Based on the NBA Awards Vote Tracker: Joe Mazzulla on track for Coach of the Year; Jaylen Brown First Team All-NBA
If Mazzulla and Brown had lost their first-round home game to the Orlando Tragic the so-called “Boston sports media” would lock them out of all awards for the rest of their careers lmao
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Playoffs don’t officially matter for awards anyway. But the reputation damage would be permanent.
Votes were due on Friday. Playoffs have zero impact.
Well, that is my bad then. I haven’t paid attention to these for years, thank you.
The votes are due in before the playoffs start. This is just a public collection of votes of media members willing to participate.
Thank you, that was just my bad not paying attention the reward process before.
Also I think Derrick White’s in there for 1st team All D
Gotta be at least 2nd team dudes an absolute menace contesting shots
Jaylen is only on pace for 1dt team all nba because of the ballots from before they announced Cade was eligible, it looks like Cade may pass him up for the final spot sadly
There is 0 argument for 64 games of cade being better than 71 games of JB.. this is proof the media needs the 65 game rule when all of the media was screaming they are smart enough to take games played into account.
i’m gonna be so salty if he doesn’t get it regardless
Same here. Don’t know what the point of the 65 game rule is if we are just gkjng to make exceptions for everyone once people complain enough about their favorite player not getting it
No. The ballots were released only after the ruling on Cade and Luka
Correct, but this ballot tracker is tracking what voters said in the media before that ruling was announced, so it’s very possible they changed their ballots after they realized Cade and Luka were eligible
they let Perk vote??
Voters everywhere let people like ______ win
bird brain
I am never a superstitious guy but COY is a cursed award.
Either Joe wins it or loses to the Knicks again
OR
He erased that tradition and won the whole damn thing.
No in between!!
Tbf most of the guys who got “cursed” by it recently (Bud, Monty, Brown, even Thibs) were never among the best schematically to begin with and won based on seasonal turnarounds/narratives/player coaching.
Joe is actually just cracked so I’m not too worried.
Like Pop, Phil Jackson, Kerr etc also won the award. And Daigneault recently.
thanks bro! I love you
Joe - COTY
Queta - MIP
Tatum - FMVP
BANNER 19
Mark Daigneault won it in ‘24 so he may have broken the curse. Atkinson won too and he’s still there, Cavs just had some injuries in the playoffs last season.
Not Celtics related, but looking to the tracker Kon over Flagg is just funny. What is this, 3pt contest?
Bro Kon was lights out all year and LEFT THE LEAGUE IN 3’s AS A ROOKIE. That’s crazy impressive. Him flaming out at the end might have swayed some voters, but he is definitely getting ROY. Obviously Flagg has a higher ceiling and had a great year, but I don’t think it was better than Kon.
You are writing with caps the part I am talking about: 3s as a rookie, yeah I get that. I watched both, there is nothing else comparable between them, Flagg is better right at the moment, not a ceiling thing. Simple: sub in Flagg for Kon, Hornets would be better and might be in playoffs. Kon might be close second and real suprise here, sure. But not better. And the flaming out should be counted.
I mean their stats are very similar, Cooper had slightly more points, rebounds and assist but Kon was light years more efficient.
It is not all about “efficiency” of shooting. I have no discussion about Kon being a better shooter. But that is all he hasover Cooper. Cooper is a playmaker, shot creator for himself and others, defender, versatile about positions, rebounder, etc. Efficiency is really getting overrated by fans, even though important.
It’s not just “shooting efficiency,” it’s overall scoring efficiency and that matters way more than you’re giving it credit for.
Possessions are finite. What you do with them is what actually drives winning. Putting up higher raw totals on worse efficiency isn’t inherently more valuable it just means you’re using more possessions to get there.
Cooper is better all-around, sure. But Kon is miles ahead in efficiency, and that directly translates to better offensive impact. Calling efficiency “overrated” is backwards if anything, box score totals are what get overrated because they ignore how costly those possessions are.
A simple way to frame it: would you rather have elite efficiency with slightly less volume, or higher volume that comes at a cost to the offense?
Because that’s basically the gap here.
A good analogy of Cooper vs Kon is would you rather have prime Klay Thompson or Paolo Banchero this season?
Lol of course I meant scoring efficient with shooting efficiency. Thanks for explanation, I know stats but funny thing is 1) That does not really mean for Kon, he is a shooter, not like he is finishing at the rim. 2) If TS was the thing fans think it is, centers would be beating everyone and Jays would not be elite at all. So, no, a shooter is a shooter and is replaceable unless they are doing other things. An overall better big wing with a defense, playmaking AND shooting will always be more valuable than a pure shooter.
Your comparison of Banchero and Klay is not it and tells all about your confusion. What are you doing? 1- Klay was a really really good defender in his prime. People forgot that. 2- Banchero can not shoot well. Cooper can. That is my point. If Cooper had not a jump shot and a 3pt shooting, you would have a case. You have none. If you still want a fair comparison, it would be between Klay and Tatum. You know, the most similar player to Cooper in the league. Which one will you prefer? That is the case between Kon and Cooper. A first option all around player vs a second option who need a first, however good he is. The league has full of spot up shooters. Yes, Kon might be better them most, but the case is still this.
The problem with your thinking as in your oversimplification of volume, you are only thinking shots, not even creation of it, let alone other things. You are just focusing on a second of 24 seconds. This obsession with TS should end. If you see cost in the higher volume of Cooper, you are so mistaken. Back to my simple example: Cooper would create the shots against Orlando if he replaced Kon and wouldn’t be totally useless when they are not falling like Kon.
