Myles Turner says Doc Rivers doesn’t fine players so players are late all the time for practices, film sessions, and even flights. Specifically pointing out Giannis for being late towards team flights and delaying them by up to 2 hours
Doc didn’t want the job. He said he didn’t want it, and even questioned why the Bucks hired him.
Why would he care if people are late? Bro chillin just cashing a check.
I don’t follow the NBA closely at all anymore, is there any possibility of Doc landing another HC gig at this point or has that ship finally sailed?
He claims to be done but he said that last time too
Tbf most of us would stop being done with something for a few million dollars too
Oh without a doubt. I don’t blame him at all. Lol
You hear the brinks truck backing down your driveway, you make a business decision and I can’t hate on that.
Weren’t the Bucks doing well at the time too? Imagine that has to play a little part also.
The history of poaching guys out of retirement is fucking terrible but these owners are fucking morons so don’t be surprised if somebody pays him 5/$75M and he has to come out of retirement again.
How about this: hire somebody who wants to be a head coach.
But lots of money, must be genius
apparently he was telling the truth
It’s hard to say no when someone else is shoving millions of dollars down your throat
Doc only needs about 200 wins to pass Pop for winningest coach of all time, so if a good(ish) team hires him, he could have the record in 5 or so years.
Blazers, Their owner wants a cheap coach, the cheapest coach are coaches who just got fired and another team still pays majority if not all of his salaries.
If Glenn Rivers ends up as head coach for the Trail Blazers, I will eat my Scoot Henderson jersey.
i will demolish the Moda brick by brick with my bare hands dude
You gonna dip it in some kinda sauce or raw dog it? Cause Doc is coming. Doc is inevitable.
Not with an owner that makes Jeanie look like Steve Ballmer
No hot sauce, no nothing. You will remember this day.
Doc Rivers is not moving a muscle for less than $5m a year.
And even that… He’s getting paid about 10 million a year, and will still be paid by the bucks next year lol
Apparently he’s not moving a muscle even when you pay him
Doc ain’t gonna be cheap
Nah he’d have to get a hell of an offer to coach again I bet
Doc saying he just wanna pod now.
Doc somehow lucks into landing HC gigs. My money is on him
Doc has been checked out for years. Dude’s been coasting since 08. Just good enough to not get fired, not good enough for people to set expectations
He’s already in the hall of fame so he’s done, hopefully.
He is done until a team desperately wants him
After his tenure in Philly I thought there would be no chance he got hired again, until Milwaukee hired him. Never say never, some team will be dumb enough to give this man millions
Milwaukee is a poverty franchise who lucked out drafting a generational player and happened to put together a well built team at the exact right moment. All the moves they’ve made since winning just prove it
Regardless of how invested Rivers was, a head coaching job is still an incredible amount of work. Even just the daily schedule is rough.
However, I don’t know why people aren’t taking this as more of an indictment on Giannis than on Rivers. A max player and team leader shouldn’t need the threat of a fine to show up reasonably promptly for practice and flights.
It’s absolutely both. It’s atrocious behaviour from the leader of the team, however a coach who just doesn’t bother to use arguably the most effective disciplinary measure as their team is delaying every flight by two and a half hours and skipping meetings (and it was much more than just a Giannis problem on that) is embarrassingly lazy.
If Giannis is on time, it becomes much easier to fine others for being late.
But if Giannis is the one that’s late, then I doubt Doc actually has the unchecked authority to discipline him. Hard to imagine the GM and ownership would approve of fining Giannis as they’re trying to convince him to stay. And if Giannis isn’t being disciplined, then it’s a pretty bad double standard to fine everyone else for being late.
That said, I’m sure double standards for star players are common across the league and something other players are used to, so it could have been done anyway. But I don’t actually see a clean solution for the coach in this case. Especially since Giannis, as evidenced by how he had the league investigate the Bucks at the end of the season, was seemingly looking for reasons to be unhappy with the organization.
Giannis camp has been leaking that he wants out for 3 years now. Probably just lost his mind when Knicks spent 5 FRP and it could’ve been for him if the Bucks respected his wish, so bro started these passive aggressive attitudes.
idk…why not say no to the job? there’s only 30 slots. give someone else a shot
I can think of 40million reasons why he wouldn’t turn the job down
You hate money or something ?
If someone is throwing money at you, why not take it? Same with Monty and the pistons.
