UnusualTarget7661

114 | 3 hours ago

I dont know if theres been a player since bron that has had as high of expections. Just to then crush them all

iXeons

57 | 3 hours ago

Not just crush them… but like skip the years 3-6 development and is now a top 6 player wtf

DrMarvMonror

31 | 3 hours ago

Statistically he’s Top 3

ComfortableChip8242

15 | 2 hours ago

Honestly think I’d already put him at #3. I think we’re looking at a guy who is going to go down as the greatest defensive player post-Russell, who can also give you 25+ points a night on strong efficiency. And he just turned 22 years old.

redbear_d

11 | 2 hours ago

Jokic and Doncic are my favourite players in the league and I’d already put Wemby on #1. His two-way impact is just outrageous. The only question for me is if he can stay healthy.

dandatu

4 | an hour ago

I’d still rather take both jokic and Luka over him. Even SGA. They all play alot more minutes than he does.

AGUEROO0OO

3 | an hour ago

That’s still Wemby at year 22.

dandatu

3 | an hour ago

I mean yeah but his statement was Wemby is 1 already. I don’t think so yet. Will Wemby be the best? Probably. Maybe even next year.

AGUEROO0OO

3 | an hour ago

Yeah i’ll take Jokic over him right now without a second thought

Fidel_Cashflows | Spurs

2 | 39 minutes ago

Russell’s defense can’t be contextualized because of the era and lack of footage/stat tracking, so I’d hesitate to make a comparison.

Compared to modern-ish peers like Hakeem, Duncan, Ben Wallace, Dwight, and Gobert, Wemby is at the least their equal if not better. He stresses offenses to the same degree that Shaq stressed defenses. Completely changing the way a team approaches games when he’s on the floor.

SenorConstipation | Grizzlies

3 | 3 hours ago

It really is Jokic, Shai, Luka, Wemby, and Giannis at the top tier, and then a sizeable gap to that next level.

TrainedExplains | Warriors

18 | 3 hours ago

Giannis is not having that kind of season. His defense was much weaker, his stats all dropped, and he only played 36 games. We’ll see if he can get back to 2025 form. Nobody wants to hear it, but Giannis may start to fall off here with age and injuries as a player very largely dependent on his athleticism.

SenorConstipation | Grizzlies

6 | 2 hours ago

This season he’s not motivated because he on an aging team with no ambition. Giannis on a contender is still a top tier guy.

TrainedExplains | Warriors

3 | an hour ago

Is he? He’s had some pretty rough injuries, he’s on the wrong side of 30, and his game is dependent on physicality. You’re 100% right he’s not motivated, that much is obvious no matter what is happening in his little Cold War with Bucks management. And that may affect his defensive effort, but he still wanted his stats.

I’m not rooting on his downfall or anything. I actually love watching him bulldoze people like a faster Shaq in a smaller NBA. It’s just hard to assume he’ll get back to an MVP level at 32 years old after his second left knee hyper extension. And the bone bruise is also not a great sign. You recover fully from those things, but those contact injuries heal slower in your 30’s. I think he would need to change his playstyle to get back to that level of impact. Get serious about setting screens and become a real off ball threat.

DrMarvMonror

4 | 3 hours ago

Giannis is fading. I think he’ll go down a path similar to Embiid after 2024 with all the injuries he’s suffering

Maverick_1991 | Hawks

3 | 3 hours ago

Top6 and hes not #6, #5 and probably #4.

namastex | 24

-20 | 3 hours ago

4 chips, 1 in the bubble (even the 1B said he was doubting the authenticity of it at some point) and 2 on super teams. The one in Cleveland was easily one of the most controversial series of all time. Really crushed them huh.

Wemby is going to easily win more chips than Lebron in his career. This talk about parity is going to fade real quick. MVP voting fatigue talk is going to die real quick too. Ring culture is going to be at its loudest and something about winning too many MVPs in a watered down league is going to make a new movement. Wemby is going to do so much winning if healthy people are going to find ways to talk bad about the rest of the league to make Wemby look worse. Lebrons influence thru Klutch PR team has too much of a strangle hold on this fan base it’s actually insane.

penis_hernandez | Timberwolves

13 | 3 hours ago

Time for your meds

Prudent_Fish1358 | Spurs

3 | an hour ago

Yeah even if I fully believe in Wemby and his ability to one day get into GOAT discussions, forecasting 4+ titles is just crazy. I HOPE I look back at this comment with some naivety, but it is an incredibly tall mountain to climb in an increasingly spread out field as more teams can’t afford to keep stars around.

