Wilt Chamberlain was very good at basketball [OC]
It would seems so, also props for using R, love it
Wow Bam had a lot of them, look at all those greys!
I would assume Luka, Flagg and Ant will get their own colored dot in the next ~5-10 years.
Imagine Wilt today, lmao. They changed the rules to nerf him.
NBA is over.
Dude had the most money turn around fadeaway, if he’d had today’s rules as a C they’d have to change the rules anyway
yea, he wouldn’t be putting those ridiculous number. Hes the same as Babe Ruth, both overrated
Unplabyable in the 4th. Defensively he is at best a Javale Mcgee. If you use some brain he would just be average
Bro averaged over 48 minutes a game in some seasons. What do you mean unplayable in the 4th?
If you think wilt can play 48 mins a game in the moder era you are out of your mind. Guy shoots like 50% on free throw and is a bad perimeter defender. That is literally how trash bigs gets abused in todays game
Why do you think he was a bad perimeter defender? One of the fastest, most mobile bigs in the game. And one of the best BBall IQs (Bill Russell basically called him a basketball genius).
With some training, he’d excel in modern defenses.
You must be trolling.
Defensively he’d be great. A super strong player over 7 feet tall who was also an elite track athlete and one of the greatest rim protectors of all time? He has every athletic tool you could want. Just needs a bit of training for the modern game.
We know he played well against Kareem. Who played well against Olajuwon. Who played well against Shaq. It’s very clear that he could play against modern players, because there’s a direct line between them that shows he could.
There are videos of him effortlessly making three-point hook shots.
The only significant weakness is his free-throw shooting. People would definitely do the hack-a-Shaq. But did that actually neutralize Shaq in the 4th? Not really. It was a limitation, but not a deal-breaker.
Shaq still dominated the league. And Wilt was basically a faster, more athletic, more skilled Shaq.
new jimmyhighroller video from this chart alone
“here’s bam off of his 83 point game.. here’s dame.. then you have all time greats harden and kobe and go back more .. and you have MICHAEL JORDAN… and here… here is Wilt”
Wilt was a taller, stronger, quicker, more skilled (For his time) player than Giannis. He was dominant on both ends of the floor. He would feast.
I did the Rebound graph too and he was also ridiculous in it
Bottom here https://gist.github.com/cavedave/adb7ebcce0832a26ce4ba7386f0afe12
No shit 😄
Wilt, Bam, then Kobe.
It has been set in stone.
Bam has more maybe, lol
Over 60 points scoring is probably the worst metric I can think of. Being able to score over 60, sure, number of 60 point games, no.
and his competition was not
Plumbers vs Podcasters.
Nah man try again
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Take that Bam game out it was a g league game and they fouled in a blowout to get the ball back. At least out the asterisk up like all the other sites did.
Wilt obviously is an all time great, but when you look at these stats you have to put them into context. For example, during Wilt’s prime the average amount of possessions was something around 125, last year the leader was at 103. So during Wilt’s era he was playing more minutes due to how the game was played, and his teams were getting up 15-30 more shots than a typical team today. When you adjust for pace Wilt doesn’t have the highest per 36 minutes average or the highest per 100 possession average.
Okay so let’s do context then:
There is no 3pt line
Pronated (top down) dribble only; this means a crossover is travelling
No technical fouls
No off-arm clear outs
One and a half steps or travel(no gather step)
No palming
Cannot lower the shoulder on offense
Tight rules for offensive fouls
People always wanna go there talking that shit about his era but it was far harder to play the game then and they STILL got up that many shots? NP…
Well put.
People want to double down on the per 100 possessions, but leave out literally every other piece of context available. If it were that much easier to score back then, other people would’ve been putting up numbers close to Wilt - instead they’re closer to the other peak PPG numbers across the rest of the NBA; outside of Wilt, of course.
Like this dude has the top 4 PPG averages ever; 5 of the top 6. He put up 50+ in a season and no one else has even averaged 40 - no matter the era.
