Agreeable_Cattle_691 | Mavericks

530 | 13 hours ago

the thing is that SGA in his minute rotation pretty much all season played 12/6/12/6 so if they were up big halfway through the 4th he would never come back in

affnn

180 | 13 hours ago

Jokic’s minutes are pretty regularly that same 12/6/12/6 schedule.

Thehelloman0 | Spurs

83 | 13 hours ago

Wemby played the whole fourth quarter a few games I think at the beginning of the season but typically he plays some at the beginning of the fourth takes a break and then closes the game out

spraypaint23 | Lakers

35 | 12 hours ago

I feel like this is a false premise. This is not a popular belief at all?

Minutes played total and when you play those minutes are completely different and everyone knew SGA in particular was sitting out 4th quarters as the Thunder were blowing people out - especially early season.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

0 | 10 hours ago

Yes, people knew that about Shai.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

37 | 13 hours ago

Yeah shai regularly plays heavy minutes thru the first 3 quarters, secures a lead doing so, and then sits

TheAracknight | Thunder

2 | 5 hours ago

It’s what I’ve been preaching and arguing to my friends who believe that he doesn’t deserve MVP because he doesn’t play 4th quarters.

He plays so many mins through the 1st 3 quarters and is thus securing us a huge lead that once the 4th quarter rolls around we don’t need him to comeback into the game, and why he finishes most games hovering around that 30 min mark

lethalizered | Thunder

22 | 12 hours ago

Spurs are basically gaming Wemby’s rotations, this includes the 2nd quarters as well.

Smart coaching, but makes thing a whole lot easier for Wemby.

We’ll see how teams adjust to this come playoff time.

long-stick-1 | Spurs

12 | 12 hours ago

Can you elaborate?

lethalizered | Thunder

82 | 12 hours ago

Posted in this thread but here for a copy and paste:

“Thing is, Spurs coaching staff is doing something very interesting and that is starting the 2nd and 4th quarter WITH Wemby, as opposed to without him. Now this is incredibly smart on their end(it’s something I do when playing 2k when I trust all my other players even), but the side effect to this is it can lead to some bloated impact metrics. Usually, the league operates in a certain way that the start of the second and fourth quarter belongs to the backups OR the second option of teams to carry them over the hump while the team waits for the first option to check back in.

Spurs don’t do this. They manage Wemby’s minutes carefully so he can dominate the backup minutes of opponents’ (usually) bench lineups during the start of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

It’s very smart coaching. But the on-off based impact metrics can also get boosted when teams operate this way.

Wemby, while only averaging 29.5 MPG post ASB, is actually third in second quarter MPG during that same span.”

Broken_Lute

20 | 11 hours ago

This is very interesting, thank you!

Cue interesting Russ gif

Megatron_McLargeHuge | Cavaliers

-22 | 10 hours ago

Is this the new SGA MVP argument, that Wemby’s stats are inflated by playing against backups?

lethalizered | Thunder

26 | 10 hours ago

I mean I love Wemby, and SGA will be the MVP, I don’t need an argument for that.

But sure, if that’s how you want to interpret this, go for it.

GuacKiller

8 | 9 hours ago

This is the ‘Embiid doesn’t play against good bigs on the road’ argument.

Jaded-Sapphire3546 | Thunder

227 | 13 hours ago

Between sitting and missing games, Shai only played 42 4th quarters this season.

vindictivejazz | Thunder

148 | 13 hours ago

And he still leads the league in clutch points, crazy

Tall-Dot-607 | Pistons

48 | 12 hours ago

Weirdly, Ant beats him in clutch point per minute.

topofthecc | Thunder

17 | 10 hours ago

Single-season clutch stats are usually just sample size theater. There aren’t even all that many guys whose career clutch stats are statically significantly better than their regular stats. (From what I remember the last time I thought about this several years ago, Lillard was about the only active player with good evidence that he did better in the clutch.)

S21500003 | Bucks

1 | 6 hours ago

That’s cause for Dame there’s no such thing as clutch time. Its Dame Time

Old_Supermarket_7575 | Thunder

4 | 8 hours ago

That’s so confusing how is that possible

Did the wolves play that much less clutch time

Tall-Dot-607 | Pistons

8 | 8 hours ago

Edwards played about 30 less total minutes in the clutch. 125 v 93

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

2 | 34 minutes ago

Ant played less minutes but he also missed like 24 games this year. He would have the most points in all likelyhood had him and Shai played the same.

