Josh Kroenke: “Everything is on the table outside of trading Nikola”
disclaimer: we actually won’t do anything, but it’s on the table
I will sleep with any super model. It’s on the table
I will earn Sadie Sink’s hand in marriage. It is on the table
i put super glue on my train models
lmao
If any supermodel is on the table (unforced), I’ll go for it
Not doing anything would be the most expensive option.
I mean, they will make small moves. But I don’t know if they have the balls and/or if there is willing markets for the large newsworthy changes which involve AG or Jamal.
The actual question if they will duck tax, not if they will make moves.
They will 100% get under the 1st apron. That’s non-negotiable.
standing pat is also on the table.
Yep, that’s classic kronkdawg speech. “We sold out every home game and moved plenty of #15 jerseys even outside of Denver. Anyway, we finna run it back”
This is exactly how the press conference sounded last offseason and everyone thought they’d run it back. Then they swung two trades. Not sure why you guys except the front office to lay out their exact ideas in conferences like these
I think they need a more physical athletic team around Jokic. Now, do they have the assets and contracts to make it happen? I have no idea.
i feel they are in a kind of really bad spot since they basically have the same needs as the lakers but without cap space or assets
#1 priority has to be keep Pwatt at all costs. Cannot allow a young two way athlete walk. He’s perfect for what they need.
Since you put #1 it bolded your post making it seem like you’re really emphasizing this point 😂
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I’m just very passionate about Peyton Watson
Understandable 😂
Use a \ to escape the markdown
Bruh can’t even stay on the court. If the right deal cones up trade his ass. Not to mention he’s not even an all star. Gotta stop overvaluing role players
Injury thing is fair. This isn’t about trading him , he’s hitting restricted free agency, team might be too expensive to pay him so they may not match an offer from a team with cap space….like….the Lakers. I’m not saying max him or even give him 35 mill or something crazy, I’m just saying letting him walk for nothing on reasonable number would be pretty crazy. Also, not sure he’s a role player. His handle and shooting were wildly improved this year. Kind of reminds me of OG.
He’s an ideal Laker if they can get him at a price that reflects his season, not his potential…at which point, Denver’s just going to match. So you’re overpaying and then hoping to christ the injuries were an aberration.
Okay yea I got what you’re saying now. I agree
Or los Angeles.
Ja Wick to Denver!!
Jokic to the Lakers it is then
If Jokic truly wants to be there no matter what, then a longer than one summer rebuild might do them wonders. Still, that’s a really hard ask.
Jaden McDaniels would be the funniest pickup that is also genuinely exactly what they need
(but yes I know that’s HIGHLY unlikely)
He’d be embraced instantly. He’s one of those, “fuck that guy, unless he’s on our team” type of players.
Yeah, AG is the only guy on the team that consistently plays with force, but he doesn’t consistently play anymore. CB can do that, but he doesn’t have the handle to absorb contact in the paint quite as well, so he can’t be the only one putting pressure on the rim. I think about guys like Strus or Hart who will just try really hard and keep games looking winnable all the time. Russ had that in last year’s playoffs. Marcus Smart (on a good day) would be great for this Nuggets team.
My weird pickup idea for them would be Andrew Wiggins just because he has the athleticism that they lack, plus he’s a good wing defender, and he can provide some more creation (while still being a decent outside shooter). He doesn’t bring that forcefulness that I was just saying they need, but he fills other gaps. Ultimately, a contract of his size would be Cam Johnson + another contract or a big contract with Wiggins coming back as a piece of the trade.
Cristian Braun stays then?
I unironically think Braun is a positive for the team. His leg injury that kept him out was reaggrevated during the season and he played through it for the playoffs. He clearly lost a step from it and his cutting was just not effective because of it.
He was still a positive defender but we couldn’t space the floor with Jokic and Mal’s 3pt shooting taking a dip and it made our offense anemic
It definitely feels like a low point for him, and I would expect him to bounce back next year and look similar to how he did last year.
This is also where bad GMs panic and sell low, so we will see lol idk anything about the Nuggets GM
You can’t pay people with his skill set that kinda money. It’s such a stupid contract.
There is no value in trading him now.
The puzzle isn’t that complicated. They will try to resign Watson, but need some help. I think they want to retain Cam, but might need to part of it’s him or Watson.
End of the bench get shuffled like most team do.
The only real questions are do they look to move AG and/or Murray and what’s the true return on either.
Is there a shuffling of IQ or RJ, Murray and Suggs that makes sense? Ty Jerome with two of the above in a smaller trade?
