How the hell did he not win mvp after the bulls won 69 games that season?

This Jordan guy sounds like a bum looool, imagine being 0.4ppg off

How are SGA/MJ per 36 stats/advanced metrics so eerily similar, except for VORP where Jordan destroyz SGA? Books will be written.

Master at handling balls

Hes basically jordan if you took like 10 points out of athleticism and put it in everything else

People are going to get pissed off by this comment, however he really is that player.

well not based on how they play. but some of their numbers are quite close

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He’s a point guard.

Because…..he absolutely foul baits….i don’t understand why everyone thinks this is a one or the other argument. Shai is both fucking elite and foul baits. It’s okay.

Small corner of the internet… the media is calling it out too. Listen Shai is awesome, but he’s earned his place next to Harden as one of the elite all time scorers who was a step ahead of the rest of the league when it came to taking advantage of the rules and the way refs call the game. It’s gonna be part of his legacy.

You either have to foul him or hope he misses

Yup, people can complain about the foul baiting but he’s just taking advantage of the current rules and officiating trends. Much like Harden did during his peak.

Cant be bothered to go before 2000 but this Shai season has a better ast/to ratio than all other 30ppgs from 2010 onwards. That includes: Steph, KD, Dame, Bradley Beal, Embiid, Luka, Giannis, Harden (holy fuck he averaged 5 TOs a game in ¹⁶⁄₁₇), Tatum, LeBron, Dwade, Carmelo, AI, Kobe, Tmac, Russ.

Honestly probably is the best ast/to ratio all time for a 30 ppg+ scorer

Ranks pretty highly I assume.

From the recent years, Harden’s 30 ppg seasons don’t cut it, Giannis’ don’t either, Luka has three and his highest is at 2.4 ratio compared to Shai’s 3.

Dame in 2020 was at 2.75 which was elite. Can’t think of anyone that can come close but open to suggestions.

I tried to make this point a few weeks ago, but I’m sure it fell on deaf ears. His ability to not pick up the ball when the double comes and keep it alive, while not turning it over against the added pressure is so elite. And it opens up passing angles that all sorts of players struggle to get to because as soon as the double gets there, they are making the “right” play and making the simple pass. 

For Shai, he does make the simple pass, but this season in particular he has gotten much, much better at extending the defense out like a few feet further than they want to, and he finds these slip passes to like a J-Will that always gets the offense into a great 4-3 and a really good shot. He might not always get the assist, but our offense gets GOOD looks because he’s so good at drawing the extra attention and getting the swing swing sequences going

Shai wom a ring as the fmvp, even if wemby wins 5 straight Shai is a first ballot hall of famer and will be immortalized in NBA history

I dare you to find this exact post about the record of turnovers with a 30ppg threshold in the last year

I thought his team was more stacked than 10 USA Olympic teams? That’s how it’s described in every Luka thread

The bottom of the net!

Turnovers are advanced stats?

They’re one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league, Shai is almost never given iso opportunities without someone helping off his teammates

He tries difficult passes but he focuses on making those passes easier first. Making a difficult pass is useless if you can make your life easier by making the pass easier

He gets doubled and even tripled all the time. Why even comment when you don’t know what you’re talking about

I mean, he’s 14th in the NBA when it comes to assists per game.

I dont think that falls under ‘doesnt pass much’ category

Why do y’all find ways to hate on Shai

His ast/to ratio is super higher afaik, and his assist totals are a little misleading. He misses a significant amount of assists because of hockey assists (this is generally system dependent, Steph/Spurs come to mind), and people bricking wide open shots at a higher than average rate.

I checked maybe a couple weeks ago, and Shai was top 5 in the league in hockey assists, and top 5 in potential assists.

Shai has one of the highest usages in the league, whether you attribute the low turnovers to his handle or his passing the point is that it supresses the hell out of his team lost possesions

Amongst players who have played at least 50 games with a 20+ MPG average and a usage of at least 20 percent, Shai is 7th in the NBA.

Among those top 7, only Andrew Nembhard has a highest AST% than him.

Quickley

Pritchard

DeRozan

Nembhard

Jamal Murray

Derrick White

Shai

This is the list.

edit: formatting gets fucked up on reddit but it’s easy to set the parameters yourself by going to the advanced section on nba.com

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced