Wavepops

115 | 6 hours ago

Franz injury ended the series

asa091 | Lakers

2 | an hour ago

As a neutral fan, at least the next round will be more interesting. I don’t like to watch 4-0 and 4-1’s in the 2nd round on Magic VS Cavs and Wolves VS Spurs, Lakers VS OKC. I included my team because I don’t think that players coming from strains will do any good in the court. All grade 2 strains will make them hobbled and limited for half a year. Injuries seems to be getting worse every year.

One_Bop

-45 | 5 hours ago

just like Ant Edwards and DiVicenzo right? COPE HARDER 😂

Wavepops

27 | 5 hours ago

What does that have to do with anything?

One_Bop

-39 | 4 hours ago

you know exactly what my statement meant

popop143 | Celtics

11 | 4 hours ago

Yeah that you’re an ass

Firewulf976 | Timberwolves

5 | 3 hours ago

Begone agenda poster, we don’t claim you

bubbasnub | Magic

116 | 6 hours ago

We managed to stay competitive, but the loss of Franz two-way ability was felt. He closed out G3 for us with two huge shots along with great defense. Health has been a huge issue for him the past few seasons too.

Specialist-Pin-3976

26 | 5 hours ago

Felt like him being on Cade let Suggs play free safety and junk up everything in the middle.

bubbasnub | Magic

6 | 5 hours ago

Yeah, starting him on Cade was huge and by the time Cade was used to Franz, we threw different looks at him.

Level_Ad_6372 | Pistons

22 | 5 hours ago

Franz’s defense is criminally underrated

bubbasnub | Magic

9 | 5 hours ago

very much. He’s really our best two-way guy and his stats with Paolo out last season were 26/6/6 (13-7 record) before he got afflicted with the same oblique injury.

em_washington | Pistons

1 | 3 hours ago

Franz played ³⁴⁄₈₂ games during the regular season, so playing ⁴⁄₇ games in this series was actually an over performance on health.

bubbasnub | Magic

1 | 3 hours ago

Yeah, they took a gamble and it nearly worked out.

heat_fan_ | Raptors

84 | 6 hours ago

Franz injury was a big turning point

Kdot32 | Rockets

8 | 5 hours ago

Problem is hes always getting injured

Blinnking

2 | 4 hours ago

During the series and the season

One_Bop

-24 | 5 hours ago

just like Ant Edwards and DiVicenzo right? COPE HARDER 😂

legend023 | Pelicans

28 | 6 hours ago

Scottie Barnes gonna have him in prison next round

Crafty_Substance_954 | Pistons

46 | 6 hours ago

Cade has traditionally played quite well against Scottie.

Toronto won’t be able to neutralize Duren so easily either.

AnonimousMn471 | Bucks

10 | 6 hours ago

Colin Murray Boyles

Domainsetter

-7 | 6 hours ago

CMB is the much better choice if it happens. Also Poeltl owned Duren already.

do_you_even_liftbro | Pistons

18 | 5 hours ago

Jalen Duren last time he faced him had ³¹⁄₉ shot ¹²⁄₁₃ from the field, ⁷⁄₇ on free throws.. Owned by Poeltl sure lmaoo

Specialist-Pin-3976

5 | 6 hours ago

Should be an easy win for Toronto then I guess.

MartinLoofer | Pistons

4 | 5 hours ago

What happened two weeks after that?

Otherwise-Data5181 | Knicks

8 | 6 hours ago

Duren will neutralize himself

drummeRears

11 | 5 hours ago

He averaged 24 and 13 against Toronto. This is a favorable matchup for him

FiveDollarShake | Raptors

2 | 6 hours ago

Ya Duran would be a tough one unless Poetl can somehow not foul people every play

whobroughtmehere | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

Former teammates, I suppose he knows Barnes’ tendencies pretty well

Kindly_Letterhead_98

0 | 6 hours ago

Playoff basketball

TheRealBrownPudding | Clippers

13 | 6 hours ago

Weren’t they teammates at Montverde

JARB0 | Pistons

7 | 6 hours ago

Yes

imnotNDR | Pistons

5 | 5 hours ago

hes the “n em” in “cade n em”

ybgdon_ | Wizards

-1 | 6 hours ago

What do you think? You kno the answer so stop asking ridiculous questions!!!