Not sure how the Nexus of draft capital, cap flexibility and cap space work out. Had experimented on trade machines for a while but things were always such marginal gains.
Ultimately, Suggs on the Nuggets would likely only be beneficial if it allows for a second move of consequence and I dont think the cap would be compatible.
But moving Gordon and Murray in favor of Jerome/Suggs adds, retaining Cam J and Watson is the best retool I can imagine.
Nah they’re Bucks West. Its just Jokic trade request watch for the next few years unless he’s just insanely dedicated to not leaving the Nuggets I’m not really sure what else can happen if they don’t somehow trick another team into giving them way too much for way too little
JAMAL MURRAY GET READY TO BE A WIZARD
THE OPENING NIGHT SELFIE WITH G WIZ IS GONNA HIT LIKE CRACK
Honestly a Jokic/Davis backcourt sounds terrifying
Anthony’s casual attire would really pop besides a massive player like Jokic
U actin like ad ain’t a beast of a man too
For all 20 games AD plays, yeah
We saw how devastating Boogie/AD front court was
When healthy
Your a Wizard Murray….
This really looked like the best squad the nuggets had. Kinda sad how it turned out and I liked the squad together, but it’s probably the end of the road
Its one of those series that show the major problems. You can’t be running into next season with massive injury risks and no legit attempt to add defenders
The injuries really fucked the team up. We somehow stayed afloat despite them but it was clear the team were all banged up and couldn’t play to their full potential. Think all the minutes on Jamal finally caught up to him too by the time Jaden could get his hands on him
I think AG being injured is 10x more important than anyone else on the Nuggets (outside of Jokic). He just covers up so many of Jokic’s defensive flaws while being a great shooter/cutter for Jokic to pass to. The sad part is I don’t think AG is going to be healthy for another playoff run.
I thinks it’s kinda dumb to blame Injuries when you lost to a team significantly more injured than you
I mean I’m not blaming injuries for losing to the Wolves I’m blaming injuries for the team not being good enough to beat anyone lol
If you injured team couldn’t beat an even more injured wolves your healthy team wouldn’t have done anything either
I don’t understand what’s confusing about this logic. Jokic, AG, CB, Jones, and Watson all suffered lower leg injuries during the season and came back for the playoffs playing banged up (except for Watson). While they’re all “healthy” on paper they were very obviously underperforming relative to their standards. Being healthy enough to play and being healthy enough to play to your fullest potential are vastly different ideas. Even just during the regular season, here are Jokic’s stats:
Before: 29.6⁄12.2⁄11.0 with 3.5 TOVs on 66/44/85 (71.3 TS%), 16.4 BPM
After: 25.9⁄13.7⁄10.7 with 4.3 TOVs on 54/32/80 (63.0 TS%), 11.8 BPM.
I won’t argue that losing to an injured Wolves isn’t embarrassing but pretending like anyone on the Nuggets was fully healthy is ignoring facts. OBVIOUSLY no one is fully healthy in the playoffs but the nuggets are simply not athletic enough to deal with those types of injuries against an athletic Wolves team even without Ayo or Ant for stretches.
Brother u lost to terreance shannon jr and ayo dosunmu. Its not hard to understand that even when healthy, I doubt they beat the wolves or any of the elite teams.
We literally are 3-1 against the Spurs this season lol
reg szn doesn’t matter lol
I never said the nuggets were healthy, I said even if they were they were going to lose anyway
Didn’t read all of his and don’t know enough about basketball. But I believe he might be saying something like this, arbitrary numbers for how impactful a player is. Replacing just 1 player each.
Denver fully healthy: 10 9 8 7 7 = 41 Denver injured: 10 5 8 7 7 = 37 (9 replaced with 5)
Wolves fully healthy: 10 9 9 6 5 = 39 Wolves injured: 10 9 8 6 5 = 38 (9 replaced with 8)
Healthy den > healthy wolves Injured wolves > injured den
Basically, wolves have better depth which influences the outcome when both teams rely on depth more. If bench/replacements aren’t needed beyond regular subs during a game for a quick break, then the primary optimal lineup matchup matters more.
Or I’m completely wrong cause I’m not a basketball person. But the logic of “injured team A loses to injured team B” has logical proof to “therefore healthy B would beat healthy A”. It can imply they’d still be close fully healthy. But it’s essentially 4 different variations of teams.