First of all fuck Monty. Second of all, the HC job impacts so many people you should feel a responsibility to give a shit
Exactly, you’re messing with a whole teams worth of players careers. I get the money aspect, but he’s already rich.
I prefer his Pythons instead
Money. Lots of it for only a year and a half of work.
If the other guys can’t beat me out of a spot I don’t want, how is that my fault?
He offered his other son Spencer an assistant coaching job in Milwaukee after stints with Doc’s Philly tenure and Detroit. Spencer was this year’s draft combine scrimmage coach. No seriously
BS. They brought him in as a consultant and had their contingency.
Thank you - he wanted that job, he said he didnt just to throw off the fact he came in behind Adrian
Lol thanks for the reminder .. it’s time to fire the kids execs. Just bad decisions after another
The Monty special. Fuck Tom “More Snow in His Bloodstream Than a Ski Resort” Gores and Troy Weaver always!
So Doc is the Doc Rivers of Monty Williamses?
But he showed his resume to his team
Fucking crazy. Dude legit looked so surprised when people asked him about his hired in interviews.
I wish companies would hire me knowing I would just chill at the job lol
Because nobody put a gun to his head to keep the job. If you keep the job at least try to do basic things. It is work ethics.
Doc Rivers r/antiwork legend
Doc Rivers dogwalker confirmed
But Tim Duncan bringing family is a no no
I mean, doc not allowing it was great for the spurs.
I’m not complaining, just showing how dumb he is
Thank GOD hes always been an idiot
It was a different time, it was probably a different Doc
Really happy for you.
Cries
That made him learn his lesson and now anyone can do whatever they want w/ flights
he learned a lesson why people hating smh
Ever stop to think he regrets that and is why he’s been such a “Player Coach” for the past 15+ Years?
That was a quarter century ago.
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man o man….wow. So is Myles trying to get outta there?
Or Myles knows Giannis isn’t going to be there much longer, so he’s just kinda like, “Idgaf.”
Giannis’ bullshit this year has really made me wonder if he’s lowkey turned into a locker room cancer
Probably isn’t lowkey
Giannis had been a secret douchebag for a while now if you’ve paid attention closely, people are just discovering this the past year with the trade shit. Bucks should’ve traded him 2 years ago
Lebron has gotten more shit for getting his kid an opportunity people didn’t think he deserved than Giannis has gotten for keeping his two brothers employed that have absolutely zero fucking business being in the NBA
Giannis has gotten shit on for years due to nepotism what do you mean?
Sure, by a vocal handful of people on Reddit, but compared to the rest of the sports world, it was nowhere near as discussed as Bronny getting drafted was
LeBron plays for the Lakers
just wait til giannis goes to a big market, its happening to luka & it will happen to him
Yep he says some wild shit and everyone just giggles gannis so funny
The only part of that I question is ‘lowkey’.
Didn’t he more or less publicly call his teammates selfish bums this year who didn’t pass to him enough?
I think it’s more Doc is gone and it’s more likely pigs will fly than Giannis coming back.
I had to double check to confirm that Myles and Giannis are, in fact, teammates…
Myles Turncoat.
Probably a third of the NBA teams could use him. Overpaid, but not so much there wont be a market. Especially when it drives down the cost to obtain him.
What would he stay for???
Problem is, most teams aren’t touching that new contract. Esp with the trade kicker.
I’d take him for a slightly used poetl. Definitely not a scam for the bucks
Definitely
Giannis: I want to be here ^^^an ^^^hour ^^^late .
GPT
…..Giannis People Time?
I was thinking Greek People time.
2 hours late*
I know the plane won’t leave without important people so you can roll up whenever.
I just don’t get the mentality of eh I’ll get there when I get there.
babe wake up Giannis PR is getting bombed again
So wild how this year him and JB who were such universally liked players took such a reputation hit. Really lost my respect for giannis seeing this.
Giannis hasn’t been universally liked in 6⁄7 years lol, especially since the Nets series, Nets and Pacers fans dont mess with him at all
Jaylen Brown has had the conspiracy theory cloud hanging over him for a while now.
He’s said quite a bit of “Kyrie-adjacent” things in the past 3-4 years, including being openly sympathetic to Kyrie’s plight when he was leaving the Nets and agreeing with Kyrie’s more reprehensible views
I think JB went from a bit weird to suspicious stare with his stream. You play all year without your best teammate, you get clocked by your punting ball Sixers in an insane upset, and then you open stream with bunch of weird yes boys in the background and say this was most enjoyable year of your career? Yeah bro, fuck Tatum from coming back healthy from a career threatening injury.
