Collapsed lung and having way too good of a stat line to miss nba honors

Doncic missed 2 games in December because of the birth of his child abroad, while Cunningham had a collapsed lung.

He got injured at 64 games and I believe he would be back if they make it to the second round of the playoffs

Yup and scoring title

Let the joke fly man

Well mvp is a team award now I guess, sadly Lukas 34/8/8 doesn’t matter, even tho he carried a dogshit lakers.

Which he will be getting and which he does deserve! Hooray!

I was sad he wasn’t going to get that

Luka also missed 2 games for the birth of his child in December. That was the main driving point for his exception argument. He would have had 66 games otherwise.

If Luka wasn’t eligible for awards despite leading the league in PPG, total points, and one of the league leaders in minutes, then the 65 game rule would lose a lot of credibility by fans.

Cade and Luka making it means it’s doing what it’s supposed to, force players to play.

Yeah, they need to just make it 65 games or 2100 minutes, either one to qualify.

Nothing to be upset about anyway because it’s just basketball

But the rule allows for exceptions to be filed, so nothing is really bent here.

If they’re going to be reasonable about appeals for players who get close to the threshold, it actually makes me swing back around to liking the 65 game rule.

Feels like very few of the NBA rules are tuned to begin with.

Exactly. The whole point was to stop awarding people who selectively play 1 of the 2 back to back road games.

Cade and Luka were actually gunning for the MVP. They deserve their shot at that.

there’s a spirit of the rule

This concept has become so lost in all facets of sports and even just life in general. People treat rules as parameters to be exploited or gamified, or are as radical about adherence to the exact wording with the fervor of a radical muslim/christian is about scripture.

Yeah this is what i’m not understanding. What counts as an extraordinary injury? He was back within a few weeks lol it didn’t seem all that crazy ultimately

Cade played in 64 games and was playing in the game that he got injured in. If that injury were in the 4th quarter instead of the 1st, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation because he would have met the requirement. Instead, he got injured in the 1st quarter so the game didn’t count for him and he was done.

When he was so close to the line that it was just a matter of “if he played one more quarter in this game before getting hurt, he makes it,” it’s real easy to make an exception, imho.

Im guessing 61 is too far from the cutoff compared to 64 not the severity of the injuries

Luka also missed 2 games for the birth of his child. I think the was the main argument for Luka.

It happened during a game that if it happened 10 minutes later would have put him over the threshold. Seems reasonable.

I feel like this season with Cade, Ant, and Luka all playing 2k+ minutes and Wemby hitting the game threshold shows that a simple one or the other solution would likely fix the major issues people have. The other alternative I saw the other day is that 3rd team All NBA should have no restriction, and I think that’s fair, especially when contracts depend on this stuff.

The point of the rule is so players don’t sit out games for load management, right? Cause people that buy tickets want to see wemby or Luka play.

From that perspective, if wemby plays 75 games averaging 25 minutes, that’s better for fans than playing 60 games with 35+ minutes or something

He played 29 mins per game, what are yall talking about?

Soon enough we probably won’t even know the results until after the finals. Wouldn’t be surprised. Like it’s not hard to just drop them throughout the first round if not before hand. I know this year a little weird with the exceptions but still

For sure it would be awesome. I get it this year to a lesser extent because of this exception shit but like we can still force ballots to be in by Friday and announce it like Sunday or Monday. Will that happen? Hell na. But it would make so much sense

Best adjustment would be to have a sliding scale for MVP vs 1st team all-NBA vs 2nd team vs 3rd team. Maybe 65 for MVP, 60 for 1st team, 55 for second or third team. 64 games of Luka is more valuable than 75 games of whomever would get bumped up into 3rd team all-NBA.

This is very likely if they agreed to it.

Remove it, no. Silver already publicly said he’s not ready to say the rule doesn’t work.

Adjustments though, most likely.

Just do a compromise : 65 games OR 2000 minutes

This rule is like the only good thing Silver has done since the pandemic

Yeah I’m a fan of the 65 game rule in concept, but I think we need to lower the games played limit and add a minutes played requirement too

Good for Cade but I don’t get “missed games due to a collapsed lung”. Okay but what if you missed games due to a strained hamstring or a bad back or whatever. What’s the difference.

I think for Cade some of it is just him getting “lucky” with the timing of his injury. If he missed games mid-season due to the collapsed lung rather than right at the very end, I wonder if the League would be less forgiving.

Just make “played more minutes than Wemby” an official exception to the rule.

No injury is the players fault but they should draw a line. Missing multiple games for a twisted ankle is less extenuating than missing multiple games for a collapsed lung. One you can play through, the other could technically be life threatening

Its possible they would have used that as a rest day since it was against the Wizards with a back to back against the Cavs the next day and he was in no danger of not having enough games to qualify (at the time.)

I know the optics look poor in the current scenario, but he likely would have been short the game no matter his technical count.

And he missed 2 games for his child vs 1 for technical, so you could argue he was still giving up 1 extra game he could have played in if not for the circumstances.

nearly cost him dearly

This ain’t war

they can both be 1st team

Didn’t they get rid of the position requirements? First team will be Cade, Luka, Shai, Jokic and Wemby

I’m here for it. Brown shouldn’t get 1st team over Cade.

I mean luka is going to be an obvious 1st team guy who didnt hit 65, so I dont think it is that clear.

With minutes this has been beaten to death already butf ans don’t care about minutes. They pay ticket prices for games, and they want to see players in games, even if it’s for only 20 minutes

You can apply for an exception if you played a 62-game minimum for season-ending injuries.

Luka had 64 games but didn’t meet the 85% of games played threshold to automatically apply so they did the Extraordinary Circumstances Challenge where there is an appeals process for cases that do not technically meet the strict criteria but involved legitimate, unavoidable absences, allowing for a hearing. Cade finished with 64 games played but at time of lung injury only had 61.

For Doncic, it was the birth of his second child. For Cade it was a collapsed lung injured while playing. For ANT, he missed the games from injury management around his knee, and illness.

Well then imo there’s the case right there. He would’ve had 65 games if not for a freak collapsed lung mid game.

This needs to be the top comment. I don’t why this is so hard to understand

This!

Cade was easily on pace to play ~77(He plays B2bs, but we’ll say 73 if he rested every single back to back) before the collapsed lung, it’s crazy how some people say this exception is dumb.

Can’t this same logic apply to Ant? He isn’t really a load management guy and just ended up sidelined for an extended stretch due to a nagging knee injury that he played through a bunch of times during the season. He is being punished because his injury happened a couple weeks earlier and that’s a bit annoying. I’m not gonna slam the rule, I’ve been defending it from the beginning but this exception is strange imo. Why are we punishing a player for getting injured before the end of the season as opposed to at the end? Because they have the “advantage” of knowing they can’t load manage? 

People complain stars are load managing their nuts and everyone wants them to play more because they go to games and stars aren’t playing

Adam Silver introduces a rule to combat that

What is Adam Silver doing bro? My favorite player deserves All NBA and these accolades why is he doing this

I’d argue it wasn’t about Embiid, since his injuries for the most part justified his absence.

The rule was for teams/stars purposefully sitting out games just for load management, implemented as a way to “punish” them for doing that.