Spurs 57 million dollar man De’Aaron Fox through 2 playoff games: 17ppg, 3.5rpg, 6.0apg on 49.9% TS
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Fox is in year 1 of a 4 year, $229m contract. He averaged 18.6⁄3.8⁄6.2 on 57.8% TS in the regular season. Does his production justify his salary?
He getting traded if he doesn’t pick it up ngl. Especially with Harper looking so good dude is auditioning for his job
Sad to see. He’s so talented, but so inconsistent. I used to pull my hair out seeing him chuck three ball after three ball when he could genuinely have just jogged to the basket and scored. A good Fox drive feels like the warmth after your first drink. Clanked 3s feel like your card declining
Poetic
I feel like the hot shooting streak he went on to star the 23-24 season caused him to alter his game away from driving significantly and now he really has none of his speedy dive bombs to the basket he was famous for.
Also getting mentored by Steph is probably a red flag because almost no player should have Steph’s shot profile.
You got it. After he paired with Steph to train and stuff, he changed his game. He avoids contact. Settle for awful jumpers. Too many 3 pointers. Man he stinks
I see it as karma for him forcing his way to the Spurs in the first place
So not talented
What do a few firsts even mean for the Spurs rn? Even if Wemby gets hurt they’re not Pacer level to tank
Traded for what? He’s gonna be a negative asset on that contract with the apron rules
Exactly lol, spurs fans are crazy. They’re gonna have to give up picks to get off that contract
Hey we need a PG and need picks
monte had a vision, people
Vivek is not paying any luxury tax ever
He can’t afford it tbh not even worth a lousy billion.
Jersey edits gonna go crazy
they sort of have the ability to do that though
you’d imagine a pick and Fox could net a slightly better contract in a position they need more. they have 2 top three pick PG’s
Nah they got Seattle or Vegas to help them take him off their books
I didn’t even think about that. He’d be a positive asset in an expansion draft. Since you’re starting a rock bottom anyway
Vegas can have their Desert Fox
Everyone and their mom could see where this was headed even before they gave him that contract.
spurs fans are crazy.
i’ve been visiting teams subs recently it really feels like 80% of the users in each sub are just toxic positivity fans that have massive copium and call anything moderately negative “dooming”
Kings sub is the opposite. 80% negativity and any positivity is seen as wanting to keep the team in NBA hell by not straight tanking.
Wolves sub is almost all doomers who hate Finch. New ass fans that don’t remember looking at the draft in fucking December every year
They have picks to give up and getting that contract off their books would be better than keeping some picks
Kings can offer a fresh Lavine and Derozen. Would be fun to see the speed of Fox with a pick and roll big like Sabonis.
If he doesn’t live up to his contract he’s getting released to the expansion draft.
Bold of you to assume that Seattle or Vegas actually takes on that contract lol.
They’re gonna have to get over that minimum cap and fox will prolly be the best player out of the bunch
Bold of you to think they’ll be that choosy. You remember the Bobcats initial roster?
Why, Sacramento could be in need of a point guard next year and has a salary-matching guard who could help San Antonio’s shooting. Surely, all parties involved would have no problem with that deal.
Lavine 2.0
One lightly used Poeltl and BI for him and throw in the hawks pick
I think there’s a player that makes 62.5 mil next year would be interested in a trade.
I mean might as well no?
Good luck. Albatross contracts aren’t ways to move. We were fortunate to basically dump AD and got a late first and like 5 seconds. But AD is also way better than Fox.
That would make me smile. Couldn’t happen to a better person
Yes please Harper and Castle back court, that would be so good
That shooting is rivaled by only Curry and Klay
Yeah I think outside of one or both of them doing AG shooting leaps, one of them will inevitably get traded
When you’re building around a center you need ways to keep help defenses honest
depends how quickly they want to contend for me.. that has potential to be the kind of trade you look back at with disgust
I doubt Harper’s shooting will be a long term issue
He also shot better from 3 than Fox did this year
Great stat you got there
Harper made way fewer threes and 90% of his are assisted, Fox takes way more threes off the dribble and harder ones
Harper is not a good shooter right now, he gets left open all the time too , him and Castle is not a good pairing right now
The truth i think is somewhere in the middle, Harper/Castle back court has shooting problems, but it’s not like Fox is a solution to the problem. Fox does take higher difficulty shots, but at 33% he’s not opening up the floor for others.