Sure he probably wants to have “his” team but thats not the way to handle things.
I totally agree.
I honestly even think they’re such toxic assets that it’s a massive overpay that they be traded for Brandon Ingram and Immanuel Quickley (and whatever necessary matching salary, ideally including Jakob Poeltl and no draft picks). That said, I’m willing to tolerate the Toronto Raptors making such trades, because I trust the vision.
Please, even if these players are toxic assets who aren’t even worth paying, let alone trading for, let the Toronto Raptors trade some combination of Immanuel Quickley, Brandon Ingram, and Jakob Poeltl– and, to prove how open and fair I am to other people’s valuations, I’m even willing to include Gradey Dick, or even Jonathan Mogbo–, for Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jaylen Brown.
It’s the least we can do, trading these high level assets for such obvious toxic pieces, and any franchise would be genuinely ecstatic to accept Brandon Ingram, Immanuel Quickley, Jakob Poeltl, and other assorted pieces, for such franchise killers, such toxic assets, as Jaylen Brown and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
We’re willing to bear this cross…
Well if Giannis stays, we might know who’ll be first to go after this…
Come to papa
Don’t threaten Myles with a good time
Myles Turner is exactly what this hawks team is missing 😱
Contract aside, Myles Turner is what a lot of y’all’s teams need lol
To be fair, we also thought this and then he got outplayed by Jericho Sims all year lol
That contract isn’t what the Hawks need though
I wish we could get him on vet minimum:/
Maybe they can waive and stretch like dame, just for fun this time
I’m pretty sure every team in the nba would take myles on a vet minimum
Love how we just had someone say they’d purposefully arrive at the gym one hour later than scheduled cause the big dawg Giannis would regularly arrive one hour later than scheduled.
To which I say, workplace solidarity. ✊
How is this this highly upvoted just making shit up. This isn’t said! The clip is right there!
He said airport not gym lol
Also in the full clip (or at least a more full one than this) he says ‘I knew not to show up until after an hour they said for the plane’ after mentioning every 2PM scheduled flight would leave at 4:30PM
If we’re all wrong we’re right
Giannis deserves more criticism.
Completely agree. It’s way out of line to call for an investigation on your own team when you know damn well it’s your fault that you’re not playing.
Agreed. Dude has gotten a pass for a long time.
He hasn’t had a positive post on here all year what you mean a pass
The posts were more positive all the way up until the trade deadline this year (I forgot, was it around February?). Then when it turned out he was just trolling, he made it worse by announcing his partnership with Kalshi betting. He went for the one-two punch in how to damage a reputation.
That’s when you notice the sentiment towards him plummet and change really fast. But before that, he was still a legitimately desired & respected trade prospect by many fans and GMs.
“For a long time”
Giannis has been one of the most dragged superstars this entire season lol any post about him is nothing but shitting on him.
For a long time before the last trade deadline/Kalshi stuff
How can he be telling us even the equipment manager needs to be better and he’s showing up 2 hours late to flights
I completely forgot about that lol. It was just corny at the time when he said it, but now Giannis looks extremely hypocritical as well.
When he said “We all on Kalshi now”, I threw up
But look up Doc Rivers’ resume tho
Never before in history has one man done so little with so many and made so much doing it.
He’s been milking that one ring for years now lol
The ‘08 Dynasty was almost 20 years ago
Dynasty?
That is the way they talk about it so that is how I snarkily refer to it.
This definitely highlights the fact that the pacers are a well run organization. I’ve heard PG and I think Teague talk about this too. A sense of professionalism and accountability are important to maintain.
Certainly head and shoulders over the Doc Rivers’ Bucks. Though it sounds like it would be hard not to be.
If it was a priority for the org though, they would set these standards from the top. I dont think it’s all Doc.
But I do agree that Doc leading the team didn’t help and probably made it worse. Would need to hear from some of the longer tenured Bucks players to really get a feel.
If it was a priority for the org though, they would set these standards from the top.
What does setting those standards from the top mean when you’ve put Doc Rivers in charge? Like I’m legitimately asking, cause in my view there is one mistake and it was continuing to let this man be the coach - but outside of that I don’t really know what a front office can do, and it’s Doc at the wheel.