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

-24 | 11 hours ago

Ant is the better clutch player this year. SGA gets way more of his clutch points from FTs than Ant does

Edit: Ant has more clutch FGs made despite fewer FGA. He shoots much better from 2, and better from 3. He’s the better clutch player this season, but SGA’s 2+ FTs puts his total points ahead of Ant

Comfortable_Cup5107 | Thunder

12 | 10 hours ago

He gets more fts because he puts the team in his backpack in the clutch and then gets the intentional fts lol

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

-6 | 8 hours ago

Intentional free throws lol

Comfortable_Cup5107 | Thunder

8 | 8 hours ago

Ya you know, the fts you get when a team is down and you have the ball so they have to foul you to get ball back ……….

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

-6 | 8 hours ago

It’s free points lol

Comfortable_Cup5107 | Thunder

6 | 8 hours ago

Ya, because he gave his team the lead and then they got a stop……… He gave them the lead and he gets to benefit of getting the fts because he played so well. …………

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

1 | 8 hours ago

He caught the inbound man. What are you talking about? SGA is going to be the MVP but calling out intentional FTs in a discussion about the most clutch player ain’t it

Comfortable_Cup5107 | Thunder

5 | 8 hours ago

You’re getting there. He caught the inbound pass. Now why exactly did they need to foul?

Zeeron1 | Thunder

6 | 9 hours ago

Shai has more attempts and makes, so that was a lie.

Ant is 15-9 in clutch games, Shai is 20-7. Apparently one guy can close out a game, one guy can’t.

J_Dawgg1 | Thunder

4 | 9 hours ago

Whatever “ethical ball” shit you’re peddling does nothing here to change Shais clutch scoring numbers. Getting to the line and hitting your free throws in the clutch is still something that drives winning. In fact I remember a season or two ago when Ant went 0/3 on a trip to the free throw line against OKC in a one score game in the final seconds. Of course just to highlight the irony, obviously that doesn’t affect this years CPOTY race.

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

0 | 8 hours ago

Ant is a better shooter by a good amount in the clutch this year. FTs is the reason SGA has more total points, and he absolutely gets a more favorable whistle than Ant in general. SGA is my MVP this year so it isn’t a dig on him in the slightest to call out his FTs, but Ant has been better in the clutch this year imo

AynB1and | Thunder

3 | 9 hours ago

facts are great. relevant facts are better.

howsaboutyou | Timberwolves

1 | 8 hours ago

What’s irrelevant here?

Representative_Tea9

-42 | 13 hours ago

no shit he play if its a clutch games its not like he sits if its close sitting 4th does not impact that

Zeeron1 | Thunder

54 | 13 hours ago

They are talking about totals not averages

jocro | Thunder

5 | 11 hours ago

well shit let’s talk about both lol

dhejjrrjbrbrd | Thunder

23 | 13 hours ago

You’d have to check how many clutch games OKC played in compared to other teams with players that are in the running for clutch player of the year. The implication here is assuming that OKC played in less clutch games than other teams yet Shai still led in scoring and was a top candidate in efficiency.

But I’d bet OKC probably still played in a good amount of clutch games this season

nba2k11er | Warriors

16 | 12 hours ago

He has a combo of very high volume scoring and a decent amount of minutes despite fewer clutch games.

Points: 175 (1st)

Minutes: 125 (22nd)

Points per 100 possessions: 64.1 (1st among reasonable minutes, only Edwards and Curry are close)

TS%: 66.8 (can’t really find the rank, but obviously a great number)

Total +/- in clutch: +93 (1st by a lot)

The stats at face value say he’s clutch player of the year. Ant 2nd. However, clutch basketball is often situational basketball. And players on elite teams probably spend more time in a more favorable situation.

Shai got 68 FTA in those 125 minutes. Many probably came from intentional fouls while the Thunder led at the end.

Representative_Tea9

-14 | 13 hours ago

yeah its all about the amount and if he overperformed that, he probably did but it has nothing to do with sitting in the 4th

Szobortz | Mavericks

14 | 13 hours ago

why not when the theory is he has much less opportunity to play in close games?

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

-2 | 11 hours ago

Downvoted for telling the truth.

SGA has played 56% more clutch minutes than Wemby this season.

Black_Ember06 | Thunder

99 | 12 hours ago

Ain’t no way this was the popular belief

maxrod889

22 | 10 hours ago

Right? Just shows how many people don’t actually watch games. It gets stated nearly every single game that the Spurs are purposefully managing Wemby’s minutes. Both as a way to ease him back into the game from missing majority of last season and as preventative measures to ensure that he could both play a full season and be healthy/ready for the post season.

mainvolume | Spurs

8 | 9 hours ago

Yup, they play him in spurts, usually no more than 6 minutes at a time. Since he plays so damn hard on both ends of the floor, it’s tiring. It’ll be interesting to see how the minutes are managed come playoffs. Shorter breaks? Luckily Kornet is the backup, who could be a starter on half the teams.

Longjumping_One_9164 | Thunder

1 | 2 hours ago

Yes he plays hard, but his production in less minutes isnt going to automatically extrapolate out to 38-40mins in the Playoffs.

I have no doubt he can play that, but id definitely expect his overall output to reduce somewhat because playing 40mins as a 7’5 giant isnt going to be an easy feat.

Going to be very interesting to see if he can sustain the MVP level play in a larger minutes role.

LordBaneoftheSith

5 | 9 hours ago

Never occurred to me because the minutes restriction thing was always so prominent

nycbroncos | Nuggets

3 | 6 hours ago

Dunno why people create these bizarre strawmen arguments. No one said that about Wemby; everyone who knows his minutes are low knows it’s his injuries. Mixing and matching SGA and wemby storylines

lethalizered | Thunder

48 | 12 hours ago

Interesting, I just did a deep dive on this.

It’s not even about 4th quarters only, Spurs actually like to put him in to start the 2nd quarters against the opposing backups as well.

Copy and paste:

“Spurs coaching staff is doing something very interesting and that is starting the 2nd and 4th quarter WITH Wemby, as opposed to without him. Now this is incredibly smart on their end(it’s something I do when playing 2k when I trust all my other players even), but the side effect to this is it can lead to some bloated impact metrics. Usually, the league operates in a certain way that the start of the second and fourth quarter belongs to the backups OR the second option of teams to carry them over the hump while the team waits for the first option to check back in.

Spurs don’t do this. They manage Wemby’s minutes carefully so he can dominate the backup minutes of opponents’ (usually) bench lineups during the start of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

It’s very smart coaching. But the on-off based impact metrics can also get boosted when teams operate this way.

Wemby, while only averaging 29.5 MPG post ASB, is actually third in second quarter MPG during that same span.”

FormalDisastrous2467 | Thunder

25 | 12 hours ago

I remember very vividly him doing this in the first okc matchup and as a result he had something like a +20 on off since his minutes were staggered against shai.

lethalizered | Thunder

38 | 12 hours ago

See he was actually coming off the bench for that game so that’s just normal rotations for a bench player, that gets a pass.

What’s interesting is the Spurs continuing this strategy after the ASB when he was very much starting.

Armanewb | Spurs

2 | 9 hours ago

I mean, the opponents were free to put their starters in when Wemby was on the floor if they wanted to, its clearly not some super secret tactic

sorendiz | HOU

6 | 9 hours ago

Nobody suggested otherwise

Armanewb | Spurs

8 | 9 hours ago

They manage Wemby’s minutes carefully so he can dominate the backup minutes of opponents’ (usually) bench lineups during the start of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

There’s clearly an implication here that Wemby pads stats against benches though

sorendiz | HOU

3 | 6 hours ago

Actually that’s a fair way to read that comment, yeah. To me it seemed more about the Spurs planning around maximizing his impact while keeping his overall minutes down as a strategy but I can see the statpadding implication angle

lethalizered | Thunder

0 | 3 hours ago

Yeah what you said initially is what I meant, and that’s why I called it smart coaching.

I’m not saying he’s statpadding, I’m saying he’s basically being load managed, and the impact metrics(not basic p-r-a stuff) gets boosted because of it.

I’m just excited about the counters to this strategy come playoff time.

sleepyguy- | Thunder

-2 | 8 hours ago

I mean he kinda does. Doesnt make him a lesser player, still a freak, but lets call it what it is.

-WingsForLife- | Lakers

5 | 7 hours ago

The idea of stat padding is that you’re doing jackshit with the stats you have, which is clearly not what’s happening.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

1 | 32 minutes ago

You can’t overplay your stars either. If your 1st option already played 11-12 first quarter minutes he won’t be out for the 2nd quarter to start off with.

This is something teams don’t do against the Spurs because they play different teams every night, so having a set 12/6/12/6 pattern makes it alot easier.

apadayo | Spurs

10 | 11 hours ago

That’s always been his pattern, basically optimized around 6 minutes stretch.

