Isaiah Hartenstein in 5 playoff games so far: 10.4⁄8.4⁄2.4 on 80.3% TS
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/hartenstein-stats-playoffs-this-year
10.4 points
8.4 rebounds
2.4 assists
0.8 steals, 1 block
Just incredible player. Does his role perfectly
His floater was hitting tonight which was welcoming. Hopefully he can keep that consistency up.
the Hartenstein negotiation this offseason is probably already wrapped up, knowing Presti
theyre definitely not letting him go
Have to keep him. With Sorber getting hurt, and how much better our record is with Hartenstein available, they have no choice but to make it work.
I expect them to let Dort go given his struggles this year especially on offense(and they have Wallace).
It’ll be a trade, signaled by his switch to Klutch
Lu Dort you are an LA Laker
Yep. They’ll have the space for it in the offseason. Or else some other team would have to throw a giant bag at him. I have to imagine it will be an IHart level of bag.
It has to be the lakers with the rich Paul ties you don’t sign to rich Paul to not make money
It’s always about the money. But with LeBron leaving LA it probably won’t be Lakers or bust anymore
Lu fits a lot of their needs. Perimeter scoring and on-ball defense. It’ll be harrowing to see him in yellow and gold but good on him
Not even a joke, that’s where he’s likely going and he’d help them a lot, too.
nah, he’s pat riley’s big move this offseason
no reason for us to trade him to a potential rival unless we get frp’s in return
I think the idea of signing Sorber was so it would be a lot easier to let Ihart go but with Sorber getting hurt and Ihart taking a step forward this year I hope they rethought that plan and do what it takes to keep him. My guess is Dort is on the chopping block now.
Look at my beautiful iHart
Second most important player with Dub out
Chet is not second?
Ihart basically runs the offense outside shai. I feel like we average under 100 ppg and have a bad record with him out. He’s an extremely important player
He’s not more important than Chet or even JDub tho lol
hart fills a more specific exploitable need than jdub does. hes not better than either but okc loses to bigger teams without him
Which means his role/impact is more replaceable lol i’m fairly certain Sorber can provide a similar impact (possibly more if he develops well) to what IHart brings
I still think IHart’s important, he’s the 4th/5th most important player for our team right now, but some Thunder fans are completely overrating him if they’re saying he’s more valuable than Chet or JDub
The first half without Chet offensive plays lakers would have been up.
People try too hard to seem smart on this sub
Ain’t no way you watched tonight’s game and came out with this conclusion LMAO IHart was horrible most of this game
Chet is clearly the 2nd most important on this team, with JDub being a close 3rd
Jdub barely plays, once his contract kicks in we’ll really see if he’s that guy.
IHart isn’t exactly an ironman either, JDub was a 2nd option for a championship team while playing with a torn wrist ligament
IHart’s impact/role is way more replaceable than JDub’s. IHart is a decent defender that’s a plus rebounder and passer but thats it. JDub is a #2 that can guard 1-4 at an All Defense level
Ihart is not just decent, i dont think yall understand the market for size rn. he’s smart, strong, and a surprisingly good passer. His floater is money, offensively and defensively consistent. I cant name one guy that could replace him that doesnt cost an arm and leg.
Brother i’ve watched a vast majority of his games since he’s been a Thunder, i know his strengths and weaknesses
None of the first part was wrong but he’s still not near the impact/value of Chet or JDub. He’s extremely limited as a scorer, is very exploitable on defense against 5 out offenses, and is good, not great, defender
Im not saying he’s bad but if yall are trying to convince people he’s our 2nd most important player, he’s wildly overrated. Sorber could easily provide similar (possibly more if he develops well) impact
Im not saying that, misread your post
Jdub barely plays? Lol you realize this isnt his rookie year right
In under 24 mpg
He’s been playing basically perfect basketball all playoffs long, any team would be blessed to have him
Props to him for becoming a really really good player.
Miss this man
He’s played well but he’s becoming overrated imo, people saying he’s our 2nd most important player when he’s more like 4th or 5th
Still very impactful but his value is only perceived so high because we have no good rebounders outside of him/Chet/JWill
Stop.
His stats don’t show, but the entire offense works much smoother with him in. It’s rusty with him out.
Defensively, he’s the only one that matches up against big bodies.
With Dub out we won 20+ in a row. Last year, we had a long period without Chet and one without IHart. We won a lot more games with IHart than we did with Chet.