At no point did I say he’s a good shooter right now
He’s a rookie and shot 34%, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see him improve to a 36-38% shooter as early as next year
Lets not give up on harpers shooting yet. What even makes you think Castle can’t improve as well? Both so young
Harper is the future. No audition needed lol
Not sure what team will take his contract in today’s CBA unless you’re shipping him with a 2-3 1st rnd picks.
I knew Fox wasn’t in the long term plans when they took Harper lol. WHY take Harper when you have Fox lol
Yea if we were going to commit to Fox we should have taken someone like Kon (*by trading down and getting more assets) who would compliment both Wemby and Fox. Fox is just not going to provide value on the team unless he has the ball a lot.
I do think Harper will be better than Fox and has a shot to still be the 2nd best player in his draft class but 3 guards who can’t really shoot is putting the team in a hard place
Why give Fox a max extension after drafting Harper is the better question
You guys should try and get trade him for Steph. Steph and Wemby would be cinema
i would like this, but do Warriors fans even want this? not only bc he won’t be another Kobe Duncan or Dirk but also because he’d be going to a Western conference team
Warriors fans would rather drive off the Golden Gate bridge than see that trade happen lol.
Many Warriors fans are actually Steph fans though. Steph fans would rejoice.
Yeah the ones that started watching the warriors 10 years ago.
Diehard warriors would hate it. But they already ignore the whining about staying in Oakland back then. This won’t be any different.
And then once Steph is off the books, if the Spurs managed to win a title in that year or two, that salary slot would open up completely right after. I could see it. But I’d like for Steph to stay a Warrior until the end unless he genuinely wants to go.
Any chance they wait for the expansion draft and just let one of the two teams take him to release the contract? Or would he get them enough to be worth trading?
Who’s taking on that horrendous contract? How many first round picks is it going to take?
if he doesn’t pick it up nobody will trade for that contract lol. he might be headed to seattle
Bruh, the Spurs are going to have to give up so many assets to move him on that contract.
He’s getting a giant paycheck and is only likely going to get worse. Why would anyone want to pay a guy who is probably a 2nd or 3rd option and a clunky fit with most rosters nearly 60 million a year?
Y’all will say I’m a jaded hater but I’ve been hating on this chucker b4 the beam year. Mtfk is Trader Joe Jordan Clarkson when the ball is not in his hand 24⁄7.
Dude was a cancer on the team unless the entire playbook is tailored to his chucking playstyle. He fucked over my team TWICE by lobbying against drafting Luka, sandbagging his value by faking an injury when Tyrese was stealing his spotlight. Somehow he managed to trick two franchises into giving him the max I’m beyond sick.
A small group of people have been saying it on the Spurs sub, but it gets downvoted like crazy any time with massive copium
like if he is deferring to castle/harper he should be efficient, but his TS is below league average…
Preach
This is true I remember you hating on him way back on our sub lol
And not to mention, his team has a very active PR machine on Reddit that constantly defends him as part of that “fanbase”. Remember all the accounts on the Kings sub that constantly defended him no matter what and suddenly disappeared after he left? They are on the Spurs sub now. And they will defend him and divide the fanbase like they did with us too
Those were all of the Recee and Dearron burner accounts
Bro, I am fairly certain Recee herself was running some of those burners
You’re talking about Nino? Lmao
Interesting i’ve been on/off the spurs sub and i see a LOT of comments on how it doesn’t matter how much he makes, how he really wanted to come to SA and we should be so grateful to have him bc the Spurs are a poverty franchise…sounds like a potential PR Team play lol
Now he’s trying to prove that he’s the better guard over Castle and Harper.
