Gtggtggtg | Lakers

495 | 7 hours ago

After all , it is called POINT guard

Rahnamatta | Heat

158 | 7 hours ago

So, shooting guard is just a dude that attempts a lot

unwisest_sage | Magic

78 | 7 hours ago

Naw shooting guard is a position only held by Gilbert arenas

AdministrativeDig845

37 | 7 hours ago

And Ja

creditspread | United States

9 | 6 hours ago

And Javaris Crittenton.

LeDrags

6 | 7 hours ago

Temetrius’s parents have a real good marriage

Knapss | Spain

2 | 3 hours ago

That’s Temetrius Jamel Morant to you, thank you very much 😤

LeDrags

2 | an hour ago

Ain’t no such thing as half-way crooks

celtic_sea_salt | Celtics

4 | 7 hours ago

Naw, NAW is a shooting guard too.

suckm640

1 | 7 hours ago

and javaris crittenton

RemyGee | Lakers

1 | 6 hours ago

Washington Bullets legend Gilbert Arenas.

NjallTheViking | Mavericks

2 | 7 hours ago

Kobe

joemeat | SAS

5 | 7 hours ago

Bufkin?

Ibaka_flocka | OKC

15 | 5 hours ago

I’ve noticed these small forwards haven’t been so small this whole time either

nicehax_

2 | 4 hours ago

They should really be called medium forwards because they’re larger than most guards

morning_thief | Spurs

3 | 6 hours ago

Being Filipino, we jokingly call the Points Guard.

Oaty_McOatface | Cavaliers Bandwagon

1 | 3 hours ago

Singular?

IntelligentAd5460 | Grizzlies

325 | 7 hours ago

you know it will always be kinda weird that luka is listed as a point guard but harden was listed at shooting guard

TreeLankaPresidente | Lakers

175 | 7 hours ago

At this point, wtf is a point guard?

Severe-Chocolate5491

109 | 7 hours ago

Anyone who brings up the ball constantly

anonymousetache

60 | 7 hours ago

My wife would call me a point guard

No_Fairweathers | 76ers

2 | 3 hours ago

Yeah sorry she only plays point guard for the rest of us

CloneArranger | Supersonics

3 | 6 hours ago

Like Cinderella

MumrikDK

6 | 6 hours ago

It’s something we had back when I was a kid, son.

OpportunitySmalls

75 | 7 hours ago

People aren’t ready to have the conversation about where Harden ranks at the 1 because he wasn’t a 2 really for over a decade now, even on the Nets he definitely was the 1 while Kyrie was the 2.

2fly5 | Thunder

18 | 6 hours ago

Would he not rank higher as a SG than PG?

Ok_Hornet_714

18 | 5 hours ago

He probably ends up about the same rank for either SG/PG:

For SG, he would probably be somewhere between 3-5. Behind MJ and Kobe, and up there with Jerry West and D-Wade

For PG, he would be behind Curry and Magic for sure, and probably behind Oscar Robertson, but up there with Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Nash, etc.

free_reezy | Rockets

21 | 5 hours ago

Top ten undisputed at two positions is fucking insane.

ImAShaaaark | Supersonics

18 | 5 hours ago

I agree, but there is a lot of overlap between the two. West was a combo guard, Curry is a “PG” because he generally plays with taller guards not because he’s a natural PG.

FastBreakPhenom | Celtics

11 | 7 hours ago

Harden was playing SG/combo guard up until CP3 left in 2019. And then his prime ended with the hamstring injury in 2021. So there were only 2 years of his prime where he played point full time

OpportunitySmalls

12 | 7 hours ago

I’d argue that the Pat Bev years are more representative of his time on the Rockets than the CP3 years, even then CP missed like half a season those 2 years each.

livefreeordont | 76ers

1 | 5 hours ago

And Pat Bev was playing the same role Marcus Smart is playing now. Guarding the tough assignments and letting Harden do all the point guard duties

Polar_Reflection | Lakers

3 | 7 hours ago

He didn’t play the 1 with CP3. At least not full time

sunpar1 | Nets

12 | 6 hours ago

Tbh, him playing the 1 part of the time with CP3 on the roster is a testament to how much of a point guard he really is

KeyTheZebra

42 | 7 hours ago

I think it’s because harden came in as a shooting guard, and evolved the position and helped heliocentric players exist. Him and LeBron really helped the 2010s explode with “point-position” players.

Luka stands on the shoulders of harden in that regard.

KWash0222 | Lakers

17 | 7 hours ago

The Hedo Turkoglu erasure

at1445 | Mavericks

8 | 3 hours ago

Pippen was called a point-forward decades prior. Magic was a Point Center (Not really, but he was absolutely a Point forward, not a PG).

The “Point-position” long predates anyone that’s playing the game right now.

KeyTheZebra

1 | 3 hours ago

Naw I know that, but I’m saying harden took the “one man army” heliocentric route with that. Everyone else before him ran the offense but generally was never the biggest scorer on the team.

Harden added the “I’m the best scorer and run the offense” which is exactly How Luka plays.

babysamissimasybab | Pacers

13 | 7 hours ago

Seriously, they’re so damn similar.

