Paul Pierce on media inconsistencies: “Let’s not sugarcoat this because if this was LeBron at the peak of his powers, he would’ve been getting scolded. If you’re the best player in the league, you’re not supposed to lose in the first round”
Paul Pierce is right about Jokic
Lebrons been in the league so long he outlasted the Paul Pierce hater era šš
At some point you realize that gassing up your rival actually helps your legacy.
Absolutely. The greater LeBron is the better it looks that Pierce, KG, and Allen were able to beat him so many times. It actually helps to boost him up.
Basically draymond for the last like 8 years. Always big upping LeBron so he can look better
Eh, the cavs were only lebron during his years til he came back from miami. Boston had a super team.
Boston also had Glenn Rivers so it cancels out
I always forget that’s his name lol
Dude is so washed he doesnāt even get his nickname anymore
He never wrote no thesis.
But he blew 3-1 leads with 3 different teams. That has to mean something.
Nah I think itās just PP and LeBron were proper conference rivals. The Celtics were the big dogs when Bron joined Miami and PP, KG, etc did not want to give that spot up easy.
hence why most of jordanās contemporaries gas him up so much, āyeah i never won a championship but i had to compete with black jesus! no other player will ever surpass his greatnessā
It’s the circle of life
honestly crazy. they were proper rivals at the start of lebrons career
Tom Brady also outlasted the haters after the falcons superbowl
Na
And he didnāt just lose in the 1st round. He lost to a 6 seed without their best player, thatās so much worse.
And no Donte, Dosunmu, or Anderson!
The Twolves were down two starters (including their best player) and two significant rotation players.
We were missing two of our starting five with their replacements either being super young, super old (sorry, Conley… I keep wearing your jersey shirt, but we were in high school at the same time… we’re old now), or hurt.
Yeah… Everybody is “hurt” this time of year, but we had seven guys actually healthy last night for a round one close out game.
And then this joker had a bad attitude all series. He is starting to remind me of Novak Djokavic; tons of talent but becoming unlikable.
Rare time that Paul Pierce is the Truth
It’s really not that rare anymore. Check out the podcast.
His reputation is down because of his ESPN days, but he’s since admitted that they push their on TV personalities to be hot-take artists, and intentionally state inflammatory opinions.
Now that he has the freedom to say what he wants he’s been way better.Ā
He’s still full of terrible takes.
He said Jaylen Brown is the best two-way player in the league and should be 2nd in MVP to SGA.
He said LeBron should consider retiring because Luka and Reaves got hurt.
He said he’s the best pure scorer in NBA history.
I agree, this series was a terrible look for Jokic no matter how you slice it.
Donāt say that, Nuggets fans are already hard at work creating new formulas and advanced stats that show Jokic actually just had the greatest series of all time
Nah well Iām not, he played like shit, got locked up, and doesnāt play defense fr. Him and Murray shit the bed
He had a good couple games of the series. But the turnovers and the effort were really bad to start the series. He was also missing his two best defenders.
Missing his two best defenders doesnāt really hold any weight considering wolves were missing their 2 best ball handlers and 3 best ball handlers for the final game
If anything this was a perfect series for joker to put the ābad defenderā talk to bed. He had to worry about Rudy on D, who isnāt a scoring threatā¦ and the opponent was relying on a 38 year old Mike Conley to bring the ball up
bro he shot 19% from 3 in the series
The people on both extremes of this argument are complete morons. Jokic is a hall of famer but not #1 greatest ever… There, it’s done.
Now I can’t wait to continue scrolling this thread to find some morons bringing race into this (as always inevitably happens) lol
To be fair thereās definitely a Certain Type Of Fan that decided around summer 2020 that the NBA was a ābad productā and had āgone to shitā because āeveryone just chucks 3s and flops and plays no defenseā and āthe league is way too wokeā who curiously showed back up around 2023 as rabid Joker fans lol. Itās a fair question!
But yes, āHoF lock, not greatest everā is a fair summary of Jokerās career. Heās great, just a smidge overhyped
I think a lot of people on the internet mistake Jokic stans as nuggets fans because they rock nuggets flairs, but I just want my team to be good I donāt care about his individual accolades or making excuses for the guy, he wasnāt a good leader this series nor a standout contributor
No they aren’t lmao
Especially with Anthony Edwards injured
The Wolves played 10 players in game 1.
