[Charania] The NBA is looking into what multiple sources say was a strategy mistake by Kings coach Doug Christie on an intentional foul of Seth Curry while leading the Warriors with over 3 minutes left in Tuesday’s game
Sad part is I genuinely don’t think this was a tanking move. We are just that stupid
One of the proposed tanking solutions is a sort of tanking committee that would evaluate and try to determine if a team is tanking or not.
I feel like no matter what, the Kings would be perpetually dragged before the committee to explain themselves.
The league is not ready for Tank Czar Sam Hinkie
The difference is that we didn’t throw games under Hinkie. Those teams played their asses off, but they just weren’t competitive rosters.
Best kind of tanking
There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball you can’t run out a lineup of local college students
That should be the method. Give these undrafted players a chance to shine for a few 10 day contracts. Stop dressing it up like you’re trying to win.
Worse yet. The Pacers who tank consistently the randomly decide to give effort and beat the hell out of one of their rivals. Carlisle’s out of timeout plays are pristine again. Then they go back to being crippled old injured Indiana for a while. Couldn’t hurt a fly.
Knicks or Magic in town? Ass beating time again.
Ethical unethical tanking
I totally agree, the team, under Coach were playing hard, and he was genuinely trying to grow them into professionals.
Whatever the Wizard and Jazz are doing…..the Coach are in on throwing games, pulling the starters in the second half. That’s really different.
Tbf who would know better about tanking? Like hiring a white hat hacker to point out your own vulnerabilities.
HALLELUJAH HE HAS RISEN
Tanking committee: “You are not a playoff team but we do not grant you the rank of non-tanking bad team”
Kings fans: “What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It’s unfair! How can you pay DeRozan 40 million and still be considered a tanking team?????”
I fully believe people in the front office thought some California sunshine in the winter months would magically reinvigorate Bulls West + Sabonis to a viable team. Except for the Tule fog we had in Nov-Dec and the general inability to actually be competitive quickly put an end to that
edit: So they’re genuinely not tanking (8-12 in the last 20 games). And also genuinely not a good team
I kinda independently came to the conclusion that the only way to prevent tanking in the current league format would be if the commissioner had final say and if a team is declared guilty of tanking it loses its first round pick. I don’t think Silver likes to be the bad guy, this is a job for a sociopath.
A selection sunday process like the NCAA tournament where judges award the picks based on how bad they think you are, how much you’ve tanked, if you’ve made moves with the intention of being bad etc.
It has to be something like Silver or a board deciding, there’s no way to account for all situations with a set of rules. It wouldn’t be perfect but it would be better than all this lottery rule change goofiness.
Joe Mazulla once he’s done coaching
Not to give them ideas, but A a tanking committee show once a week would be 100x more entertaining than the college football one
[Charania] The NBA is looking into what multiple sources say was a strategy mistake by Kings GM Vlade Divac in drafting Marvin Bagley with the #2 pick in the 2018 draft
BTW, that has been the only top 3 pick the Kings have had since 1992, and they fucked it up.
Well how about some flat lottery odds to make sure you never get the chance to draft at #2 again?
It will be way easier to give the lakers top picks this way
Divac working undercover for the lakers
The league front office is really just 3 kids in a Lakers trenchcoat.
Vincent Adultman is a respected business man.
He went to the stock market and did a business.
It’s an on-brand blunder lol. But it is definitely believable. Doug wouldn’t just suddenly make a blatant tanking move like that…
The NBA will punish the Kings in the coming days.
Seems impossible to prove that was tanking. GSW favored by 14, and they won by 5.
They fined the Jazz for a game they won lmao
Sacramento Kings basketball
Hanlon’s razor
I thought it was just Christie said “foul him quick” and whomever fouled just brainfarted and fouled the wrong guy.
Yeah the worst of NBA fandom got had. Couldn’t wait to dunk (pun intended) on a bad team and they didn’t even stop to watch the actual game.
This right here, Kings are just easy clickbait when other teams have been blatantly doing the worst
I mean a smart coach with the goal of tanking would have just fouled Steph, who was on his way to shooting a 3 pointer.