Castle is already the better player when factoring in defense and it won’t be long before Harper is also a better all-around player
Wonder if the Spurs will have the balls to move $60m to the bench in a 6th man role? And if Fox would even pretend to try in that role. Guessing the answers would be no and no. Maybe they just leave him unprotected in the expansion draft and hope the Sonics or Las Vegas Sportsbooks take him off their hands
He’ll lead Milwaukee to the 9th seed next year and lose in the playin unless Rollins/Osume develop. He’s a solid trade piece, a player some teams will still take a flyer on in the right trade.
I don’t think he’s even remotely a solid trade piece.
His value is absolutely horrible. He’s pretty significantly declined from the beam year, is exiting his prime and is very reliant on athleticism, just signed a crazy big extension, and is a very tough roster fit with almost any roster.
Coming from Sacramento, people might have chalked up some of his issues to a bad surrounding roster/environment. But now he’s in an excellent situation and is…worse.
Like, who would want him:
It feels very similar to Bradley Beal: Phoenix talked themselves into him getting his groove back even though he’d been struggling at the backend of his Wizards tenure. But after a couple of years in Phoenix, no one was touching his contract and he had to just be bought out.
One of the most overrated players in the league. Can’t shoot for shit
Trader Joe Jordan is a great line
Rich Paul gets his guys paid, he’s on pace to make over 400m by the age of 32
Man thanks for saying exactly how I feel. I’ve been hating on Fox since the bubble: there I saw hes a very poor PG and a bricklayer. He sucks
i’m not quite that low on him. but i’d much rather out younger guys be getting more of his minutes, both because they have more potential and because their attitude seems so much better
I was criticizing Murray for being overpaid but now Murray definitely deserves the max contract and Fox nope
I fucking hated that extension the moment it was signed lol.
Spurs GM is close with Klutch, coach is Klutch and Fox is signed with Klutch
Everything’s a conspiracy with you people lol clearly the extension isn’t looking good right now but they had just traded for him they weren’t going to not give him an extension
no way CharlestonWhiteGOAT is a conspiracy theorist.
The whole Spurs GM Klutch thing they’re referencing is from one unverified story by an ex-Warriors reporter Ethan Strauss who also believes wokeness is killing the NBA so take that however you will
why do you think they traded for him in first place lol. the politics of agents in the background has much more influence than you think
They traded for him because their core was ass and Wemby was so good they couldn’t tank anymore so they made a move that clearly has worked well enough so far. Serviceable point guards don’t grow on trees in today’s league.
They traded for him because their core was ass and Wemby was so good they couldn’t tank anymore
agree with this, the core at the time was Wemby, Castle and DV basically. I guess technically Sochan given he was a top 10 pick. and DV/Sochan had role players trajectory. Castle was looking decent, but not a top 3 guy on a championship team (although this year he looks like he has a lot more potential)
clearly has worked well enough so far.
i kinda disagree on this - the team has done exceptionally well but i don’t think Fox should get a lot of credit here. I mean by far a ton of success came from Wemby. And in the games without Wemby that we won, we also had a lot of scoring come from DV, Keldon, Castle, Harper, etc. I think we had 7 straight games with 7 different high scorer.
We were already a 0.500 team last year before Wemby got hurt. Add in Wemby’s own development, Steph’s improvement, Harper being a really solid 6th man, filling the backup big slot with Kornet and letting DV/JC play primarily as shooters Fox’s impact is not that big
They do if they are overpaid to their value. How much did you give up for Trae again?
Because they wanted more star power and he made it clear he wants to go to the spurs for family reasons…?
So many Spurs fans were like “great deal they can just move him in x years” like he’s making over 30% of the cap and can’t shoot who is gonna trade for that lol
Yup. Horrible deal
Going to be the worst contract soon
I would take Poetl, George, or Embiid over him right now tbh. The idea of Fox is great and you see it in flashes but game to game it’s just not there and that contract is outrageous. They will manage fine but hopefully it doesn’t fuck with the team too much as I want to see Wemby do well.
You gonna be crazy, the agent and Spurs had already came to an agreement to max Fox once he get to the Spurs.
James Harden fits better with Wemby than Fox
James harden rn fits with every center in the NBA.