By game 6, 4 of them were injured. Those 4 played nearly half the total available minutes in game 1.
Shoot yesterday they only had 8 play (because of injury) and still beat Jokic and the Nuggets.
Oh, apparently I am behind the curve. Who is the fourth? AE, Donte, and Ayo
Kyle Anderson. Backup 4.
Obviously not as important as the guards but Finch likes playing him.
He’s got the perfect vet presence of outsized passing ability, defense, and general bbiq for his size. Like, his ceiling isn’t crazy but his floor is very high if that makes sense. Slowmo rarely goes out there and makes a bunch of boneheaded mistakes
Kyle has always been underrated tho
Plus the Wolves are the sixth seed, and the Nuggets chose them as the matchup.
People been saying his defense isnāt that bad. It is. Heās a liability for sure.
Real bad look. Defense matters especially in the playoffs
I agree with this, but generally speaking the media should not look to how it treated LeBron as a standard lol
Can you imagine the hate Bron wouldāve gotten if he lost to the Pacers without PG, let alone if that happened in the first round
If it was PG alone that is fine. But wolves won without Ayo and slomo and a hobbled Naz Reid.
Divincenzo too
Oh shit. That too. Basically half of our 9 man rotation
Bones was also questionable and only played eight minutes. It was basically seven.
If you guys had your whole crew we would have lost by more than the hawks last night
Idk about that, I feel like them being out gave the back end of the roster motivation and they had fresh legs. Us being at home too was a perfect storm to result in that conclusion
So Pacers without PG, George Hill, Lance Stephenson, and an injured Danny Granger. Insane
4 players out. 2 starters, and then basically those starters’ direct replacement (somewhat fuzzy with so much chaos but essentially Ant -> Ayo -> TSJ and Donte -> Kyle Anderson -> Conley).
So arguably 40% of the Wolves game 6 starters were basically “3rd string.” TSJ had never started a playoff game. And beyond that the starters are usually the end of the bench guys that rest all the other people and they all had to play a full game load and then some because we had nobody left.
Imagine loosing to the pacers with no Danny granger or Paul Georgeā¦ boy lol
Wolves won with half their rotation injured. We were starting Mike Conley and TJ, it’s such a horrible look.
They destroyed him for shitting the bed in the Finals against an actually good Dirk Mavs. They would have an aneurysm from giddiness if this scenario happened to Bron
Yes lebron is held to a higher standard than any player in nba history š
Steph can miss the playoffs, Jokic can lose round 1 to hobbled wolves, KD can never win without Steph but ppl will still glaze them crazy
Thereās dudes saying if 41 year old Lebron loses his legacy will be ruined
His legacy is cemented, but blowing a 3-0 lead would be insane.
Houston completing an 0-3 comeback as soon as KD is out would be more insane imo.
In my opinion they have higher probability with KD out with fast tempo
and fewer turnovers, especially the live ball one’s KD is famous for
Both their legacies would take a hit for that shit lmao
It’s not that insane if you consider the fact that they really should have lost game 3.
People are weird about blown leads in general. If the Lakers were up 2-1, then Houston went on to win in 6, it probably wouldn’t be seen as that big of a thing. And it would make sense that a younger squad would have an advantage later in a series against a team led by a 41 yo LeBron. But because the Rockets imploded in gm 3, it’s somehow seen as worse for the Lakers? Why does the team that choked the first half of the series not get the same scrutiny? I mean, I get it. But I also don’t think it’s very rational.
it would be insane on his teammates part. he got them up 3-0, if they can’t finish the job thats on his team. not bron
You’re doing exactly what people are laughing about in this thread. No credit to anyone other than LeBron for the three wins, huh? Nothing for Smart, Kennard, Rui, etc.? It was all LeBron? And the losses were entirely on everyone else, but somehow not LeBron?
LeBron was 2⁄9 with 4 rebounds in game 5, and 9⁄20 with 3 rebounds in game 6, but yeah, it was all his teammates’ fault!
did you watch the last 2 games? he definitly contributed to the losses. for 41 it was still great but he definitly looked gassed and old out there. he had a lot of chances to save game 5 and he blew them all.
he used up all his energy in the first 3 games where he played like prime bron
That doesnt even make sense. Bro is 41. As far as im concearned, he is taking up a part time just as an already retired person
where are you going that people glaze KD
Probably the Bill Simmons podcast.