MambaSaidKnockYouOut

8 | 7 hours ago

Harden began his career as a shooting guard and I think that’s why the label stuck with him, even as his role changed/evolved. He also tended to play alongside other PG’s, even if those PG’s (Pat Beverly) tended to be more limited.

There’s also the fact that he played with Chris Paul for two years, who’s obviously a PG. The first year he averaged 36 points, CP3 averaged more assists than him and Harden took 24 shots a game, he was damn sure a SHOOTING guard that year - in spite of his playmaking.

I realize this applies to Luka as well, but I think the fact that he began his career labeled as a PG is why people still call him one.

Really, I think Harden and Luka are an example of why calling someone a PG today is very nebulous. There are so many players who have the ball in their hands a ton and rack up a lot of assists, but they also shoot a lot. The rise in heliocentric players has really blurred the line between positions.

KWash0222 | Lakers

10 | 7 hours ago

I do think it really was a matter of the SG tag “sticking” with him, as you said. His rockets days looked almost identical to Luka’s game.

nbaistheworst

1 | 3 hours ago

In his MVP season he won the scoring title and had more apg than CP3

Ok-Street-2473

2 | 7 hours ago

Harden played with CP3 then Russ in his best years

samhit_n | Lakers

2 | 7 hours ago

That’s because Harden had Beverly and later CP3 during his prime in Houston.

Oceanbreeze871 | Celtics

1 | 7 hours ago

I actually didn’t know he’s listed ad a PG. I always assumed SG or SF.

Diorkingreturnss

1 | 7 hours ago

Harden started as SG in okc

maverick1470 | DAL

70 | 7 hours ago

What does SGA sitting out have to do with it? He couldn’t make up 2.5ppg regardless

dvasquez93 | Warriors

73 | 7 hours ago

Hey you never know. 173 points is hard, but not completely impossible. Just takes one ref having the game of his life.

dbzmah | Mavericks

13 | 6 hours ago

Woah, SGA ain’t Bam.

Gtggtggtg | Lakers

17 | 7 hours ago

Yeah since it’s on average, it was already out of reach realistically. (But by total points he was only 26 away). That’s said - it was theoretically possible.

Flashy_Leave7069

59 | 7 hours ago

Harden is not in his club?

BankaiBroke | China

89 | 7 hours ago

He’s listed as a shooting guard for the years he won the awards

Flashy_Leave7069

9 | 7 hours ago

Got it, thanks

nbaistheworst

2 | 4 hours ago

2019 disagrees

No_Fairweathers | 76ers

2 | 3 hours ago

Honestly positions don’t really much difference anymore besides G/F/C. And Forwards and even some Centers can still be ball dominant that kinda runs the point on offense. The only position is where you’re guarding on defense or if you’re trying to get in the post on offense.

Instantcoffees | Warriors

1 | 16 minutes ago

You are right to say that the difference is mostly between Guards, Forwards and Centers though, but I do think that players like Luka and Harden are still clearly PGs, while someone like SGA is more of a mix of PG and SG.

The way Luka and Harden play is still very much like a traditional PG. The way that they run the offense, bring up the ball and get other players moving is very typical for that position.

Ok_Hornet_714

17 | 7 hours ago

If you look at his profile in BBRef, Harden is listed as a PG for only one year he led the league in scoring

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me why his position switches so much between SG and PG during his Houston run.

DreadWolf3 | Timberwolves

4 | 5 hours ago

D’Antoni comes in 2016 and “moves” him to PG (he was always PG but it was never official), so he was SG before that. They trade for CP3 so Harden is back to SG, officially. Season after that they figure out he very much is still a PG, so they list him as such. Then they trade for Russ and they figure he cant be PG along Russ for whatever reason.

That would be my best explanation.

IntelligentAd5460 | Grizzlies

11 | 7 hours ago

was listed at shooting guard during his Houston years while luka only was for his rookie season

Diferia | Suns

2 | 7 hours ago

sg

Flashy_Leave7069

3 | 7 hours ago

Ahh ok

Old_Supermarket_7575 | Thunder

59 | 7 hours ago

Shoutout Russ

OKC2023champs | Thunder

38 | 7 hours ago

Generational offensive talent. Hope he comes back fast

No-Signature8815

5 | 7 hours ago

Good man

jakekerr | Lakers

3 | 6 hours ago

I want him to play one of the other two generational offensive talents.

MambaSaidKnockYouOut

11 | 7 hours ago

I always forget Russ was the leading scorer in 2015. He had some amazing games that year.

livefreeordont | 76ers

9 | 5 hours ago

Funny that Luka is considered a point guard but not Harden. They play the exact same way

WhyNotMosley

2 | 4 hours ago

shhh

nbaistheworst

1 | 4 hours ago

Harden is listed as a PG for the Rockets in several of his seasons.

halfbrit08 | Mavericks

1 | 3 hours ago

“ They play the exact same way”

Fatly

OSheaZone

9 | 7 hours ago

What he’s been doing is honestly crazy. Harden level production but levels up in the playoffs

Horror_Response_1991 | Magic

1 | 5 hours ago

Excited to see him level up, who are the Lakers playing first round?

innisfree50 | Warriors

7 | 7 hours ago

Wtf is a point guard anyway

throwawaymycareer93 | Warriors

1 | 6 hours ago

A guard that scores points.

ben10toesdown | Pistons

7 | 7 hours ago

Iverson?

hadbetterdaysbefore

3 | 6 hours ago

My thought as well, he was listed as a SG and a PG depending on season.

samhit_n | Lakers

6 | 7 hours ago

I will never fall for the “Luka isn’t top-3 in the NBA”propaganda.

