Slow motion replay of the contact between Thompson and Allen at the end of regulation (Pistons v Cavs Game 5)
The Pistons subreddit is literally in shambles over this?
Honestly the funniest part of that is that right below them complaining about Tony Brothers is a fan with a “hard fouls only” sign
people are about to find out how annoying detroit sports fans are when they have a successful team. I love/hate them in the AL Central
Eh that’s kinda the reality with all sports teams. I was super obnoxious when cleveland won in 2016 and when the browns turn it around cleveland will go nuts
“When” lol
Get ready Cavs fans, they now have their reason to believe they were robbed of their anointed victory and will be showing up in your online spaces talking crazy shit and being annoying for the entirety of next year.
1973 ya dickhead
Oh! here’s one now…
This is a textbook incidental non-call. And there was basically no time left anyways. And it went to overtime where they lost.
Idk, I think they need to focus on other things
Pistons fans think they should’ve gotten game winning free throws over this lol
I think it’s because the broadcast really played up the idea that this was a tripping foul on Allen. It was weird. Like… it’s not even clear that one player even initiated the contact more than the other. Their feet ran into each other. It happens. Foot to foot contact where someone falls over isn’t always a trip.
I thought the same thing. Like what are the announcers on about they were both going after the ball. Normal hustle contact for that type of thing.
So fucking stupid
Best angle. That’s a good call
Even if wasn’t who cares, they deserved to lose that game. Couldn’t make a basket to save their lives and had a whole ot to win. Went cold for what felt like multiple cavs runs at a time and had to bench their “max” center
And couldn’t box out Harden on a free throw
That’s a great no call, especially when you factor in game context.
Thompson loses his footing and falls before any sort tripping contact. Hate the refs all you want but they’re right on this one.
I blame the announcers. They were convinced it was a foul and talked it up quite a bit.
Allen’s right shin pushes Thompson’s left foot into the back of his right leg causing him to trip himself. It’s a tough call, though. Especially in real time.
Sort of, it’s one of those where the contact on his left foot makes it collide with his right leg. Makes it end up looking like the player basically trips himself
The other player falling into him is what’s causing him to trip
Correct no call. Neither team had possession of the ball
It definitely looks like Ausar had possession he is even looking up to see if there is an opportunity to pass it off…
slapping the ball while you run after it is not having possession.
Correct. And there was 1 second left
Lol…not even close
? Is it not pretty clear that Ausar has possession? Looked obvious in real time and in slow mo
Except the called fouls against harden four times when our guys ran into him
Piston players crying over this? what kind of loser mentality is that. It’s pathetic. Cavs in 6.
pistons identity since for the last 30 years has been hard fouls and prison yard defense yet their fans want game winning fts for this soft ass fall in a playoff setting lmao
Allen doesn’t do anything wrong lol
Clearly a foul, Ausar fouled Allen
Yup, pistons hack on every play and cry about calls? Bffr
It could have easily been a loose ball foul on Thompson too. Normally you can contact another player’s arm in that manner when they are reaching for the ball.
Imagine the L2M says “Thompson trips Allen and pushes off then flops after minimal contact or contact created only because of initial illegal contact - Incorrect No Call, Loose ball foul”
Ironically would be closer to the truth than a loose ball foul on JA.
Good call. Pistons fans being soft honestly was not what I was expecting.
Didn’t really think it was a clear cut foul before and even moreso now
Just looks like two player going for the ball and only incidental contact
I am not a fan of either team so I’m not emotionally invested in the game.
Pistons want a foul call? On Allen? Did Thompson not push Allen’s arm first?
It’s a perfect no call.
Refs 100% made the right call, see all of Detroit team/coach complain about this and the fanbase meltdown is pretty hilarious
All the pistons players and coaches complaining about this
Instant aura loss, hope you get your asses kicked
He would have missed the free throws anyway man cant shoot to save himself
It should’ve been lost last playoffs when they did this same complaining against us.
More so, when they struggled against the Magic.
Piston fans are gonna disregard this fs
Ok no foul
He was looking for the call lol
This is actually so fucking funny
Whatever you want to say about this sequence, the contact is just too incidental to call in an end-of-game situation like that. If you watched this and still think Pistons got hosed you need to watch more basketball lol
tony ‘tier 1’ brothers
Can’t believe this is controversial
Yeah I don’t think you can decide a game based on a call here. No call and OT makes the most sense.
The move to poke the ball away appears to be clean. But then Thompson clears Allen’s arm away, which is probably a foul. After that, these guys end up putting their feet in the exact same spot, causing them both to go off balance and it’s basically a tangle from there on.
I understand Detroit and its fans on thinking there was a trip but there’s none here. Tier 1 reffing indeed
Absolutely no fault whatsoever. Pistons will have to seek for another excuse for this loss
I missed the last quarter of the game and checked the pistons sub before I saw any of this. They’re melting down about a no call that cost them the game and I was really feeling for them. This is it? Am I missing something?