Bill is right about KD though
Instagram is a shit show and I see it a fair bit in there
I am on the Internet
Steph is a bad example this season because he was injured for the second half and the other star tore his Acl
Thereās been multiple seasons where a healthy Steph has been unable to carry his team to the playoffs and the world is silent.
Which seasons exactly?
Only one was 20-21 where Steph averaged 32 ppg over the season, but the FO said developing rookie Wiseman was top priority so he was getting 22 minutes and -30 every game. As soon as Steph dropped those ankle weights they won the next chip.
Also I feel like comparing Steph and LeBron here is kinda bullshit since LeBron would never stay on a rebuilding team like the 2020 Warriors.
Thats like one season in the past decade lol
Literally only one since he became a star and thatās 2020-21
No idea what heās talking about
The James Wiseman experiment at the start of the season, playing a rookie center with Steph who couldn’t protect the rim, rebound,Ā or set screens. Went 27-33.
Team immediately improved when Wiseman ended up getting ruled out for the season going, 22-12, but they were in too big a hole.
Yeah and in the playin iirc you guys came pretty close to beating us and LA as well
Iām not sure what losing to the Jazz/Suns in 5 or 6 wouldāve done for Stephās legacy, but I donāt think it wouldāve changed much
If you actually put that season into context, Warriors did well after Poole developed and they benched Wiseman for Looney. They had a clear winning record and narrowly missed the playoffs.
Reality is that it’s a TEAM game no matter how great your star is. Lakers were ass in LeBron’s first season there. Bucks have been ass recently. “Top 3 player” Luka went out in the first round last season.
They do not play these games 1v1.
Not to mention LeBron also had a fully healthy season where he missed the playoffs in 2019 thatās why they traded for AD
For those reading this, that is not true at all lol
He was not fully healthy, he was out with a groin injury for a part of it.
Even their record with LeBron when he was playing was barely above .500, 28-27.
The Lakers were 20-14 when LeBron suffered an injury causing him to miss a month. They were 26-25 when he returned. From then on, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball combined to play 12 games. You had Mo Wagner, Mike Muscala, Reggie Bullock, Jemmerio Jones types drawing starts.
Lakers missed the playoffs by 11 games. LeBron missed 27. BI missed 30. Lonzo missed 35. Rondo missed 36. The only 2 Lakers to miss fewer than 27 games were Javale McGee and Kyle Kuzma.
I don’t think this one was on LeBron.
Do you think LeBron has made the playoffs every season or something? Sometimes when players have bad teams and they get a bit banged up they miss the playoffs.
man stick to hockey. You obviously dont know shit.
I think you’re getting the Warriors confused with the Raptors.
When the only meaningful debate to be had about you is the GOAT convo, nits shall be picked. Yes, LeBron has been under a microscope, but the worst conclusion they could ever reach is still that hes one of the greatest to ever do it.Ā
Itās mostly people who think nobody should ever be close to Jordan that try to dismiss lebronās greatness
If Jordan never existed, or was not previously the undisputed GOAT, that microscope LeBron is under wouldnāt be a thing
He also called himself the goat, so it would still be there
You underestimate some people. I know multiple nba fans who donāt have LeBron in the top 5.
He’s held to the highest standard because his all time placement is amongst the highest
That’s what all this is for right? Fodder/talking points for the endless all time rankings
Joker has 3 MVPs and people wanted to give him 4.
Yes, LeBron James is held to a higher standard than Steph or KD. Why is that surprising?
Heās considered by a lot of people to be the GOAT. If heās not #1, heās the clear #2.
Of course heās going to be held to a higher standard than Steph and KD who are closer to 10th and 25th all-timers, respectively. Being in the GOAT conversation is always going to come with more scrutiny. As it should.
