funny how Spurs fans like u/nsfwpenguins keep conveniently forgetting the man still hasn’t played a single season of 65 games lol.

Sy_ThePhotoGuy | SAS

9 | 4 hours ago

He literally played 71 games his rookie season and 65 games this season if you count the midseason championship against the Knicks (which counted for games played for awards)

RiloAlDente | Spurs

7 | 4 hours ago

Wemby played 71 his rookie year.

Vegetable-Tooth8463 | Hornets

1 | 3 hours ago

I was wrong.

vindictivejazz | Thunder

1 | 5 hours ago

Even if Wemby falls short in either category (or both, if he misses the games req) I can’t see this happening for a while as most of the other candidates for those awards are also in the west.

Unless Wemby gets hurt and DPOY Scottie Barnes leads a miracle finals run for the Raptors

PopsNY

7 | 5 hours ago

Filter for when the DPOY can also score 20ppg.

DarkStar668

5 | 8 hours ago

Rudy is the king of TS tho

soudlasantos

13 | 7 hours ago

That fadeaway versus Jokic game 7 broke Nuggets, after that Timberwolves became their daddy

pick-and-hoop | Spurs

1 | 6 hours ago

They’re the biggest rivals in the league, I think the Wolves only lead by one or two games in their overall last 20 encounters

volkof | Nuggets

-2 | 5 hours ago

Funny how only one of those two teams won a chip after beating the other in the playoffs

NerdLawyer55 | Thunder

2 | 6 hours ago

Hmm that’s actually pretty interesting

Mayy0433

2 | an hour ago

7-3 in favor of MVPs makes intuitive sense, but the margin matters — several of those series were closer than the records suggest. the 2009 cavs/magic series is a good case study: lebron was dominant individually but the magic’s defensive scheme (particularly guarding him off the bounce) neutralized a lot of his scoring creation. the real dynamic here isn’t whether defensive performance wins, it’s whether the DPOY winner represents a true defensive system or just individual elite play. gobert’s defensive numbers were unreal in 2024, but a one-man rim protection core vs jokic’s playmaking network is really a team construction mismatch more than an individual one.

D3struct_oh | Rockets

1 | 5 hours ago

I don’t need to be any more hyped for this series, thanks.

CottonChopsticks

1 | 4 hours ago

20001 Sixers had both MVP and DPOY but they ran into buzz saw lol

sgtpepperslaststand | Cavaliers

2 | 4 hours ago

And the 6MOY

floatinround22 | Hawks

1 | 31 minutes ago

And the COTY.

But people like to pretend that team sucked outside of Iverson. They were basically the 2011 Bulls (and the current Thunder are a supercharged version of those teams)

ScootOverMakeRoom

1 | 4 hours ago

2008 led directly to the events of Uncut Gems.

inefekt | Australia

0 | 2 hours ago

Michael Jordan leading yet another all time list

Slight-Radish-3513

-2 | 6 hours ago

Wemby erases offense to a degree we never seen before. Stop acting like any dpoy is even close

empowered676

-7 | 7 hours ago

Who cares about this

sgtpepperslaststand | Cavaliers

7 | 7 hours ago

I think it’s interesting league history wise when award winners face each other

WaltofWallstreet | Thunder

0 | 7 hours ago

You, clearly

Slight-Radish-3513

-8 | 8 hours ago

Wemby isn’t even dpoy hes the all time best defender

Plus-Cherry8175 | Nuggets

0 | 5 hours ago

No, no he’s not

Slight-Radish-3513

0 | 3 hours ago

You could’ve name a single better defender you ever seen in your life

Plus-Cherry8175 | Nuggets

1 | 3 hours ago

In their primes: Hakeem, Duncan, Russell, Admiral were better. Wemby can get there but he isn’t yet.

steamliner88 | Vancouver Grizzlies

-12 | 7 hours ago

FTA is so bad that I find myself rooting for the Spurs.

WhyNotMosley | NBA

8 | 7 hours ago

found a group thinker

QuileGon-Jin | Thunder

1 | 7 hours ago

Wow

Plus-Cherry8175 | Nuggets

2 | 5 hours ago

Original!

Jamar1James23

1 | 3 hours ago

Dont let the jr high kids silence you

TXtogo | Spurs

-5 | 7 hours ago

Thank you. We need all the karma we can get.

Kindly_Letterhead_98

-19 | 8 hours ago

Okc in 4

Prize-Ring-9154 | San Francisco Warriors

2 | 7 hours ago

OKC wins imo but I’d be shocked it they win that quickly

getoveritseattle | Thunder

4 | 7 hours ago

fuck is wrong with you. did you not watch the portland or wolves series? thunder are no lock. It doesn’t have to be ‘My anime king wemby will best the evil thunder in 3!’ or ‘OKC SGA nuts nuts hang MVP 4-0’ There is middle ground idiot.

Prize-Ring-9154 | San Francisco Warriors

0 | an hour ago

‘there is middle ground’ the loudest users here tend to show no concept of nuance bro just drop it

Civil_Ad2214

-23 | 8 hours ago

Shai will fall over an average of 13 times per game

ChampionOfOctober

13 | 7 hours ago

Wemby is always falling on the ground too, he’s really gotten more egregious with the flopping lately

Civil_Ad2214

-3 | 7 hours ago

I agree. The widespread distaste of Shai’s antics, and those alike, the NBA will make some major changes in the off-season.

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

-2 | 8 hours ago

Embiid averaged 5.25 falls per game vs the knicks, you think sga got that beat? Idk

Civil_Ad2214

-1 | 7 hours ago

That’s also way too many times. Luka is also bad at foul baiting. It’s hard to watch players like them.

With Shai Gilgeous-Alexander winning MVP this will be the 11th time the reigning DPOY and MVP have faced eachother in the playoffs. MVPs are leading 7-3 against DPOY in the playoffs.