Like to word it more simply the failure from the top is letting Doc Rivers stay in the job, but at that point the unprofessionalism is being set by Doc, the org just isn’t doing anything about it. Pre Doc Rivers (and Adrian Griffin’s third of a season stint) they seemed the model of professionalism under Bud.
The team’s president and/or GM could insist upon the standards. Show up on time. Be there for media and for team events. Do the treatment that the training staff has scheduled for you. Fines are one way this is done.
Running the organization and managing the players is on more than the head coach. It’s a team effort.
What does it look like for the General Manager to be at every practice, every flight, every meeting undermining the coaching staff? What does insisting on the standards look like? I’m sincerely asking because again to my perspective the GM manages the organisation but the coach has to be the one managing the players, and this is a matter of the players lacking professionalism.
You don’t have to be at everything. And you certainly don’t undermine the coach.
Just like the coach/GM sets standards and expectations for the players, the GM/president sets expectations for the coach.
Really don’t know how else to put it. The way you do business and the way you represent the team is modeled by how it’s done at the top.
Well we do agree on that, I do think Rivers needed to be fired a long while back.
I understand what you’re saying I guess my perspective is that the hierarchy is that disciplining and maintaining professionalism among the players specifically is the coaching staff’s responsibility. The front office has to take care of that in that they need to make sure they have a coach who is following the organisational values and taking their job seriously, and they didn’t, but since in this context we are treating Doc Rivers as someone who does have agency and power, it’s fair to say that the biggest issue was him mis-using it.
Very basically you have to address the person most directly responsible for keeping the players disciplined, which is Doc, and then you have to ask why the organisation allowed someone not doing that to keep their job. But that to me is less a question about organisational values and structure and more the specific question of ‘Why did you let him keep his job?’ This doesn’t to me reflect on the organisation as a professional structure as it does their specific mistake of letting him keep his job. As a comparison I don’t think the Pacers, as an organisation, became or were unprofessional when Bjorkgren was the head coach and then when Carlisle came in suddenly became a very professional organisation. I think they were probably broadly the same between those two points, but they made a specific mistake with Bjorkgren.
I appreciate this is extremely semantic at this point lol.
You don’t have to be on the flights, you could just check the flight logs. Did the plane leave on time? If not, did the coach fine the individuals that kept the plane from leaving on time? If not, talk to or even fine the coach. You don’t have to literally hover to be a manager you can use available data and reporting if you’re smart about it
Can’t really pin this on a lame duck coach. This is an ownership problem.
The coach responsible for disciplining players is the primary party responsible for disciplining players, I think that’s where you have to look first. Ownership accepting his shit culture is also very bad, but the same ownership saw the Bud era too - what changes is the coach.
Dang they really killing Giannis good guy, hardest worker, first in last out image.
It’s a lose - lose situation Gianni’s being a diva bitch so he can be the martyr and say Milwaukee is fining him etc. doc suspends him and we all lol doc or say how fucked Milwaukee is. Doc was in a lose lose situation since it’s clear Gianni’s wants to get the fuck out but doesn’t want to say it
Oooh I’ve been waiting for the tea to pour for my Bucks. It was obvious that even when Dame was here things were not good with the team.
Honestly as a Bucks fan this shit is nice to hear. Like, I’m not happy about it, but everyone knew some shit was up and we now know our fears of Doc being dogshit and G being an awful leader these past two seasons are true.
It validates what it felt like watching or following the team this season. Giannis has felt like he’s had a foot (or two) out the door, but the messaging has been so mixed, so hearing directly that he was half-arsing it all season solves the question of what he actually felt about this team in a way that checks with what we saw/heard.
Also, saying all that, this doesn’t sound like just a Giannis problem and it shouldn’t be treated as just a Giannis problem.
Doc is a tombstone
Cant relate to being an NBA athlete BUT if one of my coworkers was so late that they kept me waiting on the tarmac for two hours, something would happen
If the person keeping you late is your team’s superstar, the coworker analogy falls apart - it’s more like being stuck on the tarmac waiting for your CEO to show up. Not a lot of options but to sit there and wait politely.
(There’s a famous Jordan story where he got pissed off at coach Doug Collins for one reason or another, then decided to show him up by not showing up late for the next day’s flight. He knew that Collins wouldn’t have the plane leave without their superstar, so he made the plane wait to send a message to Collins to remember who the bossman was.)
It’s more than one person - Giannis is mentioned as being the most late but Turner is talking about a problem across the team.
This is on Giannis’s shoulders, though, no? He sets the example for the team.