You’re acting like bron doesn’t get glazed like crazy under any circumstances. Also, KD gets a lot of hate wtf you talking about
A small glimpse of Paul Pierce coming around on Lebron, never though iād see it (no hate, one of my favorite players growing up. Rock Chalk)
Paul realized every next LeBron is always better than LeBron until itās time to actually be better than LeBronĀ
if you fucked up bad enough that Truth is celebrating LeBron, you fucked up bad
His nickname isn’t “The Half-Truth”
By building up LeBron, he indirectly builds himself up too
Yeah, the two times he bested LeBron in the playoffs are talked up way more than the two times LeBron bested him (well, three actually* but no one was taking Brooklyn seriously against Miami in 2014). LeBron had to get past a Paul Pierce type to transcend from generationally great (like Paul Pierce) to all-time great. Him and Dirk have the same place in LeBron’s story that The Bad Boy Pistons have in Jordan’s.
*Four actually. I forgot the year one Heatles gentlemen’s sweep over the Celtics in the conference semi-finals, which might be his most impressive victory against Pierce, considering the previous year. It’s forgotten cause of the Heat didn’t win the championship that year.
** Actually FML. I can’t do math and it was just three times LeBron beat Pierce in the playoffs lol.
There are all time greats (Tim Duncan) then there are people like LeBron who are in the GOAT conversation.
I mean Pierce has never pretended LeBron wasn’t great. He just feels he could beat him on any day or night.
And that Wase’s career was heavily carried by LeBron’s arrival. Bummy without Shaq or Bron
With embiid back to ballin out and the stokes commit itās been a good week for us KU fans.
I think he realized he’s not doing his own legacy any favors by downplaying LeBron’s. The better LeBron was, the more impressive it was that Pierce knocked him out of the playoffs a couple times.
I feel like even Booker got more slander for losing against the defending champs with key pieces injured.Ā
Joker is getting slandered way harder. Rightfully so but literally everything about him is negative right now lol
Yeah but not to the point LeBron would be getting slandered
Right because Jokic isnt anywhere near as popular of a player as LeBron. I think this is something that people are overlooking. LeBron gets way more attention in general when it comes to literally everything he does.
Yeah but that makes sense as he is not as good or as popular worldwide as LeBron
Sure but LeBron is one of 2 guys in the GOAT conversation and has been scrutinized by media since high school. Completely different situation
Great we have people competing in the slander Olympics in this sub
Right? Like who is sugar coating this?
The only person thatās even tried was Bill on his podcast but literally everyone knows he loves Jokic in an absurd way.
Where is this slander?
This sub is drowning in posts criticizing Jokic.
You thinking this is ‘drowning in posts’ is hilarious lol
Embiid routinely got more shit than this for losing in the second round while playing through injury
My favorite part about the very occasional Jokic slander is watching Nuggets fans having no clue how to deal with not being the darling of the internet for one second.
This is just an overreaction due to Jokic dickriders gassing him up to high heaven.
And it’s still only a fraction of the shit you’ll see for any other player lol
:( poor guy
Basically every post in this sub at least, including this one
That 3 point percentage is disgusting, the best of the best figure out how to carry things in need. Jokic just can’t do that, it better impact a legacy if he can’t figure it out.
Just like KD.
KD never won as a bus driver, let’s not get too carried away
KD shouldāve stayed with OKC man. He definitely could have won as a bus driver but we canāt argue on hypotheticals only reality unfortunately
NBA discourse is so weird. Phoenix gets more slander for making the playoffs and getting swept than if they had just lost the play in against GS
It’s mostly just dummies on reddit, like most people in real life aren’t saying Jokic is literally the best player to ever play basketball because “TS%!!!”
Then immediately after ignoring Rudy Gobert locking him up and when he loses the series they just don’t say anything.
Like the problem is the vast majority of people on reddit don’t watch the actual games, don’t understand what the stats actually mean, and then they just fire off dumb reactionary takes based on nonsense because they don’t actually watch the games.
Everyone on reddit saying Jokic is the best player ever and Rudy Gobert sucks, then Gobert locks up Jokic and they don’t say shit about how Jokic might not be quite at that level and don’t give Rudy his flowers either.
It’s the same thing over and over again with the vast majority of basketball topics, it’s just hyperbolic reactionary BS.
How come no one talked about HOW the nuggets lost and exactly what happened in those games?
It’s because the vast majority didn’t even watch the games, but they love to post about it.