MiNaMonator | Spurs

2 | 6 hours ago

Nice profile picture. Looks like a very distinguished gentleman.

ybgdon_ | Wizards

-2 | 6 hours ago

Yep

Subject_One_1673 | 76ers

13 | 6 hours ago

Why are you talking like Raptors won the game hasn’t started lmao

JudgmentDue610 | Thunder

2 | 5 hours ago

Bro that’s what I’m saying, I was confused asl

icemankiller8 | Pistons

11 | 6 hours ago

This season against the raptors he averaged 30, 9 and 5 on 55% shooting and 42% from 3

DifficultWave4488

7 | 6 hours ago

People really just be saying shit on here with no logic behind it and everyone agrees. Cade isn’t a top 3 player in the league but he’s also not this overrated bum like people in here were saying. “The most overrated #1 on the worst #1 seed ever” is what they were saying when it was 3-1. Like calm down everyone. The Raptors are not going to just “shut him down” like it’s nothing.

Funny-Transition7869 | Pacers

2 | 6 hours ago

maybe, but lets be honest the entire raptors team is gonna be in prison aswell

brnccnt7

2 | 5 hours ago

Exactly

Acting like the pistons won’t give them defensive issues either lol

Accomplished_Law7299

1 | an hour ago

Scottie Barnes will be at home watching the game with Zion next serious

T1Earn |

22 | 6 hours ago

unfortunately Magic wouldve won 4-1 if he didnt get injured

Marrouge | Pistons

44 | 6 hours ago

Magic should’ve won 4-2 when they were up by 24 at home lmao

T1Earn |

5 | 6 hours ago

and having Franz wouldve been up by 40

Accomplished_Law7299

1 | an hour ago

Was Franz playing when the Pistons went on a 30-3 run?

No_Albatross916 | Pistons

18 | 6 hours ago

Magic were losing in game 5 when Franz got hurt

Tabooharmony | Lakers

3 | 4 hours ago

He got hurt in game 4 third quarter

RiggyTang | Nuggets

1 | 6 hours ago

The entire team besides Paolo also went ice cold for the final 6 quarters

KingOfKetchup | Iran

1 | 6 hours ago

and Lakers lost game 5 with AR back shit happens but they closed out game 6

having everyone doesn’t mean guaranteed win but also means a better chance of them not blowing it 3 games in a row

machinegungeek

6 | 5 hours ago

But OP said they’d win the series 4-1 and thus win Game 5. So pointing out that that they were down in Game 5 even with Franz refutes the 4-1 claim. They probably win in 6 with him.

Ambitious-Visual207 | Pistons

13 | 6 hours ago

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

Smuckerz4Lyfe | Knicks

-1 | 6 hours ago

That’s right, you’re getting it.

T1Earn |

-3 | 6 hours ago

your aunt never had balls

Prideofmexico | Knicks

1 | 5 hours ago

All the pistons needed to pull off the upset

crander47 | Pistons

0 | 5 hours ago

Coulda woulda shoulda

Trimax42 | Germany

24 | 6 hours ago

Bear in mind that even before his new injury, Franz was visibly not at 100%.

Shows again that availability is the best ability

RiggyTang | Nuggets

19 | 6 hours ago

Holy fuck that’s crazy. Did not know he clamped him that hard

GeneralNonsence | Pistons

21 | 6 hours ago

It’s twofold, Paolo and Franz both hunting him on defense constantly to wear him out. I think Cade is a good defender, but having 2 6’10 players actively trying to score through you would tire any guard out.

afjecj | Magic

6 | 5 hours ago

I do agree but I think Cade’s ball secirity isn’t quite as elite as the rest of his game yet like if you watch shai you will see that he basically shields the ball using his body which just isn’t something I saw from cade this series. I gotta admit if the raptors won tonight I think Scottie / CMB will cause cade serious problems in terms of turnovers

GeneralNonsence | Pistons

4 | 5 hours ago

Maybe

Cade has handled Scottie okay before, but Scottie is a damn monster.

Hopefully Duren is out of whatever funk he was in as well, Cade having duren to lob it to is what keeps his turnovers from being too too bad.

BigDaddyD1994 | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

You started to see the beginnings of it in this game. The next series will be a chance for him to change the narrative

i_peaked_at_bronze | Knicks

18 | 6 hours ago

Franz had bruh in jail, too bad he’s always injured at random. Good luck to the magic bros getting out of Suggs contract because he sucks!

Accomplished_Law7299

2 | an hour ago

Still couldn’t stop him from averaging over 30 points in the first 4 games

Any_Masterpiece5317 | Pistons

5 | 6 hours ago

Thats possible, or Cade adjusts and scores on him too

At the end of the day, he didn’t play, we can play hypotheticals all day until they play again next postseason

Wavepops

1 | 6 hours ago

Franz healthy enough to play does win them the series but franz was already injured coming into the series. Playoffs is about luck as well

Any_Masterpiece5317 | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

Let me get those lottery numbers from that crystal ball while you got it out

Wavepops

4 | 5 hours ago

I mean it’s very clear the magic had no one for Cade once franz got hurt. That’s the clear biggest change these last 3 games. But that’s how luck works with playoff runs

help1slip

1 | 5 hours ago

That’s deep bro… Both possible and not possible at the same time

Kronk_vibes

1 | 5 hours ago

schrodinger’s basketball. Its in a superposistion of both states until you look at the box score and collapse the magics season