I mean this is not even necessarily true depending how you look at it. They got 1 real game from AG and 0 games from Peyton Watson. Minnesota got 3.5 games of 80% Ant and 3 games of DDV. Minnesota is a team that is 7 good players deep (when healthy) while the Nuggets are 5 good players deep (when healthy). The Nuggets BADLY need their team to be healthy to have even “acceptable” lineups on the floor for most of the game but with 2 of their main guys down they have to throw out a lot of vomit inducing lineups out there.
Both teams fully healthy Minnesota wins in 5-6 and that’s not a controversial take
I blame the second apron. Warriors screwed the league with their $500 million teams. Bucks got shafted also from an outsiders pov
Owners wanted to be cheap and players went along with it to be able to smoke or something. CJ should be in jail.
Also tore apart the Celtics championship team. Will start to unravel OKC too.
Ya idk about the thunder as much as everyone else if they continue to draft well with the those clippers picks
This really looked like the best squad the nuggets had.
Did it?
People were hyped at the start of the season and this was said quite often. On paper it makes sense. Can Johnson vs MPJ was considered a side grade or even an upgrade. Val was considered a great backup for Jokic. THJ and Brown off the bench. Then when Jokic went out the hype actually increased as strawther, naji and especially Watson stepped up. It was expected that Braun would improve as well.
You really just need to put some more shooters around Jokic, and while the Jamal/Jokic pick and roll is pretty effective - it stymies ball movement and gets shooters out of rhythm.
I don’t think they need a huge overhaul, they just need to make some right moves.
I think Jamal is super tradeable after coming off of an allstar year, his value is at its peak right now.
Luke Kennard would be an amazing get in the offseason. Deanthony Melton would be a good get. Keon Ellis would be a good get.
Harrison Barnes.
There’s a lot of room to move
We had the best offense of all time this year. The shooting is good. Defense is the issue, we need some more beef n speed
just put shooters around your heliocentric starts is not good enough these days anymore. They need to be shooters and athletic defenders. Nuggets has shooters, but they lacks serious athleticism.
everyone was hurt. but thats not going to get any better. ship Murray and Braun and AG out and get some younger players that are healthy
we’ll be happy to take Aaron Gordon off your hands
Are you paying 82 games prices or expecting the under 50 games discount?
I mean, we kinda already had that with KP
AG/Braun for Brown you right
HELL NO, no one wants Braun
You guys should take him, he’s good.
h-hell nah
Is paying the tax on the table?
Don’t be ridicule.
It is the table
Josh needs to just call his Dad.
I thought it was hilarious when the Nuggets won the title, they handed the trophy to Stan first. If you don’t know, in order to buy the Rams he had to “sell” the Nuggets, Avs and Ball arena to his wife and son to be approved to buy the rams.
i wonder how much murray is worth
He worth something. 29, coming off an all star season and already proved he can win a championship.
Type of player that helps a good team get over the hump, but not improving a bad team.
He makes $50m per season
That’s the NBA contract cycle. OKC is built on guys not hitting what they are ultimately due yet. The vast majority of teams don’t have the luxury.
Dame was \(50+, Mitchell is 50+, Lamelo is \)40+. Etc, etc, etc. It’s the cost of doing business.
I’m not saying a deal that makes sense for both sides is out there, but team aren’t hanging up the phone simply because of his contract. Your not a NBA GM if your scare of guys making money.
Is jamal murray “due” $50 million with one all star appearance in his career?
Or is he a bad contract?
I understand the debate on Reddit where everything is binary. Good contract or bad contract. But that’s not how the real NBA operates. ‘Bad’ contracts get traded all the time. Goals are different than casual fans consider.
As for only one AS, sure but it just happened and objectively this was his best season.
Bad contracts get traded but not for upgrades.
Yes they do. Either a lateral move or a $1 for 4 quarters move.
Also Jamals play is in line with his contract. Teams aren’t always hunting value deals.
$1 for 4 quarters in this case means 4 smaller bad contracts. They’re not gonna get a positive value contract for Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray is not a “bad contract” lmfao. He’s literally a 25ppg 7apg championship-winner.
I mean, he is literally going to be all-nba this season and is well established as a “#2 on a title team” level for years, that’s not that crazy. He was arguably a top 10 player this season
For years, now it’s been years and he’s overpaid. He’s quite far from peak value as a contract.
I don’t believe any team would pay him $50 million today if he were a free agent, not close to that number either. That means Denver has to incentivize another team to pay him that money by taking back bad players or adding picks to him.
Just make the other team watch Jamal 2020 playoffs and every last minutes against the Lakers highlights and you can get 5 first round picks.
