For real tho, when I was a teen I would do twice or three times the amount recommended because oh well “Gainz”

go to r/biohackers and some of them will be taking 20-30g of creatine for supposed brain saturation and cognitive benefits

he was probably taking like 100grams a day while not hydrating properly or thought that gatorade was proper hydration (its not its just carbs) lmao idk how much creatine you need to take to almost die

means he thinks water is for suckers

More that 5 -10 grams per day

Also which supplement he was taking - since they aren’t regulated you have to be pretty careful with what you buy since it might not even have what it says it has

Yeah, I was scouring the article for this number, and it’s nowhere.

Was he using it to load? Was he using it to mask? Which type of creatine did he use?

Well with creatine you also want to drink a shit ton of water.

Recommended daily dose of creatine is about 5mg for people taking it and you’re supposed to drink at least 12 cups of water (well over 90 ounces) in a day because the point is to saturate it into the system.

Could be he was taking something well above that while not saturating his body with even remotely enough water.

Atleast that’s what I’m assuming as someone who cycles creatine throughout the year as a weightlifter asking so for nearly a decade now.

I gather the article doesn’t specify the dosage. Absurd if so.

Pretty sure they also said in the article that he had high natural levels of creatine to start with. (IDK what that means, but except that he was able to reach dangerous levels quicker.)

This is a common issue for folks with kidney disease fwiw. But I thought DP had a hamstring issue, not an internal organ one

And apparently the KU team doctors and medical staff never once asked “what are you taking OTC?” And this issue persisted for months?

Load of BS. Damage control.

You have to be taking A LOT to get to the point of an “overdose” on it. It’s more about how much water you’re drinking, which is difficult to stay on top of when you’re playing sports, so that would make sense.

I wish they had mentioned how much he was taking. I’m really curious.

Creatine is osmotic. It doesn’t just sit there; it draws water into the muscle cells (intracellularly). If anything, this creates a buffer against dehydration. It’s a debunked myth that in any way it can cause dehydration. There is no physiological mechanism for causing dehydration at all. Even if you decreased your water intake creatine would prevent dehydration/cramping As it would deposit more of the consumed water into your muscles

“Greenwood et al. [78] monitored injury rates in Division IA NCAA collegiate football players (N=72; age: 19.7 ± 1.0 yrs) where environmental conditions were hot (27.3 ± 10.90C) and humid (54.2 ± 9.7%). Participants chose to receive either creatine (n = 38: 0.3 g/kg/day for 5 days; followed by 0.03 g/kg/day for 115 days) or a sport drink placebo (n = 34) throughout the football season. Injuries treated by the athletic training staff were monitored. Creatine users had significantly less cramping (p = 0.021), heat illnesses and dehydration (p = 0.043), muscle tightness (p = 0.020), muscle strains (p = 0.021), and total injuries (p < 0.001) compared to non-users. Non-contact joint injuries, contact injuries, illnesses, missed practices due to injuries, and players lost for the season were not different between groups. In a clinical setting, haemodialysis patients (n = 10) who frequently reported muscle cramping were provided creatine (12 g) 5 minutes prior to haemodialysis [79]. Creatine supplementation reduced the frequency of symptomatic muscle cramping by 60% [79]. These beneficial effects from creatine may be explained by fluid distribution and electrolyte imbalances, as previously discussed.”

Cliffs; No matter the dose of water or creatine, it prevents cramping

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7871530/

Happens all the time

A lot of guys play different in college. Who could’ve seen KAT become one of the greatest shooting bigs of all time. Donovan Mitchell was a lockdown defender. Devin Booker was just a shooter. There’s tons of examples

Very weird prospect. He looked completely dominant for stretches and then totally checked out and tunnel visioned at times. Feels like a total crapshoot but I tend to lean toward believing he’s gonna be good.

Look at how Kansas played him in college the didn’t want him to pass the ball.

Ku fan here, I watched a lot of his games this season. He had very little play finishing around him. The assist numbers are low partially bc no one could hit shots around him. Bill self’s offense is also stuck 15 years in the past.

To me, he passed the eye test. He seems to make good reads and thread tight passes. I don’t worry about his playmaking. I’m more concerned about his body holding up and his mentality.

Really hope he pans out, but I just can’t shake the idea of him being another Andrew Wiggins. Great tools, talent, but doesn’t have the killer instinct.