That’s just next level tanking lol
The elephant in the room is that they were point shaving
Just make Doug Christie take an IQ test, that would clear things up with the league
The Kings going from having multiple franchise hurting wins to getting investigated for doing something a third of the league has been doing for months is hilarious
a 3rd of the league is not intentionally fouling good free throw shooters in an attempt to lose their lead
Did you not watch the video?
Kings thought they had a foul to give, at least that is the reasoning
Totally did not watch the video smh
It is blatant tanking, however Out of all the tank teams, warriors fans complains the most out of the situation, dawg you got a win in what could’ve been a losing situation if not for the free fouls.
The reason Warrior fans are talking about it the most is because we watched it live when we watched the Warriors play the Kings and it was jarring.
I don’t mind when teams tank under the current rules, it is unfortunately rational behavior. The Warriors absolutely tanked in 2012 to keep their draft pick. I don’t even think the Kings have been tanking but if they were I would not blame them. That said, intentionally fouling good free throw shooters in a close game is a violation of the unwritten tanking rules, which is that you can sit anyone you want but you need to go for the win with the players on the court. This would be an escalation which is why the scrutiny is there in a way it isn’t for teams “simply” playing awful players.
I hope that Christie really is just a moron and that explains the move because it was hard to believe.
We’ve gone 7-9 and killed our 3 game lead as the worst record for no reason. We’ve played DeRozan 40 minutes when he’s on a heater to bump ourselves out of the bottom 3.
If anyone looks at the broader context it’s pretty obvious that Doug Christie has not adopted an intentional tanking strategy.
Simplest explanation is just that Christie is a really bad nba coach. He makes a lot of dumb calls. He burns through all our timeouts with minutes remaining. He loses track of how many fouls we have left.
Kings are also 8-12 in their last 20. So the blame going to us is hilarious.
Kings radio host Gerry also mentioned around the all star break that they “have too much pride in that locker room to lose” so I mean it just doesn’t make sense lmao.
Heck even our own head coach with his stupid Optimus Prime speeches this past year doesn’t wanna lose either. He’s trying to “save his job”.
It’s crazy. I’ve seen way worse tanking than this.
Gentle reminder the Kings destroyed the Raptors just a week ago. The Raps are playing for a top 6 spot.
And the clippers during that stretch which are vying for playoff seeding
We also got fined at the end of our best stretch of the season (we were on a 9-9 run at that point). And Utah won the game they got fined from.
It’s weird when they’re choosing to investigate teams this season.
So much pride they’re gonna explode for 21-61 on the season instead of 18-64 lmfao. Good God. As a Kings fan, can this season just end already? This shit fucking sucks. Just wish we could fast forward to lottery day already
The Kings are doing it the most ethical way in my opinion.
Derozan has been playing the entire season. They’re giving minutes to their young guys like Raynaud, Carter, Plowden etc, and no shit, those are the guys that will make up their future core.
Teams like the Wizards are actively sitting their rookies and sophomores, even when healthy.
DeMar’s role has been pretty much been the setup guy for the young players , he gets the ball , immediately gets doubled and the young guys do their thing
The Kings have been letting DeMar reach scoring milestones , they’re not tanking , they’re legit injured and playing the young dudes
Exactly. That’s something that a lot of tanking teams (and fans too) don’t always understand, that sometimes your young guys actually need experience in meaningful games.
The Suns were rubbish up until the bubble season, where they actually put NBA-quality veterans (Rubio, Baynes, Saric) next to their young guys (Booker, Ayton, Bridges etc), and then had the chance to play good basketball.
The next season when CP3 comes, the team is actually ready to compete in the playoffs because they’d built up experience the season prior.
what speeches? I want to see them.
That’s an amazing recorded compared to some other teams right now, but could have a lot to do with schedule. In this game it sure felt like the they stopped trying as soon as this foul happened though, no more hustle plays, giving up offensive rebounds and shooting airballs, but who knows.
Well, let’s spin this. Kings are winning too much so the coach is giving away points.