Usually play ~6 minutes first quarter, get 6 minutes break, play 6 minutes second quarter but 2nd quarter rest is shorter so he play the last 2-4 minutes, which explains why his 2nd quarter is his highest MPG. 3rd quarter he gets 6-8 minutes and then it really depends on the game results.

Hard to say how much he play with and vs bench and how much impact that has. There isn’t really any full backup/starter lineups anymore outside starts of 1st and 3rd and end of game. He plays 65% of his minutes with Castle and 30% with Harper, if that can be an indicator.

Going by +/- and points scored, his best quarter is definitely the first (unsurprising, we often start strong), 3rd the worst (again no surprise, spurs fans call that quarter the “turd quarter”).

1st 418 minutes +326 (0.78 per minute), 362 points (0.87 points per minute)

2nd 528 minutes, +175 (0.33), 442 points (0.84)

3rd 492 minutes, +132 (0.27), 391 points (0.79)

4th 422 minutes, +160 (0.38), 401 points (0.95).

I’m not sure his sub pattern make any big positive or negative difference.

KARSbenicillin

11 | 11 hours ago

Well tbh I’m not sure if this is intentionally forcing Wemby to play the backups, or if its because it’s just how they’re load managing him with the minutes and it turns out that he plays more of the backups. Every Spurs game I watch it doesn’t seem like an intentional choice. They just play him the first 6-8 mins, pull him. Then restart quarter and do it again. Then in the 4th maybe add him in for clutch time if needed. On the flip side, it means that the opposing team’s starters are up against the Spur’s backups. Either way, Wemby still plays less minutes than the opposing team’s starters.

As a side note, I’m surprised that more teams don’t employ this strategy of putting your 1st or 2nd option against the enemy’s bench. The power disparity between two starting lineups with one minus the star vs. two bench lineups plus a start is much bigger. Hold the line and/or hemorrhage a bit against the enemy, then get dominate the bench minutes. Obviously it doesn’t work perfectly this way and there’s a lot more nuance, but I am surprised we don’t see more of this strategy. It’s not like it’s even new or anything since the Spurs had been doing this with Manu for years.

lethalizered | Thunder

10 | 11 hours ago

Well tbh I’m not sure if this is intentionally forcing Wemby to play the backups, or if its because it’s just how they’re load managing him with the minutes and it turns out that he plays more of the backups.

Not sure there’s much of a difference here when it comes to a first option.

It’s not like it’s even new or anything since the Spurs had been doing this with Manu for years.

Well aware of this, I’m not a young fan, I watched Harden do this for OKC as well. Difference is both those guys were 2nd/3rd options on their team while this was going on.

Armanewb | Spurs

6 | 9 hours ago

The Spurs bench doesn’t really operate as a discrete second unit either, there’s s lot of mixing and matching at the guard rotation (Fox, Castle, and Harper) as well as our wings (Vassell, Champagnie, Keldon, Barnes).

drippo-potamus | Spurs

43 | 13 hours ago

Well, he was on a minutes restriction early in the season and even when he’s not on a minute restriction, his substitution pattern is sorta back loaded, to where he’s subbed out out very early at the beginning of the game and playing more minutes toward the third and fourth quarter.

lethalizered | Thunder

22 | 12 hours ago

He’s averaging 8.3 mpg in 2nd quarters after the All Star Break while only averaging 29.3 MPG, it’s not exclusive to second halves. Ranks third in the league during that span.

This is a pattern that worked for the Spurs during the regular season.

ctruvu | Thunder

7 | 11 hours ago

imagine playing hard all game, busting ass just to keep the game relatively even and then wemby checks in for the first time in the second half

Armanewb | Spurs

5 | 9 hours ago

That’s literally how the Spurs operate when Wemby is available lol, tread water when Kornet is on the floor and then blow the game open during Vic’s minutes.

BananaRepublic_BR | Spurs

2 | 9 hours ago

Well, Wemby starts games. He just subs out around the 7 minute mark of the first quarter. Often plays the last two minutes of the first quarter, as well.

siphillis | Spurs

3 | 12 hours ago

Spurs have always done this. They don’t like playing their best players heavy minutes. Pretty sure Kawhi averaged 30 per game in his heyday

teamorange3 | Knicks

1 | 10 hours ago

But he played the most minutes in October and November lol.