Spemanz92 | Thunder

3 | 6 hours ago

Its not propaganda when you have SGA, Jokic, Giannis and Wemby in the same league. I only have 2 two first as clear cut better than luka, but healthy giannis has a case and I think wemby will surpass luka next season

David_Wilmot | Lakers

0 | 5 hours ago

Luka needs to raise his floor to be top 3
his ceilling is insane

Spemanz92 | Thunder

1 | an hour ago

Very true. That is his main issue.

Quick-Quail-1683

0 | 3 hours ago

I’m unwilling to say SGA is better than Luka, a much more efficient and consistent player, sure. A large part of that is because he has the best supporting cast in the NBA. But when Luka is at his best(which isn’t that rare honestly) he’s able to do things on the court that SGA can’t match.

kash96 | NBA

5 | 6 hours ago

65 games doesn’t apply to the scoring title?

bdogwyatt | Celtics

5 | 4 hours ago

It does, but if a player is short on games played then they treat them as if he played and scored 0. He ends up with 33ppg (²¹⁴³⁄₆₅), so he still wins

bdogwyatt | Celtics

2 | 4 hours ago

Wemby was the BPG leader last year for the same reason; 176 blocks in 46 games (3.8BPG), but 176 blocks in 65 games (2.7BPG) was still enough to win

kash96 | NBA

2 | 4 hours ago

gotcha ty

mapletree23

5 | 7 hours ago

point guards these days control the play but also shoot 20+ times anyway

makes no sense how luka wouldn’t be considerd a SG himself giveen that he shoots 25+ times a game

at this point i think you just have to label them all as guards and lose the shooting and point part

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

4 | 5 hours ago

He’s likely to do it again next year too. Luka is a walking bucket.

heat_fan_ | Raptors

2 | 7 hours ago

Surprised Harden isn’t here

pastanutzo

3 | 7 hours ago

He’s not a point guard

lethalfrost

2 | 6 hours ago

Only one without an mvp.

nbaistheworst

2 | 4 hours ago

Weill, Jordan won the scoring title in 1989 at 32.5 ppg, with 8 rpg and 8 apg. Seems like he played PG that season. Also, Harden was a PG for Houston when he won the scoring title in 2019

Ozymandias_1303 | Knicks

2 | 4 hours ago

I think this will be more and more common since PG has become more of a score-first position.

Eur0stept | Lakers

1 | 7 hours ago

Please come back for the playoffs and kill the timber puppies 🙏

Worried-Ad-5443

1 | 7 hours ago

Harden?

Mirizzi | Timberwolves

1 | 7 hours ago

Didn’t Harden win 3 in a row?

SabraShifter

1 | 7 hours ago

You know I never understood why this was average point and not total points

Jtphwow

1 | 7 hours ago

Thank God SGA is sitting out, I was really worried he’d catch Luka.

Signiference | Thunder

1 | 6 hours ago

I didn’t know SGA had a shot at it this year. How many pts would he have needed?

EliteFactor

1 | 6 hours ago

And???

mucho-gusto | CLE

1 | 6 hours ago

Crazy they are all active at the same time

OtherwisePollution96

1 | 5 hours ago

didint he last year, but cause he didint hit the 65 game SGA won? he didint make the 65 game this year I thought SGA won again.

olduser201890 | Mavericks

1 | 4 hours ago

And it’s bullshit that he doesn’t have three

he played 5 minutes one game and averaged 0, which put him behind embiid for the year. if he just sat out and didn’t play he woudl have won.

Impossible-Group8553

0 | 6 hours ago

Scoring title is overrated, it’s all based on timing. Dame Lillard averaged 32.2ppg before which is more points than Westbrook and Steph ever had and doesn’t have one scoring title let alone multiple.

theonlyobjectiveman

0 | 7 hours ago

My 2 favorite Stat Padders, Luka and Russ

David_Wilmot | Lakers

1 | 5 hours ago

luka cant stat pad for shit lol

theonlyobjectiveman

1 | 5 hours ago

He’s biggest stat padder there is. I seen him drop 38 15 15 and play the worst game I’ve ever seen. His stats like don’t mean anything

Western-Election-997 | Lakers

-6 | 7 hours ago

Is this another ai post? Didnt matter if he sat out or not he wasn’t catching Luka

Apprehensive-Rain601 | Lakers

3 | 7 hours ago

By total points I’m guessing not ppg

Luka Doncic joins Russell Westbrook and Stephen Curry as the only point guards to ever win multiple scoring titles