His extension actually kicks in next season.
DeAaron “Jakob Poetl” Fox
Unnecessary
You can take Fox away from the Kangz, but you can’t take the Kangz away from Fox.
lol
Once a Kang, always a Kang
Fox was never a winning player
I got downvoted and kept getting downvoted the day spurs signed him he is not and ever been worth that much especially with harper and with #2 pick on horizon that turned out to be harper. just insane, fox is also a cancer if you bench him ask SAC fans. he is just sucking up valuable clutch mins for harper and castle development
we traded for Fox in last years deadline, we didn’t expect to get the #2 pick
You didn’t extend him until the summer though
Yeah i wasn’t a fan of that move, but the only copium in the fanbase is that it won’t get in the way of paying Wemby/Castle/Harper when their rookie deals are finished
that said I would still try to trade Fox whenever I can if i’m the FO later on
He’s the new Zach Lavine of the nba I think. Bad contract on a player who doesn’t offer anything of value to winning teams. He’s not even that exciting to watch anymore with his lack of explosiveness now. Spurs if they want to get rid of him will need to attach some picks or wait for a long time like the Bulls had to with Lavine
They jumped up to the number 2 pick it’s not like they planned on it when they traded for fox
I thought they were already in lottery and knew?
no they traded for fox at the all star break. They gave him the contract afterwards but I’m sure they had a handshake agreement to do so
Yeah it’s a pretty shitty contract. What pisses me off is that they fucking paid him and pretty much told him to take a backseat to castle.
Why the fuck would you pay someone that much money and not utilize him correctly? I’m not saying he would be a perfect player but this dude is not playing like kings fox at all.
There’s more to it than you know
They pay him that money and tell him to play a role
Knowing he’s getting shipped next year
For Giannis in my estimation.
No way Bucks take that deal
ultimately it’s about the market that’s in place. i have no idea about the landscape of the NBA, but I think the important market considerations is:
Giannis will want to go to a good team and can threaten to leave after a year when his option is up (I think? not an expert)
the “good team” will need to have space for Giannis…that takes out a few people
the “good team” will need to have assets to give in return
i’m no expert on the giannis saga so just spitballing
That’s wbag I’m thinking
Why would the Bucks trade Gianni’s for Fox and his awful contract?
Ohh he’s playing exactly like Kings Fox. Since his sophomore season he’s that crappy bricklayer, with poor passing, tunnel vision, bad shot selection, bad touch and errant defense. Dude sucks.
This is what Kings fans were talking about. Fox disappears constantly!
It’s just 2 games man, the extension is nuts but this means nothing
Bad all year
Bro had piss dribbling down his leg that whole 4th quarter he didn’t even seem like he wanted the ball that much
People knows Fox from some BeamTeam games and now the Spurs.
People who had to endure him for years (we, Kings fans) know, he sucks. He’s playing exactly like he played for us. No* suprise. He sucks at PG duties, his shot selection is crap, he can’t shoot from distance and keep shooting, bad ball distribution, bad passing, tunnel vision and erratic defense. He sucks.
Idk why some of our fanbase defend this guy.
Every fanbase has a large group of idiots defending negative players. Raps fambase does it with ingram. They did it for derozan for 7 years when he was negative in every aspect if the game too. Most people dont watch games lol
Don’t lump in Derozan with those guys. He was flawed but he was good to Toronto.
keyword there is “fanbase”, actual fans want to see their guys do well and don’t buy into the reactionary hate train nonsense
also probably because most consensus takes on /r/NBASpurs since 2019 have ended up being completely wrong with the benefit of hindsight
what would you consider some consensus takes? it feels weird because a lot of people on the sub think it’s a consensus that the sub hates fox, but there’s like 10:1 ratio of posts supporting fox vs hating on fox (which is usually a somewhat rationale take that he’s overpaid and not a good fit for our long term plan)
At least he only took 3 threes today. I feel like he’s been jacking up way too many recently.
That’s his whole game
Recently? Thats his whole damn career since his sophomore season (but it got worse after he had some training sessions with Curry)
Dont tell Spurs fans on the subreddit.