Relatively_Cool | Lakers

3 | an hour ago

I’m surprised that got downvoted. I have seen highly upvoted comments on this sub where people are victory lapping Wemby winning multiple chips despite not winning one playoff series yet.

Prudent_Fish1358 | Spurs

2 | an hour ago

Hot takes rule sports man. Because people who want to buy into hype will upvote them, and people who think/know it’s at least a statement that verges on the edge of realism will engage with it like, uh, penis and I did. I wish I knew the solution to it.

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

48 | 3 hours ago

BPM is a pretty flawed “all-in-one” stat.

Which is fine because Wemby still crushes in DPM / EPM / LEBRON

Parallel-Quality

17 | 3 hours ago

I don’t get why people keep using Net Rating and BPM, which are extremely flawed ways to display individual player performance.

EPM, DPM and LEBRON are way better.

And Wemby literally leads in LEBRON…

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

7 | 2 hours ago

Me when i click the link to see 5 jokic seasons in the top 6

Yeah man jokic had 5 seasons better than peak MJ. Totally. Great stat lol

Spemanz92 | Thunder

7 | 2 hours ago

Jokic has like 4 out of the top 15 defensive seasons according to bpm.

This season he is basically tied with wemby on defense according to bpm.

Westbrook had the best season in history in ¹⁶⁄₁₇ according to bpm. He broke the formula so bad, bbref had to tweak the formula.

A jokic assist counts double of a cade assist. Why? Because he is a center.

Too many funny things related with BPM

Ok-Street-2473

4 | 2 hours ago

LEBRON is the worst of the RAPM-based advanced stats. Emphasizes rebounds too much and bad at measuring offensive impact.

EPM, DPM, LAKER, and pure RAPM are all better. EPM is the best

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

2 | an hour ago

I’m talking about bpm

Anecdotally i’ve liked LEBRON for defense but not offense. EPM offense + LEBRON defense match my eye test best.

Coldsnowyandmisty

-1 | 2 hours ago

Being arguably the best scorer, passer and rebounder in the game has never been seen before.

Hellschampion | Warriors [GSW] #1 Warriors Bandwagon

5 | 2 hours ago

He just isn’t “arguably” the best for two of those three though lol

Coldsnowyandmisty

-1 | an hour ago

He has a strong argument for best scorer and passer in history too. There probably are a couple of better rebounders though. But he’s definitely up there too historically.

Hellschampion | Warriors [GSW] #1 Warriors Bandwagon

2 | an hour ago

Oh I was disagreeing the other way but go off haha. He is the best passer in the league, he isn’t the best rebounder or scorer is what I was saying

Edit: also best scorer in history is just a crazy crazy stretch to me

Coldsnowyandmisty

0 | an hour ago

What’s so crazy? He’s incredibly efficient with a diverse shot diet. Incredibly reliable in the clutch too.

So many high PPG players have a big drop off in clutch time due to pressure factors. Same against great defenses.

Jokic is Jokic in every situation. And he does it without a friendly whistle. Which is extremely impressive.

A friendly whistle is like another player on the court.

Ok-Street-2473

3 | 2 hours ago

There is zero argument for Jokic as a better scorer than Shai. Same efficiency, Shai scores more with less turnovers, plays better against top teams, and is better in the playoffs.

Coldsnowyandmisty

-2 | an hour ago

Only thing Shai is better at is getting free throws on soft calls.

Jokic is considerably better vs top teams. Shai famously drops off against physical defenses and was considerably worse in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.

Shai is nice though. He definitely has an argument too. The whistle can’t be ignored.

ScionAurelius | Thunder

3 | an hour ago

Jokic has not been better vs top teams than Shai, and has had pretty massive drop offs in his efficiency and assist numbers against the two best teams he’s played in the playoffs; the Thunder last year and the Timberwolves before.