What? Who’s slandering Booker? If they are, they’re morons not worth wasting time on
Lol wut nobody is talking shit about Booker for losing to the Thunder
Huh??? It feels like everyone expected them to get swept
LeBron got clowned for losing in the finals and people are trying to make excuses for another first round exit for Jokic
Not just a first round exit, but a first round exit against a lottery team. No disrespect to Minny they played a hell of a series and showed a ton of heart. But a wolves team without Ant, divincenzo, Dosunmu and Slow Mo (plus Naz reid is clearly hurt too) is indeed a lottery team. Basically half their regular rotation and best player were out and somehow Denver still lost.
Minny just exposed Denver and specifically Jokic on defense and were scoring at will in the paint. They had players who are 10th in the rotation looking like all stars just cruising for layups with 0 rim protection.
Jokic needs the Aldi Crooks treatment
Ya but we had Jaden McDaniels
(Actually tho. Jokic was so frustrated he crashed out against Jaylen Clark. JC is fresh off a 2way contract. Our G Leaguers were frustrating him)
I mean isnāt Joker getting dragged like crazy???
Only on Reddit, the sports news channels arenāt really dragging him. The leading story on ESPN are about the Knicks, Yankees, Cavs. Most Iāve seen about Jokic is his quote. As Paul said, if this was LeBron itād be a lead story and constant debates on if he is to blame, is he close to MJ etc
The big name news channels never really cared about him to begin with.
He doesn’t draw clicks so outside of highlights and award wins, what’s he going to create discussion around.
As he should and this is coming from a huge Jokic fan.
On socials yes, by media talking heads not really
Itās quite tame to be honest
Not really there are a lot of people pushing blame else where
Yeah Iāve heard more Murray, Braun, Brown slander than anyone blaming Jokic and his single digit 4th quarters
Is he?
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I don’t watch the daily ESPN shows, so no idea what they say.
Not really
Jokic has been given every benefit of the doubt until this series. He was being targeted by 3rd string players who dominated him. He was pretty exposed by the Wolves.
Yeah but there’s also a lot of pushback against jokic rn because of how the media excuses his failures every single year and doesn’t hold him to the standards of “best in the world” while calling him “best in the world”. Lesser stars in the league are criticized much more harshly for their shortcomings, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.
Like I’ve seen Sengun get held to a higher standard lmao.
Are you implying it’s undeserved? Many of the most respected analysts and talking heads were saying he’s better than Magic and Bird
True, Jokic gets insane amount of glaze when he wins, from being the best itw, debating if he’s the best offensive player aot & even praising his non-existent defense
But when he loses you barely see anything & if you do its just for a couple of days, they just blame his teammates & GM
He played like ass, but letās not act like his teammates and GM were not also ass.
WHOLE LOTTA šššš
Feel like this year is a bit different because Jokic really did look bad. Previous years you can sometimes say Jokic did everything he could and his teammates failed miserably but this year I feel like he individually looked very very bad and was a big part of why they lost.
This is just revisionist history, everyone thought that the Nuggets had the best team theyāve ever had and were the championship favorites in the league when healthy. People were calling the Nuggets GM a genius for revitalizing this team in the offseason. tons of post about how Jokic was dangerous now that he had some help etc. his teammates didnāt even underperform, they played to their contract, you could maybe argue Murray but everyone else was near their regular season averages you canāt just expect role players to pick up the slack for a choking superstar. End of the day the majority of the blame will and should be on Jokic, he couldnāt rise to the occasion, got outplayed by Gobert, and was attacked the most out of literally anybody in NBA history in the paint
People have been saying he was starting to enter the goat debate for like the last two years. It was really premature. Itās still not impossible, but theyāve got to let this stuff play out.
People scoffed if you even hinted that he isnāt the best player in the world.
Wait, you’re an active participant of this sub and you’re saying Jokic doesn’t get criticism for losing? What?
Instead of acknowledging LeBronās mistreatment in the media as an excuse to bully other players, we should be using it in the opposite. We should be able to acknowledge how out of pocket LeBron hate was and not try to apply that to other players.
Why is it the reason Denver lost is because Jokic was bad, or he sucks, or heās overrated. Could it simply be possible that Minnesota played better basketball? Could it be possible that legends are allowed to lose without it hurting their legacy?
I was just about to post this. People love saying āwe slander x player all the time, this player should also be getting the same level of toxicity tooā instead of reflecting and thinking that maybe the problem is how toxic we are about players to begin with.
The majority of NBA fans seem to hate basketball and its players. Sports fandoms in general seem to enjoy being miserable.