They probably still think hes pacing himself.
Dudes handle is weak. His 3 point shooting is nonexistent. Defensively he fouls instead of playing disciplined. Can’t draw fouls and if he does, doesn’t knock them down at a high clip.
Terrible.
It’s eerie how these were the exact complaints when he was on the Kings. Of course we also made excuses because it always looks like he’s coasting but can turn on a switch when he wants to.
He avoids contact on drives, go for weird angles to avoid contact, and smokes A LOT of lay ups. His shot selection is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. And he doesn’t pass the ball like a NBA point guard.
So what is he good at then?lmao
Spurs fans on the subreddit still think Primo would have been the next franchise star if not for the flashing incidents. Meanwhile dude can’t even get a spot in a league that houses domestic abusers, etc.
Fox might be overpaid but the player you are describing is not even G-League level.
Only thing worse than his contract is his dumbass smile after he screws up
Ohh he keep doing it? I dont watch Spurs basketball, only very few games.
With us, he was ALWAYS smiling, playing with the opposing players, giving shitty interviews after his ass got smoked on the court. Dude has absolute no passion, and will carry that I DON’T CARE attitude.
Hall of Fame check casher
Scoot is Fox’s daddy
Our sub is blowing ourselves right now. It’s weird.
Who has a worse contract? Fox or Poeltl?
I think the fox contract is bad but Poetl is literally unplayable for a team that desperately needs anything from him
Fox is overpaid but Poeltl is not even an NBA player anymore now with the injuries
Poeltl. The Spurs at least play really well when Fox is on the floor
What I wouldn’t do to have peak Jak right now tho
Let’s not overreact too much, Poeltl’s back seems toast due to injury. Fox is just…Fox. Not worth max money, but still a decent high end starting caliber player.
Bruh I was having a decent night
Jak bro doesn’t even suit up most of the year
Oh god all the “trade Fox” Spurs “fans” are here to yell about a 2 game sample size
there is an 82 game sample size as well. below league average TS% while having defenses focus on Wemby and other solid offensive threats on the court. only 3 games above 30 points while scoring is his main value add. 33% from 3.
Didn’t know his scoring regressed that much. He used to get 30 points before the fourth quarter easily.
He just looks lazy a lot of games. Settles way too much for jumpers instead of getting to the basket. Deferred a lot to castle/harper which was appreciated, but we can make better use of $57M than using it on a player who just coasts through the regular season and has a limited ceiling in the playoffs
We have 8 season sample
Its time for him to step up now lol
Just to correct you OP, the 4⁄229 doesn’t even start until next year
He was always a fringe allstar at best despite having crazy volume
I wish they had Trae young instead to set up this offense
Castle and Harper are taking the reigns next year regardless
Portland has amazing perimeter defenders, and without Wemby they can all key in on Fox. Definitely an uphill battle now
They played a great physical game tonight. They have a lot of POA defenders that are on court at all times and they made it hell for our guards due to their size.
Very surprised Fox couldn’t get by Camara in isolation possessions in the second half. I trust he will next game because there wasn’t too many screening actions for him and portland did well to have clingan clog up that paint ahead with kornet on his back.
some more screens should hopefully give him the gap that he was getting in the first when we were running screens for him. idk why we went away from that but there must’ve been a reason.
I thought he was pretty good today. Did any of you actually watch the game? He hit a lot of tough shots in vital periods where Spurs were struggling.
17pts on 16 shots. -14 in a 3pt loss. the sooner dylan harper is ready to start on this team the better
As opposed to Castle going for 18 points on 20 shots, or Vassell going for 16 points on 16 shots?
The +/- is because we got annihilated in non-Kornet minutes when we played Carter Bryant at center, because we’re not going to trot out Mason fucking Plumlee to sub in during the playoffs. You going to also shit on Champagnie and CB’s +/- as well? The team overall didn’t play well at all during long stretches of the 4th quarter, and part of that is certainly on Fox, but he’s not the only one who had a shit game today.
Also, looking at single game +/- is so utterly meaningless, unless you’re also advocating for Harrison Barnes to get expanded minutes - he was a team high +13 after all.
