Chris Finch on Victor Wembanyama: “He had a lot of blocks, he had a couple of uncalled goaltendings too. Those are valuable points we’d like to have back.”
This isnt the first time either. Wemby has so many goaltends that aren’t counted. That TSJ one last night was so bad.. it was easily a goaltend and ref just stood there
They missed a basket interference in the 4th quarter I think. Wemby grabbed the net while the ball was bouncing around the rim
That was so blatant. I was shocked that wasn’t called.
I mean in Boston-Philly they ruled that Derrick White grabbing the net wasn’t a basket interference even after a challenge
It’s only if it affects the shot or rim in some way. In White’s case the ball was already away from the rim before he touched the net.
True already forgot about that
Grabbing the net is only basket interference if it causes the ball to bounce unnaturally off the rim or prevents the ball from passing through the net.
He just flails his arms at the ball a lot of times.
As opposed to what?
Damn. Imagine if he tried
“Are we sure Wemby is a good defender?”
He’s an other worldly defender. Dude is going to have multiple DPOYs. Like a historic amount.
It would be nice if refs called fouls on Randle and Mcdaniels like they did on Castle, once both of them got to 5, refs gave them the benefit of the doubt on everything and just let them play
It would be nice if they called fouls on Wemby under the basket too.
Notice how I didn’t argue for them to give Spurs more leeway, just call a fair game, Chris Finch tries to game the refs every series as if Randle and McDaniels aren’t very physical themselves and get away with hand fighting like many other physical defenders (Castle included), this sub looks at flairs over arguments.
Jaden was in foul trouble almost the whole game
My argument is that once him and Randle hit 5, they got away with anything, Castle on the other hand has fouled out of 2 playoff games now, if they were universal with trying to keep guys in the game once they hit 4-5, then there’s no argument, but Castle wasn’t extended the same ‘grace’.
I was fine with Castle’s fouls except his fifth one. That one was obviously an offensive foul committed by Randle. And the refs realized it was such a bad call they immediately called a moving screen on the wolves right after to make up for it
I agree, and kinda felt like we got screwed worse than you did because I’m pretty sure the moving screen call was on McDaniels
I don’t know what weird agenda you’re on but I would say it’s the opposite.
Johnson has had to call reviews on good blocks quite a few times during the season.
I don’t think Finch should talk about the refereeing seeing how many soft calls they did on Castle while allowing much more physicality from randle
Refs missed calls on both sides but consistently missing actual points is a way worst thing Jaden was basically taken out the game early mostly on calls like castles
If we start counting every actual foul I am not sure the Wolves come ahead. Gobert and Randle moved on every single screen for example, and not a single one was called. Actually, they called a foul on Fox once for trying to go around one and pushing off.
What I mean to say is I don’t know what the Wolves/Finch are complaining about today. If they want the game to be reffed tighter they probably have more to lose than the Spurs so I would be careful about what you wish for.
Actually, they called a foul on Fox once for trying to go around one and pushing off.
Because that was a blatant foul by Fox. He wasn’t even trying to get around Gobert he just wrapped up his arm and then pushed him
After Gobert slided three times to not let him move around. Come on even on the game thread the Wolves fans were calling it a moving screen.
Moving screens are like carries - the actual rule and the way it’s actually called have a loose relationship, and it’s pretty fairly interpreted (even if it doesn’t match the rulebook)
Hilarious honestly. For ten years people were crying about the Warriors’ moving screens but now since it’s the underdog doing it they’re fairly interpreted
I think the Warriors issue is the excessive arms, but go off.
The Warriors were like patient zero and they got railed for getting away with it online and in media. Now everyone does the same thing and everyone is essentially allowed to do it. Similar to Harden reinventing what traveling and “gather step” mean. I mean you can be mad that that is how the game is called but you can’t really be mad every time it happens now.
You mean like that no foul call when Wemby got dunked on by Randle at the end of the 1st quarter?
That was egregious. Smacked his arm and got him with the body. Randle got some soft calls in the second half but got fouled at least 3 times in the first half with no call.
It’s ok randle would’ve missed the free throw anyways
At least one of the goaltends was clearly off the backboard first - I don’t know how they can’t implement a technological solution for this
I don’t know how they can’t implement a technological solution for this
My reaction to 90% of sports calls tbh. We have unrivaled technology but Ole’ Bill has been doing this for years so we trust his eyes
They can go back and TAKE AWAY points for stepping out of bounds on corner 3s
But for some reason they refuse to add points for missed goaltends
I think the idea is that they never want to overrule a non-whistle, but I’m not sure why that’s an important threshold to maintain.
Isn’t taking away points for out of bounds shots overruling a non-whistle? What’s the difference?
lol I have no idea. Maybe it’s a “take points away” vs. “add points” thing?