He does but each player deserves accountability for this kind of thing.
I know people shit on Myles, but he was a beast in the playoffs last year with the Pacers. I was so excited to have him on the team, and he definitely contributed but so many games it seemed like he lost the sauce. It makes sense now, if your own coach doesn’t care behind closed doors, why would you? I hope Myles stays on the team and Jenkins turns shit around. It’s a hard time again as a Bucks fan lmao
but he was a beast in the playoffs last year with the Pacers
Only the first half though. If he played like his former self in the 2nd half (ECF and Finals), we’d be champions.
Yeah on one hand this makes the team look bad but at the same time get your shit together and if it’s through public shaming then that’s fine. Doc being fired is like removing venom out of a snake bite.
I don’t know, man, there’s something kinda simple and fun about cheering for a team with an honest and simple plan. You won’t have a ton of wins for the next year or two, but you get to celebrate competent people building stuff for the future. There are worse situations for sure. Rooting for the Rockets when Silas was there and the team was kinda horrible but the young guys were just learning to be pros was way more fun than rooting for whatever the fuck miserable shit happened here in Houston with Ime this year. You guys will come out the other side with a bright future.
Oh definitely, I’m very glad Doc is gone haha I’m never gonna give up on Milwaukee, been a fan for 20 years and it’ll be another 20. We have some awesome talent that i believe can flourish under the right coach and conditions. Once this situation with GA is finally over, it’s gonna be smoother sailing.
Myles Turner seems like such a cool guy
He had a rough first year in Milwaukee, but seems like a genuine guy and I think he’s gonna turn it around next season.
This is why the idea of a players coach or a disciplinary coach being better is idiotic.
Some men are responsible and will treat you with respect because your position demands it, some dudes will walk all over you unless you treat them like the children they still are. You put Doc on the Spurs all them dudes are still showing up to meetings on time, you put him in Memphis and Ja might have already pistol whipped a teammate.
Why Dallas?
Hometown.
Astute.
I’m a substitute teacher idgaf vibe
Boxing out is boxing out! You either are or you’re not, regardless of what the ball does
Makes you appreciate superstars who don’t pull this shit. Being late when you know everyone’s waiting for you is the biggest sign of disrespect. Let alone for 2 fucking hours.
Asking price for Myles Turner just dropped
Giannis pulling a Dwight Howard now?
Ewe, brother, ewe!
but that ring in 2008 tho 👀
Giannis being a diva, what else is new?
All for laughing at Doc, but these are adults being paid millions. It’s not on him to babysit them show up on time.
lol I am not a king of timeliness but 2 hours is a little much
Doc knows he can’t say shit to Giannis. And it’d be stupid as fuck to decide “yeah Giannis can do whatever he wants but everyone else stay in line”.
I do lowkey notice the ego on him has grown significantly over the past few years.
Doc said im just here to get paid lol.
Courtside tickets, flights, meals, the hottest dudes and take home millions.
I don’t understand these guys. Why does fining people work? These guys make tens of millions of dollars a year. Shouldn’t their leaders be setting an example and holding people to account? Is that not a thing in professional sports teams?
Giannis is the most slept on Diva in the NBA, right behind the Kardashians.
While this sounds bad for doc. To me it says a ton about the players, unless they’re being punished they don’t care enough to even show up.
Punished by amounts of money that are like fining me or you 1 dime.
If you need a coach to hand out consequences like a parent policing a chore chart, you’re a pretty lousy professional.
Doc the GOAT players coach
I googled Myles if he was already gone from the Bucks…oh my oh my
Maybe a little too forthcoming there….but thanks for the tea!
Doc hasn’t been relevant since when?
I would be late too if I didn’t like showing up at work.
Where is this outrage when Andy Reid displays the same negligence?
Can we stop giving Doc Rivers a NBA head coaching job please? How much evidence do we need that he wants to be with the grandchildren???
He deserves better
Giannis is a toxic teammate ? Noooo, he also totally didnt put his feet under Kyrie on purpose
We all know Myles is silent quitting. He’s just like the rest of us. He’s spilling the beans so the team will cast him as toxic and send him to another team. Well played Myles
you need a fine to not be 2hours late to a flight?
Doc was keeping them checks
Coaches… have to fine their players to get them to show up on time? How fucking lazy and stupid are nba players?
Nah, trust me bro. Giannis never wanted out he’s sooo loyal. Lmao…