Noodle_people | Nuggets

288 | 5 hours ago

Sengun: nah…

Ayton: Nah…

Literally everyone else: Nah…

Refs: FLAGRANT 2

SD-2023 | Cavaliers

34 | an hour ago

When a guy is banging you…

ninetydeuce | Knicks

121 | 5 hours ago

He said exactly what I thought too. You can clearly see he was making a play at the ball and his forearm slipped off Sengun’s shoulders. I thought at best it was gonna be a Flagrant 1. I’m surprised the review center saw it differently. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they rescind that flagrant foul after reviewing it again later on today.

Diamond4Hands4Ever | Warriors

64 | 5 hours ago

That was definitely not a flagrant two. It should have been a flagrant one since it was still a hard and unnecessary contact to the head and neck area. However, it wasn’t a flagrant two because there wasn’t some excessive windup and intent (in addition to the unnecessary part of the flagrant one) to deserve a flagrant two.

Fartholomew_Buttons | Pistons

1 | 27 minutes ago

I’m not no rules expert but doesn’t it need ²⁄₃ pieces to be a flagrant 2? Wind-up, contact, and/or follow through? I’m only seeing contact on it.

-wearetheworld-

60 | 5 hours ago

that call might be one of the most horrendous call in recent history

berrytree198

15 | 2 hours ago

Only since the last game this guy reffed

-wearetheworld-

2 | 38 minutes ago

crazy dude , what can i say

The_Real_Will | Spurs

1 | 22 minutes ago

I’m not even sure you need to go back to his previous game lol. I’m pretty sure the double ejection he pulled out following this Ayton ejection was somehow even more baffling. Legacy game from the ref

FreddyKruegersGlove | Lakers

59 | 4 hours ago

They literally watch the replay in slow motion at the monitor. How in the blue hell did they see his arm hit Sengun’s sweaty ass shoulder, slip off upwards, hit sengun and decided that that was excessive contact

crunchsmash

25 | 3 hours ago

There’s a problem with slow motion video where it makes an action look more intentional. It makes it look like a player had time to think and plan about hurting an opponent.

EmmitSan

7 | an hour ago

KAT is the worst victim of this. He’s clumsy and reckless, but in slo mo he looks like things are on purpose, even though he’d need like Spider-Man levels of speed and agility to be doing the thing on purpose

Jimimaru88

45 | 5 hours ago

Thats literally what I saw, Ayton’s elbow slid off Sengun’s back

coolycooly | Nets

40 | 4 hours ago

Thats like a textbook F1, it was an accident but kinda dangerous. F2 is for like full punches and extremely dirty things.

BrianC_

-26 | 4 hours ago

Nah, flagrant 2 can be for all really dangerous stuff, accidental or not. It’s all unnecessary and excessive contact.

coolycooly | Nets

1 | 3 hours ago

F2 is like if you need a guy out of the game because the other team is going to fight him because he is a POS after what he did accidental or not like if he undercut a guy on a dunk. This was a pretty clear accident.

BrianC_

7 | 3 hours ago

This was at most a F1. I’m just saying that F2s are not just punches and dirty stuff. For example, if someone is going up for a lay-up/dunk, the defender jumps to contest, swings hard at the ball, misses, hits the shooter square in the head, has his momentum carry through completely throwing the shooter’s balance off, and it’s a dangerous fall, that’s going to be a flagrant 2.

Fidel_Cashflows | Spurs

1 | 3 minutes ago

Hell no, F2s are basically supposed to be for actions that would get you arrested irl. Intent and wind-up into unnecessary contact.

pagny77 | Timberwolves

23 | 5 hours ago

Hes like the NBA equivalent of Lenny from of mice and men. Fully believe he didnt intend to elbow but hes so big and careless it just happens

Stebsy1234 | Lakers

17 | 4 hours ago

The refs were wild tonight just making egregiously bad calls, I’m sure it’s just another drop in the ocean though and nothing will change.

OpinionDude5000

10 | 4 hours ago

Its obvious he slipped. No one thinks Ayton is a dirty player.

Phenomenal2313 | Raptors

9 | 4 hours ago

I mean that’s literally what happened , just so happened that his elbow hit Sengun’s head

Even Sengun thinks it was a nothingburger

restless_vagabond | NBA

5 | 3 hours ago

Clear F1 since it was contact to the head, but if every single person involved, including both coaches, thought an F2 was egregious, you have your answer.

Ayton was the best Laker out there tonight. When he got tossed, it was over.

Seany140000 | Lakers

4 | 5 hours ago

Does the league rescind flagrant 2’s sometimes?

Diamond4Hands4Ever | Warriors

11 | 5 hours ago

Yes they can rescind a flagrant two later but in this case, I still think it’s a flagrant one. Intent doesn’t actually matter as much as people think since that’s clearly still unnecessary contact to the head and neck area, even if the original play was on the ball (happens all the time when players contest for a block and then pull a player out of the air). So I think a flagrant one should still hold up here even if it’s not a flagrant two.

It’s important because flagrant twos are counted as two points to the total and flagrant ones are counted as one point so it gets closer to the suspension. I’ll be curious to see what they do here since the original call was a flagrant two and sometimes they don’t want to you know embarrass the original call.

Seany140000 | Lakers

1 | 5 hours ago

that makes sense, thanks for the* reply 👍

esports_consultant

4 | 2 hours ago

lmfao he was having a game too

bwrca

2 | 3 hours ago

I agree. While he can lock in sometimes, Ayton is not competitive enough to sneak in a hit on an opponent.

Ravenblitz

2 | an hour ago

my first EjectAyton

Ayton: “I was just trying to brace the contact with Sengun and, you know, we both sweaty guys. I just slipped off his shoulder and my elbow hit him right there above his shoulders. It look crazy on camera, but I’m not no guy who who’s a dirty player or plays like that… my first ejection.”