DistributionOk9687

36 | 13 hours ago

He plays more in the 4th quarter when games are close lol

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

32 | 13 hours ago

Two posts down there’s a thread about Wemby playing fewer than half of his team’s minutes and all of the comments are talking about how it’s not his fault he blows teams out early and he sits out of the 4th quarter

This clearly shows that that is not the reason for the lower minutes than Jokic and Shai

First-Throat-877

1 | 13 hours ago

god laker fans never change.

apadayo | Spurs

2 | 11 hours ago

Spurs really only started blowing team starting February. Before/after it’s 25% vs 20% of minutes.

He played 173 minutes (over 25 games) in 4th quarter since then (vs 260 minutes in second quarter over 30 games) so yeah blowing teams does lower his minutes. He would probably be a little over 33 MPG since February otherwise, which would be around his MPG from last season.

The biggest difference still come from the December/January minutes restriction where he is at around 25.8 MPG over 22 games but theses blowout definitely play a part.

DistributionOk9687

-2 | 13 hours ago

He shares his minutes with Luke Kornet; he doesn’t need to play 35 MPG and he never will.

Striking_Food5273

-3 | 13 hours ago

It’s been true only since the all-star break

OurHorrifyingPlanet | Spurs

-4 | 13 hours ago

It’s not about 4th quarters or whatever lmao. If the team is blowing them out by 20 in the 1st quarter after 8 min—which happens quite often—he’s gonna sit regardless. They’re not gonna wait the 4th quarter to take him out if it’s +20. Then, they eat back at the lead without him, comes back in & out. That’s how you end up with a +17 on/off impact.

downreign

28 | 13 hours ago

he also plays in the 4th in many blowout games

cookomputer | Spurs

8 | 13 hours ago

So at this point wemby should play closer to 20 minutes per game since 29 minutes per game with majority in the 4th is still too many minutes lmao.

thatsinsaneletstryit | 76ers

10 | 12 hours ago

schrodinger’s wemby plays too much and too little

holy_moses_malone

2 | 13 hours ago

So does every other star in the league

ThinkingMSF | Celtics

28 | 10 hours ago

wemby’s numbers are low because the spurs actually understand that you should rotate more than eight guys in the regular season and most other teams don’t

then other teams show the surprised pikachu when everyone’s banged up or out of gas in the playoffs and they lose games they shouldn’t, or they complain about “injury luck” that they caused themselves

then the oldheads complain that no one plays anymore while leaving out the fact that players retired at 30 back in their day

rinse and repeat in every season of the modern era

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

9 | 10 hours ago

wemby’s numbers are low because the spurs actually understand that you should rotate more than eight guys in the regular season and most other teams don’t

I don’t know if this is the reason when we’re comparing him to Shai lol. OKC runs a deeper rotation than the Spurs

Armanewb | Spurs

4 | 9 hours ago

It’s not really about the total rotation, when it comes to centers it’s just a two man rotation most of the time. The shittier your backup, the more the starter has to play. We very rarely run double big so Kornet being very competent at his job (21 mpg and +1.7/game) is why we have different rotations from teams that can’t afford to do that.

Remote-Ad9928

2 | 10 hours ago

Bold to assume everyone has 8 players that can actually be valuable in a rotation.

Wooden-Case-55 | Spurs

6 | 8 hours ago

That’s on team GMs to find good players then.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

1 | 29 minutes ago

You mean like getting the 1st pick then the 4th pick and then the 3rd pick, all while picking up an all star player for scraps?

Not like the Spurs have done anything groundbreaking beyond having great picks and having a star request a trade to them because of the afformentioned 1st pick.

Wooden-Case-55 | Spurs

1 | 15 minutes ago

More like the Celtics who are 2nd in the East without their 1A/1B player and whose roster is comprised of low draft picks.

Do you want me to go back to the big 3 era wherein it was Duncan, Parker who was drafted as the last pick of the 1st round, and Manu who was drafted 57th overall.

It’s not just a high draft pick that contributes to success, it’s drafting well and building around your picks, especially a number 1 pick, instead of trading them to the East.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

1 | 8 minutes ago

Celtics are going nowhere without Tatum and Brown, 2 top 3 picks they got in back to back years.

The biggest reason for your success being Tim Duncan, who was the 1st pick. The Spurs dynasty does not exist if they didn’t get one of the greatest players of all time, even if they had drafted Manu and Parker.

It doesn’t matter how good your front office is if you don’t get talent.