Huh, feels like they fouled each other, I don’t really see something egregious.
Let’s be honest, it’s borderline, and in more ways than one. It’s hard to say if he got full possession, hard to say if the contact warrants a foul.
I love this Pistons team and would love to see them make the finals, but let’s be real, they had a 9 point lead with like 2 minutes left. They blew it.
No comments, imagine call it “Allen foul”
It seems like ausar fouled allen here
The fact refs can see this in real time is pretty impressive.
It was actually a good no call. I’m surprised so many people in this sub wanted a foul call, despite constantly saying refs should just let them play in the playoffs.
Yes, it’s a foul. No, that should never be called in that situation.
Foul on Thompson for the arm contact or foul on Allen for the foot contact? Either way I agree with you that no call is correct
I’ve never seen this sub switch up so fast just because they got annoyed at players/coaches bitching postgame lmao.
Game thread was literally a consistent “wow can’t believe they missed that” then a player calls it out and it’s “what a cry baby, it wasn’t even really a foul!”
Goomba.
I wanna give Allen the benefit of the doubt here but he is just so nonchalant about it that I feel it was deliberate. Overall it’s too ambiguous so correct no call.
That’s a foul Mann , if that’s Donovan , Cade ,BRUNSON ( for all the Knicks fans ) harden , they all get that call , refs are inconsistent just like last year playoffs when Josh clearly fouled Malik and no call shi is ridiculous
Look at the feet. Ausar tripped Allen
Y’all are far too obsessed with us man…
Yes, it shows Allen makes contact with Thompson after Thompson has gained control of the ball. Clear foul
This has to be bait or satire?
No, it’s quite literally what it shows.
Prior contact is incidental (Allen to Thompson’s foot, Thompson to Allen’s arm, possibly even Allen’s knee to Thompson’s knee, though I’d argue that’s the time where contact goes from incidental and in pursuit of a loose ball to significant and against an offensive player with clear possession), then Thompson secures the ball and is run into by Allen. That’s more or less the clearest a foul can be, since it occurs at a point where possession is established (and thus rules out the normal contact that occurs in pursuit of a loose ball, which is much harder to determine as a penalty), and clearly affects the offensive player.
You are beyond delusional if you think “possession is established” at that point and that Ausur is the “offensive player.” Literally can see in this very clip that is not even remotely the case.
You don’t think grabbing the ball with 1 hand, dribbling, and beginning a second uninterrupted dribble, constitutes possession? Genuine question. Do you think possession is only established when controlled by both hands?
He dribbles the ball well away from himself and he doesn’t even remotely have control. Genuine question. Do you think simply touching the ball means you have possession?
Ofc it’s not. And going into a second, controlled dribble, while moving up court, only to be interrupted by a pursuer running into your body, clearly does establish it.
I wouldn’t call the first dribble a clear indication of possession. The fact that he maintained the dribble into a second one and was interrupted at that point obviously does indicate either that he established possession and was fouled, or was prevented from establishing possession because of a loose ball foul.
I’m sure you can count the number of times Thompson’s hand makes downward contact with the ball in the form of a dribble. If your argument is ‘dribbling the ball twice doesn’t mean you have possession!’, then I guess there’s no reasoning with you.
All the contact from the team that beat us is real and all the contact on the other team is incidental 😎
User name is not apt
Because the character from the children’s show didn’t play basketball? I imagine he would’ve been a hooper tbh
Based on the video, can you tell how Allen lost balance? A few frames before the inadvertent trip?
Yes, he stepped on Thompson’s foot. I wouldn’t call that a foul on Allen, since neither had gained possession and were in normal pursuit of a loose ball. If it was to be called a foul, it would be on Allen, since neither was entitled to the space and Thompson beat him to it, but, again, I think it’d be ridiculous to blow that whistle
No, Thompson stepped on his foot lol. Allen was there first. He also shoves his arm away, which is not “incidental contact” at all. He also trips over his own feet after the fact, not over Allen
I genuinely think you gotta go to an optometrist if you think Thompson stepped on Allen lmfao
Regardless, eye problems don’t change the fact that the very next sentence read: ‘I wouldn’t call that a foul on Allen, since neither had gained possession and were in normal pursuit of a loose ball’, which addresses both halves of your comment.
Thompson gets there first. Both make contact going for loose ball. Thompson gets ball first, dribbles, is tripped while making second dribble. It’s either a loose ball foul, which I don’t think is a good call, as both make contact while in pursuit, or it’s a foul on Allen for making contact with a ballhandler. If you think it’s a loose ball foul Thompson, that’s fine. Not gonna try to convince you otherwise
You don’t think shoving an outstretched arm contributes to losing balance?
awwh bless your heart. at least you ALMOST won a 4-5 matchup
Yeah, raptors were the worse team, no doubt in my mind. I don’t believe this game involved the raptors though, so try to stay on topic :)