EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

517 | 4 hours ago

He almost even hit Gobert’s +16.6 in 2021. Fell just shy though

Geralt0908 | Heat

348 | 4 hours ago

I can’t imagine why this didn’t come up in the original post

Ready_Preparation816

22 | 4 hours ago

Probably because gobert isn’t a first option

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

166 | 4 hours ago

What matters is if he was the best/most impactful player, not whether he’s the first option.

Ready_Preparation816

-76 | 3 hours ago

But no one is looking at gobert as the player who is leading the team to success.

LordBaneoftheSith

88 | 3 hours ago

Well then they should have been

Geralt0908 | Heat

-35 | 3 hours ago

All those years, Donovan Mitchell should have been DHO’ing for Rudy..

LordBaneoftheSith

37 | 3 hours ago

I wasn’t aware receiving a handoff was the only path to impacting a game

Geralt0908 | Heat

30 | 3 hours ago

I think you may have missed the general “certain statistics don’t tell the full story” concept of my comment, so I’ll comment the “certain statistics don’t tell the full story” part of it for you.

Ready_Preparation816

-22 | 3 hours ago

I think you’re pulling gobert out as a gotcha when he’s not the 1st option that are named.

New_Revolution_2604

25 | 3 hours ago

if a non-first option has a more “dominant” regular season then superstar first options what does that tell you about the stat

Ready_Preparation816

-10 | 3 hours ago

It’s not measuring “dominance” it’s measuring how well your team perform when you’re on the court.

You just don’t know how to use it and aren’t providing context. Gobert was the only good defender on that team and made them one of the best defenses in the league. Doesn’t mean he was better than Lebron or Kobe. Gobert wasn’t even the best player on that team.

NINERS_dynasty81

9 | 2 hours ago

Do you think current Wemby is better than prime LeBron/Shaq?

Ready_Preparation816

1 | 2 hours ago

No and that’s not even what the stat means.

New_Revolution_2604

6 | 2 hours ago

quick tell me what the title of the post is.

Ready_Preparation816

1 | 2 hours ago

Net rating doesn’t measure dominance. sorry you are so gullible

New_Revolution_2604

2 | 2 hours ago

I think you are confused, I said dominamce bc I disagree with the post, and I showed gobert as an example as why you can use the stat like that

ChewsWisely | Spurs

0 | 2 hours ago

lol

bigger_breakfast

1 | an hour ago

Perhaps you should be directing that to the OP as well

Aggressive_Bed6012

-108 | 4 hours ago

Because gobert was a single season wonder who had MVP caliber impact for that season and then never repeated that level ever again. I somehow doubt that Wemby will never reach this level again from ages 23-30

Gobert leading an absurd net rating that year does not devalue the overall measure. I know nuance is hard tho and it’s easier to be snarky and say ‘hah, look someone who I don’t think is very good did well, this must be meaningless!’

Schmoova | Mikal Bridges

65 | 3 hours ago

Well including the context is the bare minimum you could’ve done, and let people parse it for themselves.

But you purposely excluded it because it diminishes your narrative lol.

Aggressive_Bed6012

-42 | 3 hours ago

Brother, what are you talking about.

I was comparing Wemby to people who are considered some of the best nba players of all time. That’s why I mentioned those players

fisheggsoup | Jazz

42 | 3 hours ago

No, you left it out because it devalued your point and we can simply see through it, despite your own snarky response.

Aggressive_Bed6012

-32 | 3 hours ago

Tell me what it devalues. I’d love to see this argument

chef_iblocka | Thunder

98 | 4 hours ago

This speaks more to how underrated Gobert is

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

60 | 4 hours ago

His 2021 season was peak for analytics people trying to convince others on how good he was.

Which is why the Terance Mann explosion in the playoffs prompted such a proportional reaction in the other direction. The “lmao this the guy who yall said had borderline mvp impact numbers?”

I think it was a bit unfair though, that Jazz team’s defensive supporting cast was doodoo.

chef_iblocka | Thunder

59 | 4 hours ago

Jokic has made it past the second round a mere two times in his 11 year career. Giannis has made it past the second round twice in his 11 year career and has not won a playoff series in 4 years.

Basketball is a team sport.

Striking_Food5273

8 | 3 hours ago

Interesting to see a someone who has been flexing chet’s ring and team accomplishlents over wemby say this.