Spurs had the same front-office since before Wemby and it didn’t make a single different between like 2019-2024 because they didnt have anyone to build around.

It’s easy to say “just get talent”, when you’ve been gifted 2 generational players in the draft.

Top-boy-og

19 | 13 hours ago

The Wemby glazing has got out of hand where people are just saying anything to glaze him lmao

Appropriate_Book_591

24 | 13 hours ago

It really is insane, he can also say a normal thing and people take him as a genius… like the other day, he did mental math on minutes “wow wouldn’t expect less from an Alien”

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

5 | 13 hours ago

I cant lie 50x35 on the spot in front of reporters and cameras is pretty cool. Not genius level but respectable af

Asoriel

1 | 8 hours ago

His school curriculum was likely different than the model most public US schools use. This isn’t necessarily a dig at the US or anything, some mathematical structures are easier to learn for individuals than others might be, it really more depends on if teachers are encouraging students to seek out a preferrable method.

For me as an example, 50x35 is 1750. I just multiply 50x30= 1500, then 50x5 = 250, add them together? 1750. I can do this well enough in my head, and I can do this with most numbers that aren’t above 5 digits, that’s when remembering the simplification can get bogged down.

Some methods utilize abacus counting, and I’d advocate for any student to give it a try. I use abacus counting for anything larger than 4 digits most of the time (to be fair, I rarely have to do any counting of that large of a sum anyway). I would honestly prefer just using the abacus method outright, but I grew up with simplification first so it feels more comfortable.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

1 | 6 hours ago

Yeah to be clear im not sitting here blown away by the fact that he could do 50x35 in his head. I did it exactly as you described (as an American), definitely seems like the natural way to do it.

My point is moreso

a) I think that alone puts him in a pretty high percentile in terms of the speed he did it at. It’s not genius level but I reckon <10% of adults are producing the answer on the spot in fewer than five seconds. Might say more about the average adult, but still.

b) While I can certainly produce the answer, I am far less certain I would do it in front of other people, on a stage, knowing I’m being filmed. I think the effect of pressure is underrated.

So i was moderately impressed

MelThyHonest

1 | 6 hours ago

It’s impressive because everyone just stops trying to do mental arithmetic as soon as possible and use calculators for everything you could do 350x5 or 50x30=1500 + 50x5 = 250 or you could do ³⁵⁰⁰⁄₂

YoF3 | Spurs

-2 | 11 hours ago

It wasn’t the calculation that was the interesting part but the whole interaction. Any other player would’ve gone full PR and given a nothing asnwer

Limp_Screen7405

11 | 13 hours ago

I’m not hearing this shit, y’all would jizz your pants whenever Jokic would say he likes horses and doesn’t care about basketball. Gtfo

504090 | Thunder

13 | 12 hours ago

Well yeah, the same applies for Jokic

PrinceJMoney089

2 | 11 hours ago

Don’t worry once he starts knocking out teams in the playoffs he’s gonna become hated real quick

Wendell-Short-Eyes | Spurs

2 | 11 hours ago

He’s still in the honeymoon phase, people will be shitting on him soon.

Unusual_Trainer5798

16 | 13 hours ago

He plays low minutes because he cant play a full season on high minutes pretty simple.Time to see if he can hold up throughout a play off series

YoF3 | Spurs

6 | 11 hours ago

Anyone who watches the games knows that he’s the first one to get subbed out on the 1st and 3rd quarter

TatumsRightHeel | Celtics

4 | 12 hours ago

Is this really popular belief? Haven’t considered this the case for a single second throughout the whole season.

mekarz

4 | 9 hours ago

It was an argument in defense of why he plays fewer minutes than other mvp candidates.

Mostly from social media comments.

josephandre

2 | 13 hours ago

i’ve never heard anyone say this though. his minutes are low because of his restriction

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

7 | 13 hours ago

https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/o1Sh9jMQOJ

Two posts down

josephandre

-6 | 13 hours ago

gotcha you’re responding to one guy but calling it popular belief.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

17 | 12 hours ago

One guy? Did you even click the link lmao it is full of comments saying it

You said “i’ve never heard anyone say this” and I have presented you with multiple in just the last 60 minutes and now you’re backtracking. Fascinating

josephandre

-6 | 12 hours ago

backtracking? huh? you made a post stemming from a thread i hadn’t seen. you the referenced a singular post in it 😂 even in that thread it’s primarily referencing the minutes restriction and a couple guy also mentioned the dominant post asb stretch. that’s still not claiming it’s because he sat out fourths and certainly isn’t popular belief. his minutes were heavily restricted all year AND he got some addtl rest recently. my fault for speaking on the entirety of the seasons discourse and not your specific argument an hour ago

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

10 | 12 hours ago

This is quite simple

You said “i’ve never heard anyone say this though.“

Which is fine. Maybe you haven’t seen anybody say this. Totally reasonable. I simply presented people saying it.