You’re kind of proving you don’t understand efficiency beyond surface level.
“He’s just a shooter, not finishing at the rim”
That’s irrelevant. Efficiency isn’t about where you score, it’s about points per possession. If Kon is generating elite efficiency from 3, he literally doesn’t need to get to the rim that’s the value of elite shooting. 3 > 2. You’re penalising him for being so good at the most valuable shot in basketball.
“Centers would dominate if TS mattered”
They don’t, because efficiency drops with volume and usage. That’s the whole point.
Kon’s efficiency is elite while still having comparable usage and scoring output to Cooper so that argument completely falls apart here. He’s not some low-usage role player, he’s producing at volume and efficiency.
“All-around > shooting”
In theory, yes. In reality, not when one player is actively inefficient.
Cooper being “all-around” doesn’t magically make inefficient possessions valuable. If anything, it just means he’s doing more things at a lower level.
Shooting gap
You’re downplaying it, but Cooper straight up can’t shoot at a high level. He was behind even Paolo from 3 and Paolo isn’t exactly an elite shooter. Cooper shoots below 30% That’s a massive offensive limitation.
Meanwhile Kon is one of the most efficient high-volume scorers in the league.
So what you’re really arguing is:
“Give me the guy who does more things, but wastes more possessions doing them.”
That’s not more valuable it just looks better in a box score.
And your “replace Kon with Cooper” example is backwards.
Defenses completely change based on elite shooting gravity. You can’t just swap them and assume the same shots exist — that’s not how basketball works.
The Tatum-Klay comparison is laughable. Tatum averages 30-8-5 in his prime on efficient shooting and one of the best 5 players in the league. Copper averaged 21-7-5 on the most inefficient scoring in the league. Klay and Kon have similar stats, I was actually being charitable comparing Cooper to Paolo.
In what world is Cooper as good as prime Tatum? Meanwhile Kon is actually pretty close to prime Klay. In fact Kon was significantly more efficient this season than ANY Klay Thomspon season - chew on that.
I understand efficiency, I think you are overrating it to the point reducing the game to shots, not creation. No, efficiency is not end all stat. Possessions are not there magically and they do not always have same value. Creation looks, good looks, as well as limiting good looks or replacing them bad ones: That is a good chunk of game you just completely ignore. Really, I answered you, you answer me: Tatum (as a very much Cooper type player) vs Klay (I don’t think they are the same, but if you say so). Which one?
And a note:Finishing at the rim was a joke directed at you as you corrected me about shooting efficiency, meant to be a joke like “what is it to do with Kon?” but anyway. Believe me, efficiency is not that hard to understand, I just don’t put it that high.
A second note: Yeah gravity matters, a lot. Problem with your logic is, Cooper’s gravity is way more than Kon. Just like Tatum’s inefficient ass has more gravity than Klay. You are quick to change “shooting efficiency” to scoring, but somehow frame gravity with shooting.
The Tatum/Klay comparison actually kills your argument.
Cooper isn’t Tatum. Tatum has never been this inefficient. You’re giving Cooper “Tatum credit” without him actually being Tatum.
And Kon vs Klay? That comp actually works except Kon is more efficient than any Klay season ever. Higher TS than peak Klay. So now your “Klay vs Tatum” is really:
Kon = Klay like shooting with better than Klay efficiency
Cooper = worse at every part of the game compared to Tatum and league worse efficiency
Then you fall back on “creation” and “gravity” like buzzwords without actually showing where it outweighs the efficiency gap.
Elite shooting is gravity arguably the most reliable kind and Kon provides that constantly without needing the ball.
And even your volume argument doesn’t hold Kon’s per-36 is 21-6-4 compared to Coopers 22-7-5.
So what’s left?
Similar volume, comparable playmaking, massive efficiency gap and you’re just hand-waving that away with vague terms.
You do realize that it’s not the “who would you rather have” award. It’s an award for the best rookie that season. Kon was the best rookie this season, by a hair. It’s not a travesty and you are underselling his skillset by a mile.
Because he shoots better? Replace their team, who would advance those teams? So how is he the better rookie? I swear you are just looking to shooting splits. Then we should trade both Jays.
Bruh multiple people have explained it’s offensive efficiency not just “shooting splits”. You know, the thing that directly contributes to winning. You can’t replace their team, that’s a dumb argument. Especially when we use the argument “best player on best team” for mvp.
Flagg: 1.3 EPM
Kon: 3.1 EPM
Flagg’s the better player but Kon will win rookie of the year
Flag is also the better player in their rookie year, doing it all better other than shooting. Charlotte would be better with him, Dallas will be worse with Kon if they are replaced.
I agree 100%, just saying how the voting is gonna go
Fair enough, you’re right
Perkins is such a hater. Just because the teams/office doesn’t like him anymore doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take your obligations seriously.
I think people are going to ding cade for getting qualified on an exception. Jaylen should land that 5th slot
I think I saw Michael Wilbon say he gave Jaylen a first place mvp vote lmaooo
PP and Queta snubbed for 6th man and most improved smh
Both started too many games to be eligible for 6th man.
How can you vote for Charles over Joe when the hornets didn’t even make the playoffs
Out of the votes they’ve each received, 60% of Cade’s are for 1st team, and 54% of browns are for 1st. So that bodes better for Cade. But here’s hoping
That’s weak (but the silver lining is Jaylen takes these type of slights very personally & will surely fuel him at the perfect time).
Every time I think about Mazzulla and this COY honor, I chuckle thinking about he just took a giant dump on the award when asked recently about it
No one cares.
When are these things announced?