National-Ocelot-3900

14 | 3 hours ago

Imagine stalking someone’s profile not just for a “heh, gotcha!”, but for a weak and inane “heh, gotcha!” with questionable relation to the topic

mioraka | Raptors

4 | 37 minutes ago

And it’s more of a team sport than ever before.

Much higher variance when your role players averaging 9pts a game can randomly hit 7 threes on any given night.

On top of that, regular season and playoffs performances have a much bigger gap compared to before, with most stars only playing 65ish games, and 6 tanking teams just pumping wins into the league.

Not to say Wemby, Gobert and Jokic aren’t impressive. They are, just playing in a different league compared to 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

Existing_Poem_7858

-6 | 3 hours ago

That’s such a cherry picking. Jokic only lost once in the first round. And that’s because of the heavily injured roster. Jokic played without All-Star players for 10 years. 4-5 years with freaking Barton at 3 and washed Millsap at 4. Denver didn’t play like OKC to collect picks, they played competitively every year. Denver hasn’t had a top 10 draft pick in 10 years. OKC played deliberately to collect picks, while Denver played ethically and with bad management around bringing in players. Jokic came to the league in 2015 when the era of the best team of all time began and when LeBron was still in his prime. Not to mention that 2020 were stolen from the refs in the bubble.

BailysmmmCreamy | Heat

5 | 2 hours ago

Tell me this is copypasta

Leslurkin69420

1 | 2 hours ago

They also had to stop playing Gobert in the olympics

Sharp-Selection-3541

17 | 3 hours ago

Speaks to how overrated a stupid ass team stat +/- is

It has its uses but the conclusions people come to based off +/- are almost always terrible

Nykmarc | Knicks

1 | 3 hours ago

Well, you have to view it in context with other people’s…

Sharp-Selection-3541

8 | 2 hours ago

The context is that people like Lamelo Ball and Duncan Robinson are in the top 10 for +/- so the stat more or less means nothing to me when comparing it to others.

The metric itself just has so many variables in a 5v5 game I dont understand how people find actual meaning in it outside of If a lineup has a specific trend

CrissCrossAppleSos | Spurs

16 | 4 hours ago

To be fair though, Gobert’s on-offs were better

g_bleezy | Nuggets

9 | 4 hours ago

“It’s just a signal bro”

Candid-Boss6534 | POR

2 | 2 hours ago

if 2021 Rudy Gobert was that good, how good was his father 2021 Terrance Mann?

moon_dos | Puerto Rico

2 | 4 hours ago

lol

RipCity-NBA-LoL | Trail Blazers

216 | 4 hours ago

He’s just lucky the league leader, Zach Edey, went down so his 18.3 won’t qualify

Parallel-Quality

38 | 2 hours ago

People trying to use team stats (like net rating) to quantify individual player impact because the individual stats don’t support their narrative.

osay77 | Lakers

183 | 4 hours ago

This is super impressive but it’s also worth noting that he’s only playing 29 mpg—prime shaq, Kobe, LeBron all averaged 38+. Of course his per minute impact stats are going to be better.

drpepper7557 | Heat

77 | 3 hours ago

Yeah imagine Lakers Shaq only having to play 28 minutes a game. Never having to take a play off, getting all that rest, so much less wear and tear over the season. He’d have broken usage records and wouldve probably been considered an elite defender.

osay77 | Lakers

57 | 3 hours ago

27 year old Shaq played 40 minutes per game at his massive size and played 79 games that season. Just not a really fair comparison here.

secretsodapop

-8 | 2 hours ago

Pace was slower though.

BigThurm | NBA

18 | 2 hours ago

True, but 40 mins is 40 mins.

drpepper7557 | Heat

11 | 2 hours ago

That’s 38% more minutes though. The Spurs pace this year is only 7% faster than the Lakers were that year (its the same even if we look at just the pace when the two were on the court).

StanVanGhandi | Magic

1 | 21 minutes ago

Are these guys seriously saying this guy’s name and Shaq’s name in the same sentence? Holy shit.

navetzz

-3 | an hour ago

Given the landslide wins the Spurs have when he plays. One could argue than playing more minutes would be stat padding.