Then.. what, you got offended? Embarrassed? You shouldn’t be embarrassed, you weren’t proven wrong. It wasn’t even an argument.

josephandre

-3 | 12 hours ago

no. i’m guessing that’s the disconnect. you sent me to a particular post, i read it and saw it was an exchange with you. so i literally thought ahh he’s talking to this guy, cool. if you’d said “oh have you seen this thread?” i probably would’ve just been like oh, that’s crazy it’s the minutes restriction. but no didn’t get embarrassed or offended, just slightly confused at the backtracking comment because i didn’t backtrack. all good. they’re wrong

TravieGee | Nuggets

3 | 12 hours ago

Jokic plays all of the 1st and 3rd quarters, and only half the 2nd and 4th. This isn’t really a meaningful comparison.

BlunderDefect | Spurs

2 | 10 hours ago

The biggest issue and reason Wemby can’t sit entire 4th quarters is because the team squanders leads the moment he’s pulled out. He has to be a closer often. Wemby goes in game and lead grows, Wemby comes out game and lead disappears since teams get easy buckets in the paint often while the teams shooting is inconsistent.

Sometimes I’m just watching the game and wondering when Wemby is coming back in as I nervously watch the lead vanish. I don’t see any problem with it if we are winning games. Finishing 62-20 vs 22-60 two seasons ago. I don’t see any issue with Wemby’s minutes. Some one explain what the problem is if the team finished the season with its current record and Wemby is putting up the numbers in the minutes he does play?

Short-Cardiologist-4 | Thunder

-3 | 9 hours ago

It’s not a real basketball issue, it’s only an issue when you are arguing MVP credentials against guys playing 300+ more minutes on similar or better teams.

Tapprunner | Spurs

2 | 9 hours ago

I have never seen anyone claim that Wemby played fewer minutes because he sits out the 4th quarter.

I have seen tons of people point that out about Shai (because it’s true).

Who are these people that have this popular belief that nobody seems to have heard of?

FunIsWinning | Thunder

1 | 23 minutes ago

https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/o1Sh9jMQOJ

Maj0r_Ursa | Celtics

2 | 10 hours ago

All these posts seem to be by people with Lakers flairs

Zeeron1 | Thunder

1 | 13 hours ago

Did people really think that?

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

1 | 13 hours ago

https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/o1Sh9jMQOJ

Two posts down

Zeeron1 | Thunder

2 | 12 hours ago

Is that supposed to be linking to a comment that says it? I use the app and it’s been acting weird with comment sections lately…

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

0 | 10 hours ago

No it links to the post, the comment section in general is full of people saying it

Zeeron1 | Thunder

3 | 9 hours ago

I did a relatively quick skim all the way to the bottom and only saw 4 people say it - 2 spurs fans, a Lakers fan actually saying Shai sat out too many 4ths, and a no flair person

kyle4swordstyle | Pistons

0 | 10 hours ago

Yeah spurs fans act like they blow everyone out but the reality is they dont even have the best differential in the league. Cant stand the wemby jusy doesnt play 4th quarters cause he is god logic that spurs fans spew

The_Printer

3 | 9 hours ago

Only people that dont watch games say these things.

sleepyguy- | Thunder

1 | 8 hours ago

Wait so how does this guy lead the league in clutch points? He must be pretty good.

ffinstructor

0 | 13 hours ago

I don’t think this was a popular belief at all. He sits minutes earlier so he can be available for the 4th.

Let’s see if he can stay healthy and have the stamina during the playoffs when he can’t rest as much prior to going during the 4th.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

2 | 13 hours ago

https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/o1Sh9jMQOJ

Two posts down

ffinstructor

0 | 7 hours ago

Lmaooooo, where does that say Wemby was sitting 4th quarters?