Now Arsenal is main focus and trying to win Premiership and or UEFA Champions League
The ultimate bottling would be winning neither. The fate of the prem is back in their hands.
Odegaard for Jamal Murray, Letzz go!!
Can’t believe I smoked weed with this dude like 23 years ago
Cam and a first rounder for MPJ?
What about the team leader Christian Braun?
He’s not tradable lol.
Team leader Bruan is not going to like that
The table is set but will they eat?
Nothing matters when Adelmen is there
Nikola Jokic? The Serbian horse trainer?
Jeffrey Epstein? The financier?
THEY GONE
Jamal Murray to the Wizards, Pelicans, Kings, or Raptors. Lets go!
Aaron Gordon is traded to Arsenal to join their set piece special teams.
made your bed by giving braun 125m 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jokic deserves better man.
LeBron had played with D-Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, and Kevin Love by this point in his career. Four HOFers. Jokic didn’t even have an all-star teammate until this year.
They’re wasting a generational talent here.
They got bunch of bad contracts, i don’t know if anyone wants them. Best to trade Jokic and start the rebuild.
Rams, Nuggets, Arsenal, this dude is pretty busy
Don’t forget the prohibitive favorite to win the stanley cup
Who’s Nikola though. Never heard of him.
Fuck this clown
I mean, yeah. Jokic is on the wrong side of 30, and it’s clear that the team needs some major change. If they want to contend with Jokic, they need to make a move, and make it now
I know ppl are like “wow such bad mismanagement.” But like they did win a chip in 23. The goal was achieved. This is simply how the progression of professional sports go. You have the highest of highs. And you also have to come crashing down after.
Yeah people are ridiculous. You’re a failure unless you win a championship each year
Is there a way to create a 2011 Dirk team around Jokic?
Couple of old vets at point, bigger/tougher wings and run and dunk centers around an offense first big man
the downsides of super max contracts
Het probleem is dat Jokic voor 30% of meer zelf coach is. Hij heeft een vinger in de pap. Er gaan niet zomaar grote besluiten worden genomen zonder zijn input en medezeggenschap. Dus ja, maak je borst maar nat…
So releasing Jokic IS on the table🤔
I think Denver should really trade for KD. It cant be worse than having Jamal “roll the dice” Murray on the team. He is just too inconsistent. KD still wants to ball, but he doesn’t have the nerves to deal with incompetence anymore.
we should be able to get KD at a discount. Maybe just a handful of burner phone accounts.
Nah nice try Rockets fan. That dude is cancer dressed up in a basketball jersey.
Aspire to be under the table
As it should be. Gordon can’t stay healthy, Murray isn’t a point guard, Braun in the most overpaid 5th option in the NBA, Johnson is a 3&D roll player who they thought could be a 3rd option, and much more.
I’m almost certain they will shake up the roster this offseason. The clock is ticking on Jokic’s career. He’s not someone that will want to play until he’s 38.
I’ll take 1 Peyton Watson, pls.
Guess I’m the only one who thinks a fully healthy nuggets team as is is still a contender
Nuggets do not deserve Jokic. Trade him please, let us watch him play with actual real professional basketball players.
Ill kms if we trade Jamal
I know it could be for the better, hes just my favorite player.
The ownership is such garbage it’s so unfortunate for the team
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Yeah well, at least I we don’t have to live in Oklahoma
They don’t really have any assets or movable contracts. Good luck with that.
What a terrible way to run an org, publicly stating you are getting rid of players. No real incentive for those dudes to show up in decent shape for the beginning of next season.
Nuggets are better off trading Jokic while his value is still sky high. Once Jokic locks in that new deal, he’s never gonna be in great shape ever again
can you tell me who they are getting rid of exactly
Realistically they should trade joker while he still has value. His decline will be rapid and ugly
Unlikely. He game has very low reliance on raw athleticism. Guys like that tend to decline slower.
assuming he stays healthy, this year he missed a few months with that knee.
A few months? He missed one month and it was a bone bruise. No issues with soft tissue injuries.
Yeah, I’m trying to picture how bad Jokic will be when he loses his freak athleticism
Right now he jumps to contest a shot maybe 1⁄20 times. Imagine how bad itll be when hes physically incapable of getting any air time. Right now hes a -5/-10 on defense, he’ll probably actually be in convos for worst defender of all time in 2-3 years, and easily the worst defender of all centers.
Not to mention his last resort method of getting past other Cs is accelerating past them and getting straight to the rim, like he yammed it over gobert. His ability to score at will will be significantly reduced as his already poor explosiveness/acceleration gets worse.