I mean, if he’s that good it might be partially his fault. Bird and Russell instantly made their teams championship contenders.

We have jokic at home. Kinda anyway

tired narrative. He definitely had the team to beat the Wolves when they choked game 7 and gave up 20 pts but ppl don’t want to blame Jokic for letting his team down. if he’s the “goatpeak” and in top 5 talks according to his fans he should definitely be able to do better in the postseason

Or maybe his stats just don’t elevate his teammates as much as they would suggest. Afterall, just look how Murray played without Jokic.

He’s won 50 games just 4 times. He’s been the underdog more than the favorite. It’s not as impressive and you think without context.

Honestly, elite hatred. I gotta respect how backhanded the compliment was lol

So tell us why lebron had less wins than rose while lebrin had a better cast than rose

conveniently left out the rebound numbers for Rose lol

He was the only one generating offense for that team. He definitely deserved mvp

Congratulations, you can look up box scores.

Rose was dominant that year - it was a bit like AI in 2001, with a great defense and a star who could propel the whole offense

They can’t handle the fact that LeBron was no match for JJ Barea so they make up stories about how he was always a postseason underperformer

It’s true that this was the perception of him. Whether or not it was deserved is another debate. But 100% he was known as a playoff choker and underperformer, basically until his second Cleveland stint.

And that definitely impacted the MVP discourse.

It was a major narrative at the time. There were common jokes that were like “if you asked Lebron for a dollar he’d only give you 75 cents because he doesn’t have the 4th quarter.”

Whether it was a fair narrative or not is another debate but it was definitely a thing that some of the MVP voters believed.

yeahh his 25 straight against the pistons should have expelled him from all choker discussions forever lol

The funniest this was he was only like 25 when he left Cleveland

Nowadays we don’t even judge players careers until they get a bit older

That’s nice my friend

On great efficiency top 7 last I looked

I’d still have SGA for MVP, leading your team to wins matters and it is hard to be valuable while cheering and in street clothes and Jokic got hurt.

But the fact that he is leading the league in both rebounds and assists for the first time in history, and it won’t be controversial when SGA wins. Is historically stunning.

And I would maintain, that league leaders should be based on totals!

Nuggets went 11-6 without Jokic.

Again it’s a double standard.

People have spent 2 seasons telling us how good the Thunder are without Shai, yet THIS year when the Nuggets won without Jokic those same people went quiet or made excuses about the schedule.

We either factor in both or we don’t factor in either 

But continuing to cite the Thunder record without Shai as an argument FOR Jokic no longer works when we saw the Nuggets win consistently without Jokic during this same regular season.   No context was ever added to the Thunder winning without Shai stats, it was simply a stat of their record without him.

I’m doing the same thing to Jokic. So clearly the Nuggets won without him as well.

So next issue 

“very little” the guy who’s basically the whole offense for them? Yeah you don’t watch ball

Coming in second doesn’t always mean you should have / could have won

Thats exactly why I said if mvp was just about triple doubles and the best numbers and not translating to winning he should have more and now the jokic fans got their panties in a bunch like always

I’d happily argue, and be right, that LeBron max deserves one more mvp. He made a career of semi-coasting through regular seasons to make sure he was ready to go come the playoffs. It led to lesser finishes in the east than he should have had, honestly. Add to that KD def deserved his, Steph 100% deserved his, Harden and Giannis deserved there’s. After that he was no longer in the running.

The only one he didn’t get that I’d argue he could have was Rose’s, but that’s really not that egregious.

Thats exactly why I said if mvp was just about triple doubles and the best numbers and not translating to winning he should have more and now the jokic fans got their panties in a bunch like always I guess reading comprehension isnt a big thing in denver huh?

Don’t switch up. If you’re going to hate and not enjoy him, then do it.

I’m saying I’ve seen way better, more intelligent, and more funny hate than that. You just wrote out the common narratives. Weak as hell