I think it’s that it’s easier to take points away because the possession ended on the made basket.
So if a player stepped out of bounds then hit a 3, the possession technically ended either way.
But if someone goal-tends a shot, what if the team gets the rebound and puts it back up? Or what if the goal-tend happens but then the team that goal-tended promptly turns it over and the original team scores? Because the possession doesn’t end, it’s hard to just go add points.
Called 2s that are actually 3s are also adjusted!
Spurs also lost a free lane to the basket bc of an inadvertent whistle.
Like wtf you swallow your whistle all game then blow it inadvertently to fuck up a possession in game decided by 2 pnts??
Was that the weird play where the ball was on the ground and everybody was scrambling and Wemby kicked it and the Spurs gained possession and then they blew that whistle? That play should have been whistled down on the kick.
That wasn’t inadvertent they blew the whistle on purpose and then realized they shouldn’t have.
They love to show off the hawkeye thing for offensive goaltending, but there’s NO WAY they couldn’t implement a similar solution to see if the ball hit the backboard before it was touched.
Also offensive goaltending is stupid and it should go away a la FIBA.
The problem is the ball hitting the backboard first isn’t an automatic goaltending.
What?
The ball hitting the backboard first is most certainly automatic goaltending if the ball is in the vicinity of the hoop.
It has to have a chance of going in. If you throw up some wild shit around Wemby and he swats it after it hits the backboard it’s not a goal tend
And it was actually baseball to adapt first of all sports. The umps are losing their minds.
How are all the bets supposed to hit man, think of the bets!
Dirty refs will have harder time fixing games once technology is introduced
Yeah I don’t believe that’s actually an issue, or if it is it’s really limited. I think most things people blame on crooked-ness is actually competence issues.
Blocking a shot that hits the backboard first isn’t automatically a goaltend.
The shot has to have a chance to go in.
It doesn’t have to be a buzzer - it could be a visual that the refs can choose to ignore.
A.i + about a dozen cameras can replace refs
It’s pretty shocking in these game threads and other posts seemingly no one is mentioning MULTIPLE obvious goaltends.. just the stat line of 12 blocks. Don’t get me wrong the dude is a great defender but man there was some egregious officiating tonight specifically in favor of Wemby.
What game thread were you looking at? Everyone was talking about the goaltends. There was one dude in there maintaining a list every time Wemby got another block.
There was at least one thread about it that was deleted…
Man hes done it all year. Almost every game I watch of him he has a goaltend and ref dont do shit
Because most people that comment here just look at the stat line and don’t watch the game.
I guess he’s so tall they referee him differently then
They have all year. I’ve seen countless of goaltends by him they wont even review
Hmmmm… they need to change the rules for him like Shaq made them do
Refs care way too much about reputation tbh
Players with good defensive reputations don’t commit fouls and players with good offensive reputations get fouled a lot.
For sure … refs better be careful AI doesn’t take some of their jobs due to human bias
This is like JJJ in 2023 when refs let him freely foul people at the rim and he won DPOY
Goaltending should be something they can go back (if the defending team gets the rebound) and revert similar to a player having a foot on the line. It is clear and objective and it would be an automatic 2 points so no issues that would affect game flow like shooting free throws after the fact
I honestly assumed it was… lol
Nope you can challenge it if it is called but no call is just play on which is BS you can take away points from out of bounds plays you should be able to check that as well, they have the tech for it
I mean, it can lead to a transition/fast break opportunity off the rebound rather than a whistle and inbounding under the basket.
Or what if the offense gets the rebound and then gets fouled? Or commits an offensive foul? Do you take those calls back? Could potentially get messy.
That’s probably the league’s justification for the current approach, but I’d argue leaving points off the board seems like a bigger issue than continuity with game flow.
Oh my I can see the Wemby hate incoming. lol man yal really hate everyone in the league
People just want the game called fairly and evenly man
Bro it was a physical game all around and you guys won. Complaining about calls after a win is just kinda lame. But it’s Finch’s whole personality at this point after all the OKC matchups so I get it.
Are you saying there weren’t goaltends or are you just mad he’s talking about them?
They were definitely goal-tends, but I also doubt they were the only bad calls and I doubt that the wolves didn’t get any favorable calls (which I know they did because I watched the whole game). I think it’s just cringe behavior to complain after a win.
The difference is a goaltend is literally the only blown call that literally takes points off the board.
A missed foul doesn’t automatically mean the player would have scored, etc.
Sure again, it’s just corny to be a sore winner. We lost and we ain’t complaining about any calls. Hell Castle literally got fouled out by the refs but we ain’t blaming that. We had a chance to win and we didn’t move on to the next game. Victim mentality ain’t gonna get you to the finals bro.
