Bam before Bam

he wasn’t anywhere near as good before he was traded. It’s almost like playing with one of the smartest two-way floor-generals ever makes you play better

Lol better think thrice before paying teammates of HOF playmakers

LeBron just has a lot of haters.

To this date, there are people saying he has no skills lol.

Something something ball dominant something because they’ve never actually seen how various Lebron teams operate.

Cavs actually had no williams bringing up the ball and for the fraction of ganes Lebron was actually a pg the results were even better (including going 11-0 without mo williams in 2010) indicating they didn’t even maximize lebron as a playmaker (not to mention the cavs lacking a legitimate lob threat)

Jordan fans just make up excuses and hope no one will call them out

There were 8 to 9 teams in the league for most of Bill Russell’s rings man. Be for fucking real right now bro

lol it’s fine to have bron as your GOAT, it’s also fine to have Jordan as your GOAT.

Edit: 9 of his 11 rings came during time when there were 8 to 9 teams in the league. What an insanely disingenuous comparison to make

Jordan won 2 3-peats in 8 years

On a team that was a threat to 4-peat without him after replacing him with role-players and was still good after they lost their third best player (and their second best player filed a trade request) in 95.

Russell lead an 8-peat with two completely different supporting casts, one of which was generally average or bad without him, led the biggest outlier in history 4 years in a row playing 10+ minutes than everyone else on his team and then for good measure won b2b as a player coach incuding a run where he beat two teams better than anyone jordan beat with a team that was bad when he left and still worse than the 94 bulls when they replaced him with a hof center and coach.

Never compare russell-lite with the real thing again.

Sure you can argue he has a good team, but to argue that others peaked higher than him is just pure circlejerk on a LeBron thread.

No it’s just accepting reality:

Lebron needed less help to win 60 than jordan needed to win 50, beat a better version of the bad boy pistons despite his shot being off and his co-star getting injured, took a 67-win team to 6 (after stomping a 60-win team) with less help than jordan has ever played with a broke back and jumper and then beat a 73-win team with way less help than jordan has ever needed to win (literally sub-30 with kyrie and love and no lebron because their defense was awful without him).

Lebron is better to way better at almost every aspect of basketball. People who think there’s a debate between the two as basketball players only look at who touches the ball last in a possession.

You should try watching actual jordan footage instead of the last dance. Jordan was too small to guard most people on a basketball court directly (got fried with lots of help by one-leg drexler who shot 6 points better vs him than every other bull), was way below average at the most important part of defense (as almost all guards are), struggled to fight around screens (which the knicks abused in 93 to keep putting him in hell vs anthony mason), and got dominated by the only big of the era with giannis/ad/bam/draymond level mobility despite said big only working with scraps(team had a losing record too). His assists in the triangle were pretty much just a reasult of easy reads in single coverage (which is why even a 22 year old Lebron is taking out way more defenders with less opportunity to use the ball), and his rebounds were almost all freebies bigger players created for him.

Comparing him to Lebron is a joke.

Kareem was winning more games with as much help as a rookie as peak 88 MJ and has several regular-seasons (72, 74, and 77) that gap any Jordan one as well as multiple playoff runs (74, 77) unless you don’t know how defense works. 74 Kareem was averaging a hypereffecient 34 points a game ontop of being the leagues best or second best defender despite his third best player being injured before nearly beating a historically strong celtics team.

In the worst year of his prime his team was 30-wins worse without him. Kareem was a comically bigger outlier for his era than jordan was for his and it’s pretty silly you think Jordan was comparable.

Hell even in playoff runs he shot badly like 72, he still achieved way more impressive results than Jordan did, outscoring a goat-level lakers team despite his teammates being washed with a playoff injury and keeping things competitive vs a historically strong blazers team (with a goat scoring run despite no pg) despite his second and third best players being injured.

Jordan absolutely can’t step to him either.

Mario Chambers

His teammates were the milkmen in a game of plumbers

because his best teammates kept getting injured lol