It acknowledges he doesn’t play as many minutes as other stars, which is just a fact. But it’s not attributing that to him sitting 4th quarters like your post suggests.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

0 | 6 hours ago

The comments lol it’s full of ppl saying exactly that

ffinstructor

1 | 4 hours ago

Just read every comment. It’s just you and the original poster of this stat who care about 4th quarter minutes. 🤣

Ready_Preparation816

-1 | 12 hours ago

It’s not sitting 4th quarters it’s that we are outscoring teams when he’s on the court by a wide margin.

thejuan | Spurs

-1 | 12 hours ago

Lakers hating on the Spurs, we back baby

Several_Hour_347

-6 | 13 hours ago

Well yeah, he’s made of glass so they keep him bubble wrapped

DistributionOk9687

0 | 13 hours ago

In any case, there are no rules about the minutes played.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

2 | 13 hours ago

There aren’t rules about points scored or defense played either. I think voters consider those factors.

DistributionOk9687

2 | 12 hours ago

If you want my opinion, it’s easier to build around Wemby and separate the minutes, whereas Luka absolutely has to play 40 minutes per game and you have to live or die with him.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

1 | 12 hours ago

I would certainly vote for Wemby over Luka

DistributionOk9687

1 | 12 hours ago

luka is better but i mean with wemby he can plays 25min and your team produce elite numbers like that

psytrax9 | Spurs

-6 | 13 hours ago

Oh damn, can we really call Jokic or SGA MVP if we can’t even trust them to play in the 4th quarter?

Spin is dumb.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

11 | 13 hours ago

It is a direct response to people claiming that Wemby’s minutes are low because he is sitting 4th quarters. It isn’t a spin at all. Very strange interpretation.

psytrax9 | Spurs

-4 | 11 hours ago

It’s really the entire minutes argument as a whole. But, it’s not like you made an entire post for this for no reason other than purely presenting numbers and no consideration beyond that.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

4 | 10 hours ago

No the reason was to address the people claiming that Wemby’s minutes are low because he is sitting 4th quarters

It’s a very simple post with a very simple premise (that is clearly stated) and for some reason you are being dodgy about it

averagejoeag | Spurs

-9 | 13 hours ago

And yet he puts up the numbers he does. Even more insane. If he played 33 mpg there would not be a question on MVP.

ColdCocking | Hornets

16 | 12 hours ago

Lol stop deluding yourself. His advanced metrics would tank severely if he was playing more. There’s a reason why they’re so high right now. Because he’s fresher than everyone else out on the court because he’s playing less minutes.

It’s like saying a car that just had a pit stop and got fresh tires is faster than a car that’s been out for 50 laps.

ze_shotstopper | Thunder

9 | 12 hours ago

I’ve seen several spurs fans argue that his metrics would continue to go up if he played even more and others agree. Wemby is an incredible player who is breaking the sport in many ways but he is not immune from this truth.

Ambitious-Visual207 | Pistons

4 | 11 hours ago

People love to assume that production just scales equally with minutes.

ColdCocking | Hornets

0 | 10 hours ago

Anyone arguing that isn’t doing so with any sort of logic or reality. You would basically be saying that he somehow is going to play even better when he’s the most tired. So in that extra 5 minutes or whatever he somehow going to play better than when he’s fresh??

thatsinsaneletstryit | 76ers

1 | 12 hours ago

so he’s 2 more minutes a game from actually just being a role player

averagejoeag | Spurs

-4 | 12 hours ago

I see we’re just making shit up now.

ffinstructor

0 | 13 hours ago

Yes, no question bc he would have been more injured and definitely missed the game requirement

averagejoeag | Spurs

-5 | 12 hours ago

Oh, so now we’re just throwing out assumptions and calling them fact. Got it.

thejuan | Spurs

11 | 12 hours ago

To be fair you did the same

averagejoeag | Spurs

1 | 12 hours ago

No. Per ³⁶⁄₄₀ minutes and per 100 possession stats are pretty commonly used projection stats. Assuming someone will be injured if they play more is “skinny guy will get injured” message board dreams.

Wemby has had one calf strain and a bruised rib. There isn’t even a history of injury that the assumption can be based on.

OK_HS_Coach | Thunder

5 | 12 hours ago

Didn’t you just make an assumption that if Wemby played 33 mpg he’d be the undisputed MVP?

averagejoeag | Spurs

0 | 11 hours ago

Using protection stats and assuming injury are not the same.

-Tazriel | Nuggets

3 | 12 hours ago

It’s like raaaAAaaiinn on your wedding day

Contrary to popular belief, sitting 4th quarters is not why Wemby’s minutes are low. Total 4th quarters minutes: 1. Wemby - 422, 2. Jokic - 375, 3. Shai - 287