Because basketball is the one sport where singular players have the most impact.
The entire reason teams tank is to get generational players who can have that impact.
2007 LeBron James dragging 14 G-League players to the Finals has no equivalent in any other sport
Why is it the reason Denver lost is because Jokic was bad, or he sucks, or heās overrated. Could it simply be possible that Minnesota played better basketball
These arenāt that separated though. If two reasonably even teams play and one dominates the other, that means a team played particularly poorly
Putting it on one player though.. idk that feels kind of archaic too, because it used to make more sense than in todayās gameplay style. Itās hard to fault a player when teams generally more effectively build against star player strengths than ever before
Nah fuck dat he was ass this series, he needs some pushback.
I would love to agree with you
Unfortunately, the hundred Jokic Stan’s shoving their cock down my throat 24⁄7 and then losing their minds when I give even the slightest pushback makes it very difficult to not throw as much slander back as I can lol.
Also, “hey guys maybe we shouldn’t be mean to the superstar who played poorly” only really ever gets said when that superstar is Jokic
No, the expectation is that Jokic, who is a top 15 or 20 player all time and still in his prime, should be beating the hobbled Timberwolves but here we are again with another 1st or 2nd round exit for him.
Because every player that goes through the nuggets has their positive output credited to Jokic, so if he’s the reason that everyone can tie their shoes, he’s the reason they weren’t as good as can be.
If you’re the best player in the league, you don’t get to lose in the first round against a lower seed with 3 or 4 players out. One of them being a superstar.
You can’t have it both ways, it will and should hurt his legacy.
The reality is Joker’s not getting the belt to ass outside Reddit.
And it really downplays just how great the Wolves came together as well. It was a close game and I was expecting the Nuggets to overtake Minny in the fourth Q. But, the Wolves hung tough and gritted out a series closing win.
That’s why it’s so silly to use that effort to downplay Jokic. The Wolves were the reason Jokic performed so poorly.
I feel like so much of NBA discourse when talking about individual players is like this. I see so much of “X player did terrible he sucks” and never “X team had an effective plan to play against them”. It makes the conversations so toxic
I have never agreed with PP before, this feels dirty.
Same. Feel like I gotta wash my hands now.
Everyone talking about Jokic like Jamal Murray going 4-17 didn’t matter at all
For years we were told Jokic was doing all of this winning āwithout another All-Star!ā despite Jamal Murray consistently playing like one every time that the Nuggets had success in the playoffs. They werenāt giving Murray credit before so I donāt want to hear the excuses now.
This is the one
Jamal Murray used to go crazy in the playoffs
Best player always gets the blame and praise.
White media aināt gonna do that to their basketball Jesus, itās just bias.
Agree with Pierce on something woahĀ
P finally watching the games
If Kobe, LeBron, Tatum, KG, KD, and any other top 10 player had this same squad skill/health-wise and didn’t win more than a single chip and got bounced in the first round by a handicapped 6th seed, you know their entire legacies would be called into question lol.
Jokic gets a lot of glaze, and he deserves it usually. But you can’t get the glaze for winning and not expect the hate when you lose.
guys in the media will be like “The media should be talking about how bad this is! But nobody is!”
I hated KG and Pierce when they played but I find myself broadly agreeing with most of the stuff they say on their podcast. I almost like them now
Imagine how Maryland fans feel about liking JJ Reddick now.
Yuck.
If jokic fans endured 1% of the slander SGA got, theyād combust. Even now the narrative has somehow shifted to blaming Murray, Braun, the coach, etc. anything but admit Jokic just had one of the worst series of any multi time MVP in their prime EVER.
The best player in the league didn’t lose in the first round
It’s not just losing in the first round, it’s his effort down the stretch. Same thing happened when they lost to Minnesota in the semis. People gave the excuse that he was gassed.
The media has an agenda
Lose in the he first round and they didn’t even have ANT
Difference is Jokicās success is a complete surprise, heās a former second round pick nobody had heard of before the NBA. LeBron was expected to be one of the best players ever before he was even drafted.
everyone is clearly scolding jokic lol
The media is literally these people now. Social media is the media, but people still push this āmainstram mediaā boogeyman
Says the chump whose only title came playing with KG, Ray Allen, and Rondo.
Pair Jokic with 3 other starters of that caliber and he’s got at least 3 titles.