If you look at his stats and Ants college stats hey are very similar but played in a better conference and Ant had the same does he love basketball questions. I think there is no doubt he should go one imo, Dybantsa is really fucking good too just has more questions

In the article he talks about it. He said he couldn’t play on the ball PG as much because of the cramp issues. Bill Self came up with a way to use him off the ball more that helped alleviate some of the physical demands of a PG. He believe that now that the issue is behind him he can go back to being what he was in HS

We are NOT making that his abbreviation

Dolly Parton? 

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, I’ve heard of 30g being used before and it was not accompanied by anecdotes of “cramps worse than death itself”

Correct, creatine is osmotic. It doesn’t just sit there; it draws water into the muscle cells (intracellularly). If anything, this creates a buffer against dehydration. It’s a debunked myth that in any way it can cause dehydration. There is no physiological mechanism for causing dehydration at all. Even if you decreased your water intake creatine would prevent dehydration/cramping As it would deposit more of the consumed water into your muscles

“Greenwood et al. [78] monitored injury rates in Division IA NCAA collegiate football players (N=72; age: 19.7 ± 1.0 yrs) where environmental conditions were hot (27.3 ± 10.90C) and humid (54.2 ± 9.7%). Participants chose to receive either creatine (n = 38: 0.3 g/kg/day for 5 days; followed by 0.03 g/kg/day for 115 days) or a sport drink placebo (n = 34) throughout the football season. Injuries treated by the athletic training staff were monitored. Creatine users had significantly less cramping (p = 0.021), heat illnesses and dehydration (p = 0.043), muscle tightness (p = 0.020), muscle strains (p = 0.021), and total injuries (p < 0.001) compared to non-users. Non-contact joint injuries, contact injuries, illnesses, missed practices due to injuries, and players lost for the season were not different between groups. In a clinical setting, haemodialysis patients (n = 10) who frequently reported muscle cramping were provided creatine (12 g) 5 minutes prior to haemodialysis [79]. Creatine supplementation reduced the frequency of symptomatic muscle cramping by 60% [79]. These beneficial effects from creatine may be explained by fluid distribution and electrolyte imbalances, as previously discussed.”

Cliffs; No matter the dose of water or creatine, it prevents cramping

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7871530/

Bodybuilders are also way different than basketball players. Just watch a video of them trying to run a mile

Creatine is also one of the most studied supplements. So people must be taking ridiculous doses to have this kind of negative impact.

That’s what makes me think this is BS. KU’s medical team couldn’t figure this one out? Give me a break.

Also had a friend who took too much. Ended up passing out one day and taken to the hospital. Luckily, he didn’t do severe damage. Just had to stay off the creatine for awhile. He’s a bodybuilder now, so I’m sure he’s got more than creatine going on now.

KU’s not gonna throw him under the bus for lying because we need to keep pipeline of NBA talent incoming, but I guarantee you the doctors would have asked about this. Doctors always ask about this, to anyone, even during regular checkups, let alone a star athlete who is having a medical issue. This is a load of crap.

Not a great look for KU that they couldn’t figure it out if this is true.

Not a great look for him either in my opinion. You added a substance to your routine and started having issues, but did not remove that substance? You did not figure this out until after the season but were playing big minutes down the stretch? I would have more questions if I were a team.

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5 grams is the usual dose which is way more than basically any other supplement so I don’t know what you mean here.

I can’t think of any other drug or supplement I’ve taken with a higher dosage.

They aren’t going to give a dose because the story isn’t true.

But also most likely not the cause of this, I’d guess he was taking some absurd numbers.

There’s some science going around right now that the Silicon Valley people are obsessed with that says taking high doses of creatine has cognitive benefits

Doubt that has anything to do with Peterson here though

We’re in a world where young men listen to influencers and pseudoscience gym culture, not the medical staff at the university they’re representing.

Doesn’t have to be advised by anyone, could easily be his own conclusion

What did they consider a high dose? I get muscle cramps when taking 5g a day. Not to a debilitating level though.

If you want it to take months

5 is more maintenance but it needs to saturate and your not getting saturation in an elite athlete with 5g until a long time later 

Link to those studies?

Yeah, pretty much this creatine excuse makes sense if (1) he has kidney problems, and/or (2) he doesn’t drink enough water….

This guy supplements.

You don’t need to load for monohydrate either

Serum creatine is not a widely used lab value in medicine . If they used serum creatinine, that would still be elevated from chronic use even if he stopped for 2 wks. And elevated creatinine from creatine use does not represent kidney injury anyway.