(But yeah he’s clearly under some minutes management by the Spurs medical staff)

lukewwilson | Lakers

3 | an hour ago

He’s not playing less minutes because the Spurs are always to 30 in the fourth. He got injured this year and they have been monitoring his minutes all year, he even came off the bench for a couple weeks when he came back from injury

RecordReal123

155 | 4 hours ago

This is also one of the worst years for tanking we’ve ever seen to be fair. Like half the league is literally trying to lose

Aggressive_Bed6012

43 | 4 hours ago

You may be right, it’s also worth noting than Wemby has lead a +15 net against the non tanking, playoff teams this year

https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy/nba?0Exactly1OnFloor=1641705&TeamId=1610612759&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&Type=Team&Opponent=1610612738,1610612739,1610612743,1610612745,1610612747,1610612750,1610612752,1610612760,1610612756,1610612737,1610612766,1610612765,1610612761

Which is like an unprecedented regular season mark.

So, he’s dominated non tanking teams too

GGTae | Spurs

2 | 3 hours ago

Yeah there are some stats about him, he’s worse against tanking teams than competitive ones, minus the recent stretch it has always been the case

Mawx | Knicks

1 | an hour ago

Now do Gilbert and Edey

CubanLinxRae | ORL

5 | 4 hours ago

I feel like if the play in didn’t put more teams in playoff contention and the lottery odds weren’t flattened there would be less people tanking so hard

innisfree50 | Warriors

1 | 4 hours ago

So why hasn’t any one else been as dominant

chef_iblocka | Thunder

31 | 4 hours ago

Shai has been a +16.2 while on the court according to databallr

Dar4125 | Thunder

-2 | 3 hours ago

MVP

innisfree50 | Warriors

-4 | 3 hours ago

Nice!

captain_ahabb | Lakers

3 | 2 hours ago

We had like 4 guys with real MVP cases and that’s not even counting Cade or Jaylen Brown who might have gotten votes in a normal year.

DG_Now | SEA

2 | an hour ago

It kind of feels like outside of a game or two a week, the playoffs are becoming the real season and everything else is just preamble.

WoweeZoweeDeluxe | Spurs

1 | 8 minutes ago

And still better than the East LeBron played in for most of his career

Striking_Food5273

35 | 4 hours ago

Wemby is having a REALLY special year as a 22 year old (dare I say historic for his age?)

That being said, am I the only one thinking that, looking at the rise of teams like OKC, spurs, pistons, who still have pivotal/core players that are very young, we are kind of in a transition period and still far from seeing the best level that this era can offer?

Even outside of these teams, I just see a lot of young talent in the league (and even outside, think about how stacked next year’s draft is) that makes me believe that, in retrospect, we will think that this was not one of the hardest year to dominate in this era

jl_theprofessor | Spurs

6 | 3 hours ago

We’re in the rise of the New Kids period. The new power players are being solidified but we’re still about two years away from being in full swing.

jdb050 | Warriors

2 | an hour ago

Yes. Generationally, the dominant players out of the 2010’s up through now (Russ, Harden, PG, KD, Steph, Lebron, Kawhi, Gobert, Chris Paul, etc.) are out of the league or out of their primes… But most will probably will be out of the league by the end of this decade.

Some of them are still plenty capable of being playoff threats as long as they are surrounded by the right talent and are healthy, but we likely won’t see any crazy super teams with these guys on them.

The big monsters in Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid (while healthy) are still forces to be reckoned with, but will likely slow down come the end of the decade.

Outside of the Celtics and maybe the Nuggets for a little while longer, most championship teams/players are gonna slow down. The new blood are taking over and it will be at least two or three more years before we see their rivalries truly grow into what we got used to seeing with the Lakers/Celtics, Heat/Spurs, Warriors/Cavs, etc.

It’s an exciting time.

Mike-XL

31 | 4 hours ago

And yet, they play great without him. He’s a great player who has a great impact on the game, but he isn’t quite as great, at least not yet, as you’re making him out to be as a player.

RomuloMalkon68

16 | 3 hours ago

Not taking anything from Wemby, but this stat is really cherry picking and doesn’t show real impact in a game that is played 48 minutes not 28.

TryingSquirrel

4 | 2 hours ago

Yep, +/- when you’re on the floor partially shows how good your team is. On/off shows how they play when he’s on versus off. Wemby has a great on/off, but it isn’t even higher than Jokic’s this year, much less his highest years.

DTSFFan

32 | 3 hours ago

Sample size matters quite a bit here. The players you listed off were all getting 2,000 to 3,000 minutes a season and leading their team in minutes (meaning they were also spearheading a lot of the injured lineups, bench lineups etc.)