Offense runs smoother yes but he’s still overrated lol i appreciate the top of the key passing/playmaking but he’s not the 2nd most important player on our team
Defensively, yes he helps with guys like Jokic but he’s also a net negative when playing against any team that plays 5 out. He was getting hunted in the Pacers matchup for a reason. He was even getting hunted by Ayton tonight lol
Yall hold on to that for so long even though Shai was the reason for that. IHart isn’t a bad player by any means but some of yall overrate him so much. He’s an extremely limited scorer, is a good (not great) defender, and can’t guard the perimeter/5 out offenses at all
His advanced metrics are elite for a reason. Ask yourself, remove one single player aside from sga and which one do we lose the most games with? It’s not even a question, it’s when IHart is out.
Ayton hunting and got 5-12 is nothing. It’s when do we win games, and the numbers do not lie
There’s no way you truly believe a (great) role player is more important than Chet who’s an All Star and 1st team All NBA defender with stretch 3 ball ability. Let’s be serious.
I believe numbers. You don’t believe numbers? Wins tell the story that you don’t get.
Who wins more? If you don’t care about that then it’s just who you have a crush on
You can stare at graphics all day long, it’s painfully clear Chet and JDub are better players are far more important to winning. It’s far easier to find a veteran big to defend and catch lobs than it is to find Chet’s rim protection and stretch ability and JDub’s two way ability. “The supporting actor did good so they’re more important than the lead” ass logic
So a win loss column is a graphic? Ok buddy
That’s why we got bounced in the 2nd without him and then won the championship his first year.
Just say you got a boy crush and don’t look at the win loss column, it’s ok
LMAO again, there’s no way fully healthy you think IHart is our 2nd most important player. He’s easily the most replaceable out of Shai/Chet/JDub. Chet has far superior advanced metrics and JDub is a certified 2nd option while defending 1-4 at an All defense level. Theres no argument he’s more valuable than either
IHart also had the worst on/off last postseason despite both Chet/JDub struggling and JDub literally playing with one hand
Did you watch the game? Ayton went on a mini 6-0 run by himself because he kept attacking IHart at one point. Ayton going 5-11 is more because of Chet/help defense, not because IHart.
If you’re going by wins, we’ve been the 1st seed since Chet has played, think that should be a clear sign he’s more valuable/impactful
Chet and Dub are better stars, the team undeniably wins more games with IHart. If you think wins are a bad sign then what are we playing basketball for? Lmao
The on/off is a garbage stat based on rotations. You should just stop if you’re using that stat.
Chet has major choked in the playoffs. And it’s ok he’s young and has trouble at the 5 against anyone strong. Being the top seed has had more to do with a complete team coming together while SGA started playing MVP level ball.
Sucks that people like you can’t see what the guy does, but he helped us get from 2nd round bounce to championship, no question.
Chet has major choked in the playoffs??? Chet has 3x the scoring responsibility that IHart ever has on this team + more defensive responsibility. IHart literally has less scoring responsibilities than fucking Dort
Oh yeah IHart so important to our team that he played less than 20 MPG in the WCF and Finals last year, compared to Chet +JDub who both played well over 28 MPG because our team literally needed them to
Like I said, he got exposed against the Wolves/Pacers last year (evident in his minutes), he’s easily the most replaceable out of the 3 and its going to show in their contracts.
I can’t believe IHart > Chet or JDub is even being argued, yall are wildly overrating IHart that its laughable
You’re like the people for the nuggets that think Murray > Gordon because of contract. It’s a lazy way of thinking. Without IHart, Chet had 4 games in the Mavs series below 45% TS. One of them 32% TS. That’s fucking horrendous and part of the reason we lost that series. IHart isn’t there to score, he’s there to make sure everyone else gets good looks, and he does that really well. There’s just not any stat that shows that except for advanced stats, which love this guy for good reason.
Also if he has 3x the scoring responsibility he should at least double IHart’s points lmao He doesn’t. You know who has the highest FG% on the whole team? It’s IHart.
Well no im basing this on counting stats, advanced stats, eye test, role/impact, and age/potential. All of which say Chet and JDub are clearly more valuable than IHart
Chet was a rookie big men coming off a season ending injury, god forbid he struggled in the playoffs as a rookie. Again, IHart has NEVER had the responsibilities that Chet has had even when Chet was a rookie. Again his role is so replaceable, IHart isn’t some outlier tier talent, he’s good but other bigs can easily replicate his impact
Funny how you keep saying advanced stats when Chet has the significantly better advanced stats. IHart’s advanced stats don’t justify a 8/8/2 player over a championship team 2nd option who guards 1-4 at a All Defense level or a championship 2nd/3rd option who plays DPOY level defense
Presti himself wouldn’t even choose IHart over Chet or JDub, evident by the extensions. Im not sure he would even choose IHart over Ajay if he could keep one