Why even reach out to the Bucks about Giannis if you’re not willing to part with Mobley?

This isnt that crazy?? Like the understanding is those picks should be in the 20’s at least idk what other picks they have i guess but it isnt unreasonable its not like evan mobley is a franchise player

Cavs should’ve done it

but Milwaukee wanted Evan Mobley and all of their available first-round picks.

Interesting choice of words.

Were they not expecting Milwaukee to want anything in return?

I’m sorry, but I don’t and never have gotten the Mobley fascination.

Mobley and multiple firsts for Giannis? Yeah, of course. Lol.

Which is only intensified by the fact that the Cavs are trying to win NOW. Literally no other reason to trade for Harden.

Cavs should’ve hopped on that tf

Sounds about right, glad Cavs refused tho because Mobley not looking like a dude you could build around anymore

hows that not an immediate yes JFC

Should’ve done that

i bet the cavs will feel more and more bad about not selling high on mobley. he’s creeping closer to just being a bad contract the more he ages and the more he stays the same as a player

Mobley and 1 first ain’t enough for Giannis, as at the trade deadline the cavs only first they could trade was their 2031 first

Birdman hand rub

There’s like a dozen teams interested in Giannis, all of them refusing to “overpay”, as if they’re the only ones to have shown interest.

That’s a very favorable trade for the Cavs, why even start the convo if you’re not willing to give up assets for a top 3 player in the league

If you’re committing to a Harden team anyways, why not.

Giannis’ declining athleticism and over 30 injuries make for a weird situation. He hasn’t been what he was. Without athleticism he will be grounded without the shooting skills to fall back on.

Imagine the game of a 7ft tall Russell Westbrook who lost his athleticism. Not worth a haul.

Makes sense. Mobley is not a franchise player and those 1sts won’t have much value 

is this really news? this has basically been the package for every cleveland giannis trade. plus not like cleveland has a ton of high value picks. seems reasonable by bucks to demand

I’m saying yes to that trade yesterday, today, and tomorrow

Cavs sold hard holy

Sucking the soul out of the Cavs like a horny gf

The Cavs should ABSOLUTELY do that!

??? Why no to this???

Why are the Cavs doing this during the playoffs?

Like… maybe it would be prudent to preserve player confidence and team morale rn… right?

This is sad because this wouldve been good for everyone involved. Mobley needs a chance to develop in a high usage role…the funny part would Giannis and Harden on the same team

If I’m the cavs, I smash accept on that offer so fast wtf lmfao

Huge mistake for the Cavs to not take that when they are clearly in win-now mode and the east is wide open. If anything, the Bucks can get a better deal

And the Cavs didn’t immediately do the trade? Sounds like BS

let them lose their series first before the obituaries start please …

lmao the cavs should have gone for that wth

This was reported at the time.

I do that in a heartbeat?

Evan is a player that is overrated by their fanbase and underrated by everyone else. He was never allowed to just have the ball in his hands and go through those rookie learnings like so many other good players. In spite of that he’s had some good accomplishments but I truly think he would excel in another situation where he could be more of the #1 guy.

Man the Cavs really treating like those picks are gonna be something better than Giannis.

“These picks could be anything it could even be Giannis”

These GMs make it look so hard to be a GM and get paid millions to do so when I have been doing it on NBA2k for over 20 years and only get paid in off brand Reebok merch.

Why would you not be open to trading Mobley and 1sts for Giannis tho?

Like you’d truly rather have Evan Mobley, whoever you’re gonna draft at 29 this year and maybe whoever you’re going to draft at 20-30 in the next 2 or 3 drafts? That’s just stupid IMO.

Mobley is a really good player. Holding onto him if you have the chance to get a Giannis level player isn’t the right move.

What’s the last team that won a championship with 0 of their drafted all-stars?

Didn’t we only have 1 first to trade why didn’t we smash?

Love the last sentence’s subtext calling the Cavs idiots for not jumping on it immediately.

This Cavs squad with Giannis? I’d move the picks and Mobley

Seems like a reasonable price tbh.

bad in season move but perfect off season move if cavs dont reach ecf

With harden and Mitchell, Cleveland should have went all in and done it.

Cavs should have just did a soft rebuild around Mobley. Mitchell and Harden is a flawed aging back court. Could’ve probably gotten a good return for Mitchell, Garland and Allen if needed.

Now they just remind me of Portland with Dame and CJ.

Rumor has it Donovan Mitchell’s mom would have done this deal.

Does anyone know how many picks is that? Big difference if there’s only 2 available picks vs 5

Sometimes I wish players could move like players in the soccer world. Keep the cap to maintain sanity but getting a ton of cash from a Giannis sale would finance Free Agency and then some.

I wonder if Portland can get involved if this gets revisited. Blazers get Mobley, Milwaukee gets some of their draft capital back from Portland, and Cavs get Giannis and get to keep a bit more of their own draft capital.

A young player or players would also have to go out likely from Portland to Milwaukee, i.e., Sharpe, Scoot, etc.

I’m not sure what Cleveland’s “available draft capital” is at the moment but for a team that’s decently high seed and looks to continue to be decently high seed… isn’t this a very reasonable ask? If you’re in the market for Giannis, and there are a lot of reasons not to be but if you are, how are you possibly looking to play in the market but think that this price is too high?