Wemby hasn’t even touched 1,900 and isn’t top 5 on his team in total minutes

OK_HS_Coach | Thunder

8 | 2 hours ago

Wemby should get DPOY and 6MOY!

Zestyclose-Draft-724 | Lakers

14 | 3 hours ago

The Spurs roster has been beautifully constructed by the FO. It’s truly a blessing for Wemby to have gotten drafted by the Spurs.

StudiousLebronJames

8 | 3 hours ago

more like it was planned for wemby to have gotten drafted by the spurs but yea

sentyprimus | Clippers

10 | 3 hours ago

Wallahi we need to hide stats behind pay walls

Incariol_

8 | 4 hours ago

He’s on his way

Have to remember how pace and the game constantly change - hard to compare

Also leave the therapist out of these convos please

Own-Army-4201

5 | 3 hours ago

What is this guy MITWemby?

essosinola | Raptors

4 | 2 hours ago

You know how when you’re a fan of something or someone, it can be awkward when you find out that some of their other fans are really fucking weird?

Anyway yeah, Wemby had a really good season.

AdminsHaveMicroPP

2 | 4 hours ago

And the Spurs have how many top picks with him there? And how much tanking have we seen? Wait 2 years before you crown him GOAT

fisheggsoup | Jazz

6 | 3 hours ago

Nope, given what they’ve been saying, anything other than a Spurs championship this postseason is a failure.

Beranac | Nuggets

3 | 3 hours ago

Yeah I saw how he dominated Jokic the other day.

RightRudderr | NBA

2 | 3 hours ago

Ill be bandwagoning the spurs for the playoffs for sure. Would love to see a team that young go all the way. Wemby has GOAT level potential.

DG_Now | SEA

2 | an hour ago

Half of the league wasn’t tanking during Shaq and Kobe years.

prettyflyforahentai

0 | 37 minutes ago

Same amount of bad teams.

ChrisDev22

1 | 4 hours ago

Bruh!

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1 | 4 hours ago

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g_bleezy | Nuggets

-1 | 4 hours ago

kobe didn’t take no for an answer, wemby hasn’t even been to playoffs. there are levels to this.

Low_Interaction_7831 | Lakers

0 | 2 hours ago

You wanna crown his ass then crown him.

Akipella | Warriors

1 | an hour ago

Of course the current record is 2016 Steph…

archenlander | Rockets

1 | an hour ago

Basketball is a team sport

VossC2H6O | San Francisco Warriors

1 | 33 minutes ago

Can you imagine Prime KD and Prime Wemby on the same team?

StanVanGhandi | Magic

1 | 25 minutes ago

I can’t wait until the playoffs. Everyone has these weirdo stats, guys who average ethical efficiency in months that have a waxing moon or whatever….the playoffs is where we will see who is good and who isn’t.

wocdom

1 | 14 minutes ago

What’s the teams record without him again?

Icy_Marsupial7560

-1 | 3 hours ago

he’s gonna have 3 rings or 0 rings before 30. No in-between.

Either a generational team + player. Or injuries/unfavourable playoff match ups derail team or player.

Lopsided_Mix2243 | Lakers

0 | 2 hours ago

Goat!

whatidoidobc

-5 | 4 hours ago

Slipping Kobe into that conversation as if he belongs. You guys never stop.

Due-Inevitable-6864

-6 | 4 hours ago

He’s a top ten player OAT, genius.

Batman_in_hiding | Nets

-6 | 3 hours ago

Not sure people really understand just how good wemby is and just how much better he can get.

There’s a solid chance Wemby can join LeBron and MJ in the goat debate and a non zero chance in 50 years fans treat Wemby the way we do today but to a more extreme. His accolades and team success is too comical to really take seriously.

He’s doing this at year 3 and unlike bron or wemby he’s on a team and organization that’s set up for sustained success immediately.

LakersAreForever | Lakers

5 | 3 hours ago

We all have eyes

Own-Job-8636

-8 | 4 hours ago

hes already starting his GOAT case lmfao

Full_Flatworm7977

-5 | 4 hours ago

He could average 40 if he wanted to. Man is going to rack up titles if he stays healthy

Wemby lineups this year have been more dominant than any regular season from LeBron, Shaq, Kobe, or Jokic. He is 22 years old