Any_Masterpiece5317 | Pistons

0 | 5 hours ago

I know, thats how guessing works

Aggravating-Bus-9203

5 | 5 hours ago

Franz is the mvp of the magic even though they make banchero the face

Old_Supermarket_7575 | Thunder

3 | 5 hours ago

It’s still a 3-1 comeback, but like

We’ve had 2 3-1s sullied by injuries

ShoegazeKaraokeClub | 76ers

5 | 4 hours ago

I think Joel missing games unasterisks JT missing a game

Old_Supermarket_7575 | Thunder

0 | 4 hours ago

No but it adds onto the 3-1 being less significant

Sixers don’t go down 1-3 if they’re healthy in my opinion

And 3-1 comeback looks very different if the Celtics are healthy

peanut-britle-latte | Knicks

3 | 5 hours ago

It was a huge turning point, no idea what would’ve happened but this series deserved to be settled with Franz on the floor.

Methamine | Knicks

3 | 5 hours ago

Yeah the Magic had this excuse absolutely built in

But then they blew game 6, which negates this excuse

Appropriate_Book_591

2 | 6 hours ago

Missing Franz would have killed them in the next round, they could have and should have found a way to win game 6.

stitch4609

2 | 6 hours ago

Magic go up 3-1 and are one awful quarter from being up 4-0. Franz gets injured. Team looks like a dead 8 seed again and Cade looks like a real all nba basketball player again. Is what it is this is my stupid team who cares.

nerfumPK

1 | 4 hours ago

remind me again what Cade averaged in games 1-4

p-275 | Magic

0 | 3 hours ago

A 25% win percentage

nerfumPK

2 | 3 hours ago

is basketball a team sport?

p-275 | Magic

1 | 3 hours ago

Sure is, teams usually have better odds when key players are healthy. Franz doesn’t mean orlando wins hands down, it’s just oddly delusional and emotional to assume he wasn’t a factor.

nerfumPK

1 | 3 hours ago

i agree. now that that is out of the way, tell me where i said he was not a factor. tell me where i even IMPLIED he was not a factor. in fact, tell me where i mentioned Franz Wagner at all please.

p-275 | Magic

1 | 3 hours ago

Listen you won the reddit argument, I’m already in* cancun bud

CeeDoggyy

2 | 5 hours ago

Cade still averaged 30-6-8 in games 1-4, yes his efficiency was kinda pool and Franz may have defended him well but Cade was still everywhere trying to do everything he could and was overall a +10 despite being down 3-1

LTRP27

1 | 6 hours ago

That’s not bad could have gone 0/23

Rich2364

1 | 6 hours ago

Suggs is a great defender, but Cade is just too big and imposing for him. They needed Franz’s defense. Suggs is more of an off-ball defender anyway.

em_washington | Pistons

1 | 6 hours ago

Magic couldn’t stay healthy during the season. Didn’t expect them to stay healthy for a 7 game series.

Aeronova20 | Magic

1 | 5 hours ago

I’ll die on the hill that we win in ⁵⁄₆ if Franz doesn’t go down. But it is what it is.

Accomplished_Law7299

1 | an hour ago

You also when game 6 if your team doesn’t miss 23 straight fg.

KoRReaction | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

Why we acting like Cade didn’t average 30 with Franz playing?

Methamine | Knicks

2 | 5 hours ago

Turnovers and efficiency tho

He was way more efficient with no Franz

OshemUllah | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

Bro he’s always injured.

KL2ConspireLLC | San Diego Clippers

0 | 6 hours ago

Like the reverse of Tmac vs Tayshaun Prince in the 2003 Magic-Pistons series.

pericles123 | Cavaliers

-4 | 6 hours ago

I feel like Franz had very little to do with these #’s tbh

tylerconley | Magic

5 | 5 hours ago

Did you watch the games? Cade made almost every middy against everyone but Franz his long arms and lateral speed absolutely made Cade shoot worse

Methamine | Knicks

1 | 5 hours ago

Game 4 when the pistons turned it over on like 7 straight possessions in the first quarter? Franz had like 4 steals on Cade in the quarter

Cade Cunningham when guarded by Franz Wagner: 16 points on 6⁄24 shooting with 6 turnovers. Cade in games 5-7: 109 points on 33⁄64 shooting

Cade Cunningham when guarded by Franz Wagner: 16 points on ⁶⁄₂₄ shooting with 6 turnovers. Cade in games 5-7: 109 points on ³³⁄₆₄ shooting