What’s with the love affair with Mobley? Meh

The Lakers need to trade Austin Reeves for Giannis.

Welp, the Cavs fumbled it

Idk about all the picks but yeah Mobley and some picks and a few other pieces I’m down.

Probably should have done it given what’s happening to the lottery anyway

Harden Giannis PNR man…

The deal needed to be Mobley + Garland for Giannis and junk salary so Milwaukee could pretend to be competitive. But Garland to LA made that impossible.

Overtime the price for giannis is only gonna get lower and lower

… They should have done it lol

Ok how many firsts we talkin tho? Mobley alone obv aint enough for Giannis lol….all these teams think they can pull a Luka now or what.

The Bucks will end up getting a very underwhelming package for Giannis or won’t trade him at all. I doubt a lot of teams are willing to trade away their future for an aging injury-prone star whose game is so reliant on explosiveness and athletic abilities and who has only one year left on his contract.

I’m not sure how many picks but not wanting to give up Mobley is insane lol

I’ve seen Mobley in action in the playoffs and wasn’t impressed, I would do that trade after negotiating for a bit less picks involved.

I guess not everyone can throw away their future like the Clippers. We don’t all have a corrupt owner with endless ambition and funds, oh and LA as the backdrop too. Love it

Should have given it to them! Giannis with Mitchell along with Harden!

This makes it seem like the Cavs are stupid, but it leaves out that Mobley plus picks for Giannis would have been an illegal trade. Cavs were a second apron team before the deadline, so they would have had to send enough extra salary to get under that. It would have had to have been about $15mil too, so now you’re talking about gutting their depth and future for Giannis

Are teams more gun shy about trading a young star and a crazy amount of firsts after the OKC stuff? 

At first glance the asking price seems pretty standard? 

They should have taken that deal. That’s such an easy trade

Cavs were willing to give up Mobley plus all of our future picks. The bucks rejected it.

What the bucks wanted was Mobley + Cavs picks + more picks. The trade at the time would have been.

Bucks: Mobley Mathurin Cavs future first Pacers future first (less protection)

Cavs: Giannis Plus bucks bad contract for filler.

Pacers: Jarrett Allen

The Cavs did not want to give up both Allen and Mobley for Giannis. Cavs left the original offer and the bucks wouldn’t take

The Cavs should know the conversation starts with Mobley. Anything else is just bad faith lol

good thing they didnt cause we wouldnt get 7 games of raps more like a broom lol

Schröder getting traded again…🙄

So basically Mobley + 4 FRPs (every other year from this year through 2032). Presumably they’d have to all be unprotected. [edit: never mind, they still have picks committed to swaps from the Mitchell trade in ²⁰²⁶⁄₂₀₂₈ and they traded their 2029 first already so they can only trade their 2031 or 2032 1st]. Honestly i feel like Cleveland might have done that last season, but Giannis isn’t getting any younger and he’s been getting injured at an increasingly consistent rate over the past few seasons. Also, they like their double big lineup with Allen/Mobley, and I don’t know that going from Mobley/Allen/Thomas Bryant to Allen/Bryant for a center rotation is appealing to them. Cleveland also has multiple good-but-streaky shooters, especially since Dean Wade has been closer to league average the last couple years, compared to the very good season he had 2 seasons ago. Allen also clogs the paint a bit since his offense is like entirely putbacks, very short hooks/floaters, and lobs. Some anti-synergy there methinks

On the other hand, while Mobley is a great defender (obviously a great rim protector, great weakside help defender, and decently ok on-ball defender) and has shown the ability to space the floor (3pt% took a bit of a dip this season again, but he did maintain 37% for the last two seasons, albeit 2 seasons ago it was very low volume)…. it does feel like sometimes he just lacks something. Obviously still a very young guy with room to grow, but every time i watch him I just can’t help but feel like he’s a bit softer than I like. Someone with his skillset should honestly be more aggressive than he is on both ends, but between his relative lack of bulk and the lack of that fire or whatever you want to call it, he just gets pushed around a bit on defense against a lot of other bigs. And while he CAN hit 3s, it’s not really consistent enough that he can afford to more aggressively call for shots at the line or midrange jumpers, which it feels like he should be.

Bah. I dunno, I can see the arguments both ways, so I don’t think it’s particularly criminal of them to settle on either side of this decision.

[edit: after thinking about the picks more actually it would be like Mobley + 1 FRP and maybe some 2nds or something as well. Then Cavs turned it down purely on the basis of Mobley’s hopeful continued development, basically. Hmmm.]

Uh Yeah that seems reasonable…

Why are you all saying trading Mobley for Giannis is an easy decision? Mobley is an all NBA defensive player and has expanded his game to include 3 point shooting at a high clip. He is still very young and not yet in his prime.

Meanwhile, Giannis is getting older and missed a ton of games this season. His game has clear limitations given he doesn’t really have a jump shot. As his athleticism declines, so will his game.

The cavs would further mortgage their long term future for what they hope would be a 2 year or so window to win a championship. Doesn’t seem smart to me.

Edit: Mobley is also a solid rebounder