Do we REALLY think he wouldn’t be just as dominant in the modern game? If he could back his man down? Eurostep? Gather step? Utilize the massive amount of space the 3pt shot created? Or hell hit a 3pt shot himself? This is a dude that blocked Kareem’s skyhook TWICE as an old man lol - he’d probably be better in today’s NBA, even if the numbers wouldn’t be QUITE as gaudy
I can see PPG being higher, he was capable of the 3, and post-play as it stands now there’s no one getting in front of that. It’d be possible to spam a dunk 48mpg with him. You can’t stop him from getting to his position so the only option is foul or smooshed. He did most of his damage of jumpers, turnaround fadeaways and put backs, if he’s got the three technical fouls, and dunks on the break I’m pretty confident he’d go higher than 50
He definitely was capable of a 3 - this clip always comes to mind: https://youtu.be/h0IC8Nwkd1w
I think the only issue he’d have right now is how many minutes he’d be allowed to play; he’s certainly not getting 48.5mpg in today’s era (another improperly heralded record of his). I hear your points for sure though; it is an interesting thought experiment.
Another ‘what if’ I like to ponder is if he went to the Celtics/ a franchise as serious as them - I think people would think of him now like how hockey thinks about Gretzky
With all due respect, if you are trying to argue it was harder to play back then, especially in relation to such an outlier athlete and with the size he had, it shows you don’t really know what you are talking about. The game has become far more skilled and complex, that doesn’t translate to easier.
I mean just think about the idea that players could average 42+ minutes a game, including Wilt averaging more than 48 minutes a game, and tell me the game was harder. That’s just not a serious opinion. Sorry.
Madness. The game has become more ‘skilled’ by relaxing the rules of previous generations. It’s not a skill whatsoever, it’s an allowable penalty that players of Wilt’s era could also do but were not allowed to.
Today’s current players can’t go that long and it’s a matter of physiology. You’re comparing Clydesdales to Arabians, they’re built for different jobs and to hold them to the standards of the other is disingenuous.
Players can’t play that much because they run significantly more. There are multiple studies that show this. Plus, they have to cover a larger area. They have much more lateral change of direction. The physical tax that players today experience is just objectively, quantifiably, and scientifically proven. If you are unwilling to concede that point I frankly can’t trust anything else you say about basketball because you are arguing from such a position of ignorance or stubbornness.
Having said that if you are willing to acknowledge that previous point, I will at least say that the level of skills that players have today is much higher and broader than previous generations. That’s another thing that doesn’t really have any serious debate against. The level of dribbling, passing, shooting, scoring that is combined with the physical and cognitive load that players have especially in the lower ends of the roster is so different than even 30 years ago. It’s not meant to be a knock against older generations players because it’s important to look at the context of how they okay compared to their peers but at a certain point in a sports earlier stages it’s important to consider the depth of talent in the league.
Wilt is an all time great player. But when you put his numbers into context it takes it from a superhuman, mythical figure to just in line with the other best players of all time.
Proverbs 26:4
So no actual basketball discussion or rebuttal? Nice.
I’m not trying to be mean, but if you are going to reply with a nonsensical argument and somebody explains that there is data and studies and all sorts of things that prove how wrong you are, you have the option to actually educate yourself instead of giving up and pretending like you are so right it’s not even worth refuting the other persons argument.
Frankly it makes you look weak.
No mention of illegal defense rules? Okay. Almost everything you mentioned is countered by how limited and basic defense was allowed to be played in that regard. I respect Wilt and you can’t really argue he wouldn’t be successful in any era but that’s a pretty damn big omission.
Adjusting per 36 is basically saying play A can only be effective for 36 or lower minutes. Wilt was that productive FOR THE ENTIRE GAME. Most players efficiencies would go down if thye had to play 48 minutes, wilt was extremely efficient. And no, he didn’t just dunk the ball, he had multiple go to moves that were ahead of his time.
Im still taking Dame Lilllard over him