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

2 | 2 hours ago

Completely. And going further, even the best “all-in-one stats” aren’t amazing, there’s a reason basketball analytics has moved beyond that

People just want evidence that their favourite player is the best, and it’s not like you can start a thread like “Wemby dude, what a fun player to watch”

OraDude

1 | 24 minutes ago

I dunno, beats per minute is pretty standard

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

1 | 19 minutes ago

Maybe among you nephews.

True Uncs know there largos from their allegros, their allegrettos from their prestos.

Take that beats per minute shit with you to tiktok

OraDude

1 | 15 minutes ago

“take this accelerando youngblood”

tcm96 | Bobcats

41 | 3 hours ago

he’s absolutely insane i’m pissed the spurs got him but nothing bad to say about wemby, and he loves ball

the_irish_potatoes | Warriors

13 | 2 hours ago

on the one hand, same. feels like they just got insane lotto odds recently.

on the other, as a general basketball fan, there may not have been a better team in the NBA for him to go to for maxing out his skillset and career, with pop and the spur culture.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

-2 | 2 hours ago

Yeah im glad tatum ended up in boston too where he could learn from red auerbach

Leafman1996 | Spurs

1 | 12 minutes ago

Don’t get it twisted, Pop is still around. And he will be with the Spurs until he’s dead

soycameron | Trail Blazers

10 | 3 hours ago

Im so happy we are getting Wemby on a real contending team this early into his career. We can witness some real greatness here.

Scoobersteve321 | James Harden

6 | 3 hours ago

Future goat

Spemanz92 | Thunder

4 | 2 hours ago

Wemby is absurd and his metrics are insane, regardless of age.

But please stop using BPM, that thing is horrendous.

wonder2848

2 | 3 hours ago

He’s getting better and make more progress each year.

vapemyashes | Timberwolves

2 | 3 hours ago

Well well well looks like Jordan is the goat after all

Wentzina_lifetime

0 | 2 hours ago

Did you look at the stats. MJ was 21 when drafted whilst LeBron was 18. LeBron at 21 averaged 36/8/6 in his first playoff series. Obviously MJ will get these stats as he was 24 in his third season whilst LeBron was 21. By 24 LeBron led a cavs team to 66 wins and got MVP and came 2nd in dpoy

DrMarvMonror

6 | 2 hours ago

At 24, MJ also won MVP while actually winning DPOY

Wentzina_lifetime

0 | 2 hours ago

87 MVP was Magic and the bulls won 40 games

DrMarvMonror

3 | 2 hours ago

1988 was MJs Age 24 season. Let’s not get nitpicky with the birthdays

Wentzina_lifetime

0 | 2 hours ago

When he was 25 he won MVP. When he was 24 he came 2nd on a 40 win team

vapemyashes | Timberwolves

3 | 2 hours ago

Maybe that’s why Jordan ended up being better cuz he played some college (national champ too lol)

Wentzina_lifetime

0 | 2 hours ago

Who was the best player on his national championship team? Wasn’t MJ for sure. He was the 3rd best player on that team.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

-2 | 2 hours ago

Jorbum got carried in college

RealPrinceJay |

2 | an hour ago

BPM is ass, even when it says the players I like are good

Please stop using it

Financial-Monk9400 | Lakers

1 | 2 hours ago

I really, really hope he can keep this up and his frame doesn’t give him to many injuries. I am a bit scared for that. If he can keep it up he legit has goat potential. Coming from a laker fan

thatonesleft | San Diego Clippers

1 | an hour ago

Hes leading in beats per minute too?? What cant this dude do?

[deleted]

-4 | 3 hours ago

[deleted]

Practical-Art5931 | Lakers

9 | 3 hours ago

Oh boi u just had to shit on luka didnt u

brnccnt7

2 | 3 hours ago

They’re talking tough while he’s overseas

Scared of Lukas fade when he’s domestic

zaddylonglegs0 | Trail Blazers

4 | 3 hours ago

sybau

Kvsav57

-3 | 3 hours ago

He’s not better than Luka. He’s incredible on defense. His offense is very limited. They let him not develop his post game and shoot way too many threes the first couple of years.

Wemby is currently having the 27th best BPM season ever. He’s the youngest player in the top 30 and only one of two to do so within their first three seasons, Jordan is the other.