He is who we thought he was
Worst contract in the league at least Paul George can net wins
Maybe worst for now, Poeltl has a $104 mil extension starting 2027-28
Embiid is getting paid 60 mil in 2029
Not a great game tonight, I could see him shouldering the scoring burden with Wemby out though. Long-term I don’t like his fit or the contract for the Spurs, but he has been unfairly criticized for not putting up more ppg in the regular season when he took less touches on purpose to allow Castle/others development.
He could have forced shots at the cost of the team to score 25 just like he’s done his whole career, but he played unselfishly and they won a lot of games that way.
Plus he wanted to be there
translation: Spurs were one of the few teams willing to give him a max
Yea, but how many max players were asking for the Spurs? Beggars can’t be choosers scenario on both sides.
Considering they got the 2nd seed a year after having the #2 pick and kept all their young players, I don’t think it’s a bad acquisition even if he is massively overpaid.
did you edit out the part of your comment that said “plus he wanted to be here” or did i totally make that up in my comment
i think we’re on the same page, i liked the acquisition just not the contract …which you also seem to agree with “he is massively overpaid”
if it’s so obvious he’s massively overpaid i don’t understand why some people don’t get why fans don’t like “him” (not personally but for the team’s sucess)
Yea I deleted the last part, only just so it wasn’t as long not to trip you up lol. But definitely said it
And we’re probably on the same page overall. Especially as a smaller guard who relies on speed with a shaky three pointer and a contract partially for ages 30+ at the max… way overpaid.
Lot of reactionary takes in here. Fox was excellent in game 1 and a reason they won.
17 points on 16 posessions and 8 assists is not really “excellent”…the main context here is the contract
17 pts and 8 ast on 16 possessions?? that’s not excellent? I’m confused
17 points on 16 possession is 53.5% TS% it’s way below league average.
8 assists to 0 TO is good (not included in the 16 possessions above), but it’s not exactly “excellent” for a max contract player
People are just saying what they have been saying for years about him
No, you don’t understand. The Spurs lost and Fox did not have a superstar game. Therefore Fox is overpaid. /s
He’ll be a helluva Bull
Trade him for Giannis
Fox on like, ~30m per year would be a mixed bag, as it stands he’s kind of a net negative. It sucks because he’s always been one of my favourites, too. When he hits a full sprint in transition, it’s like he teleports to the basket. It’s breathtaking; the next play, he’ll shoot a three off the side of the backboard with 17 seconds on the clock. He’s very Westbrook to me, just more narrowly offensively-minded (which is a bad thing)
Fox should have never cried his way out of Sac.
Watching almost every game this season, yes he deserves the salary. He’s been a calm hand and mostly clutch all season. He knows his role well
he’s really not bad he’s just not worth all that. thankfully it’s not a huge deal for us with Harper right on his tail, y’all will be shocked when we flip him for a decent package
If Fox is traded who takes him? Rockets? Hawks? Timberwolves?
A trade centered around Fox and assets for Amen could be interesting for both sides.
Fox is about to take over.
Bah gawd that’s Bradley Beals music.
I mean has he beat features heavily all year? You don’t typically see crazy outliers in the playoffs. Outside of demons Playoff Rondo and Playoff Jimmy
The Bradley Beal special
They should just give harper more minutes. Idk but i trust his decision making more than Fox.
He is useless
He’s there for salary-matching purposes when the Spurs trade for Giannis and torch the league.
I get why they signed him, but the second they realized what they had in both Harper and Castle, they should’ve tried to move him. Now they’re stuck cuz he looks like ass in his reduced role and his contract is horrendous.
Like maybe a rebuilding team like the Nets or Bucks could use him to just sell tickets and get assets, but he’s not even the best option for that
Isn’t their plan “we’ll take the contract but if you don’t produce as soon as we’re in the playoffs you’ll get shipped”
Told y’all Fox is a bum. Kings won the trade
Coworkers were trying to tell me this guy is a top 20 player
TOP 20!!!!
First year of his new four year deal starts next season