I think this callout on goaltending is vastly different than talking about physical play and fouls. Goaltending is a clear cut case. Shouldn’t be a subjective thing. It’s a missed call that costs points.
I’m not arguing that the goaltending should be allowed, it’s just the complaining after a win is kinda funny. I’m sure there were things the wolves got away with. Also Wemby did get like 9 legit blocks, I’m sure the refs just sorta got used to him blocking everything. It’s not like it was 2 out of 3 goal tends it was 2 out of fucking 12.
It’s also just kinda getting old from Finch complaining about the refs. There’s a victim mentality that’s a little cringe.
TF does physicality have to do with goaltending
I just mean that there were a lot of things that were not called. This series for sure ain’t gonna be called like Lakers OKC. I ain’t denying the goaltends and they will probably call them next game if they happen, but as I’ve said in every other reply this is giving sore winner from Finch.
But hey all respect I love playing you guys and hope it’s either you or us that make it to the finals. At least yall play hard.
I mean, in the modern NBA this is what you gotta do in order to get the refs to not be so blatant.
Hate the game, not the player 🤷🏻
Thats not wembys fault lol
nobody’s shitting on him they’re just saying ref it correct
It is when he pats himself on the back for playing “ethical” basketball
So why does he “see the wemby hate incoming?”
Hes just trying to block shots.
dawg that dude is saying he sees others hating not him
Yes. “Others” is who im referring to.
The switch up is fucking crazy lmfao
Nobody’s switching up lol
You blind lmfao
This man is the NBA’s Jerome Powell
6 points is what people are saying
This guy will just have a coaching masterclass and then turn in to the bitchiest coach in the league.
Gonna probably get downvoted just based on my flair alone, but he gets away with goaltendings all the time just based strictly on his height.
Downvoting for the flair
Watching wemby isn’t particularly entertaining imo, he’s just super tall and flails around a lot.
You’re not exactly wrong. Until he develops a post game and better shot creation he’s pretty unskilled other than just using his height to block and shoot
Wemby with a post game is the best player in the league by a massive margin. Hard to call him “unskilled” when he’s knocking on the door of all-time greatness at 22
Its funny how fast the Wemby hating arrived lmao
“please call the goaltends” = hating
People were calling obvious blocks goaltends. Yes there were one or two uncalled goaltends but people are honestly saying half of his blocks were not legal which is obviously not true
“None of the blocks were goaltends except for the obvious goaltends”
Bro people are calling that Edwards block a goaltend when it wasn’t even close to a goaltend. People are complaining about that Julius Randle play when Barnes blocked Randle before so it definitely wasn’t a goaltend. There was one obvious goaltend they missed. People are legit saying he had 5 or 6 uncalled goaltends which is obviously not true.
Ayyy man I’m just commenting on how I found your original statement funny. Wemby definitely had some great blocks last night, there’s no discounting that. It was the whole people are saying all his blocks are goaltends, yes there were goaltends (that didn’t get called)…. That’s all
Wild to put something in quotes that was never said or even implied at all.
Shit like this is how I know the people bitching about the one or two uncalled goaltends don’t actually have much behind their bitching.
You’re just looking for a reason to be mad. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have made up a quote and acted like that’s what was said.
That tends to happen when the guy gets away with multiple egregious fouls in a 2 point game
This isn’t hating you weirdo
Im not talking about Finch. Im talking about the comments in here. Wemby was holier than thou just last week.
People are straight up calling him unskilled, in this thread. That’s 100% hating
Unless you’re saying he gets away with this every game, I don’t think that’s what’s going on at all. We can all celebrate the guy’s talent and still think, in this one game, there were some missed calls that directly impacted the record-breaking headline
Welcome to the Chris Finch bitch fest, folks. But yes, they missed some. He’s so unique that I think there may need to be another angle for a video review to officiate them or something.
Do you want him not to complain about 6 gifted points in a 2 point game?
The wolves aren’t officiated well and historically finch’s approach of taking his complaints public has yielded results.
“Aren’t officiated well” is an interesting spin on “not well coached”.
I said what I meant.
I understand that you’re an OKC fan and are obligated to use mental gymnastics to defend how your team plays basketball, but if the worst thing my coach does is call out the bullshit that the league allows, I’ll take it.
Thunder fans lol
If Chet had this whistle no OKC opponent would ever cross 85 points
Chet is very disciplined with his defense, usually hands up and not looking for the block. I’m sure you simply don’t watch OKC games.
Yeah because he has an awful whistle. If he could just maul and goaltend everything it would be a lot easier.
Chet’s defensive impact isn’t even his shot blocking (although that’s fucking amazing) it’s his ability to alter shots with his verticality without fouling