I mean look, this might not be intentionally trying to lose, but it’s so fucking stupid you gotta ask.
Dawg if the League was going to investigate the Kings for making dumb decisions, they could’ve done it at virtually any point over the last two decades.
I watched pacers v king, indiana on the lead, kings couldn’t score, suddenly pacers did multiple TO leading to a fastbreak for easy points.
This explanation does somewhat pass the smell test, although I have never seen a team commit a foul on defense to get the over 3 timeout before. Usually you would just call the timeout on offense, or just let the possession play out as you don’t want to get in the bonus if you don’t have to.
Doug Christie saying that he just fucked up is what makes it believable though. If Rick Carlisle was using this excuse nobody would believe him. In this case I’m gonna default to ‘Never attribute to malice what can be easily explained by incompetence’ and just assume Doug Christie just straight up didn’t realize that the next foul would put the Kings in the penalty.
I already don’t believe Carlisle is so bad to be losing all these games regardless of injuries. He is strategizing to lose for sure.
And doing a good job at it since I haven’t heard much talk about the Pacers in tanking discussions. Though it may not be that hard. Just reminding the team it’s a regular season game and to play like they have in the past is probably sufficient.
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Do you need reminding who exactly the team is here at fault?
I’m gonna assume you went straight to the comments instead of watching the video linked in the OP, because the original video explains why the Kings would be indifferent between fouling Seth Curry and a different Warriors player on the court.
I would love teams to tank like this
Oops, thought we had a foul to give, guess you’re getting two free throws
lol this is the most media attention we’ve gotten all season.
there was a podcast this week where one of the hosts suggested “Kings” for the new Las Vegas team, totally forgetting there already is an NBA franchise named that. So yes, this is better, Kings.
I honestly hope the Kings get the 1st pick they don’t deserve all this scrutiny
“Nice idea, how about the Bucks trade Giannis and get the top pick instead?” - Adam Silver, possibly
Giannnis has to go to the lakers for that to happen
“Well the Clippers are gonna need help after we blame and void Kaw— I mean, pending the results of our investigation the Clippers may have the cap to take on Gianni’s’ contract” - also Adam, maybe
We all know their front office will find a way to fuck it up. Remember them trading haliburton.
Fwiw we are getting better at drafting after bagley disaster. FA yeah
…for an all nba center
Last 20 games for losing teams:
Kings 8-12; Jazz 3-17; Nets 5-15; Pacers 3-17; Wizards 1-19; Bucks 5-15; Grizzlies 2-18; Mavericks 4-16; Bulls 6-14
Let’s pick on the Kings though that makes fuckin sense
Also, does the league have any business investigating a foul call? Or what lineups teams put out in a particular quarter? Do the plays that coaches call or players make have to pass some sort of league approval?
If Jordan Poole takes a 38’ shot with 10 seconds left on the clock and it costs a team the game does the league get to investigate that?
It says here you’re last in the league running pick and rolls, and your best player is averaging 31mpg, the league would like to see some changes here.
Yeah for real where does it end?
Kings have been ass for 2 decades with the exception of like 3 years and then when they decide to finally be a little extra ass for one year and now the NBA is upset? If you want the Kings to not suck how about you investigate Vivek’s tenure and force him to sell.
They want the kings to suck. They just want to make sure the kings look like they’re trying. Except they are trying. Because they suck. Definately y’all need new owners
I legitimately dont think its tanking. Doug is just that dumb as a coach.
At least you’re just arriving at the obvious conclusion. I could not believe my eyes from the previous thread of how many fans were justifying it as a strategic timeout or that they did it keep their lead or something. I didn’t think my perception of this sub could get lower
People were saying they didn’t want Seth to sub out for Steph, which is why they fouled Seth. With Steph literally in the game
More effort investigating the Kings and Jazz for tanking than Steve Ballmer and Kawhi for the Aspiration contracts, probably b/c only one of them directly impacts the sportsbooks
To me it’s so obvious that gambling is driving all of these stupid investigations. Tanking has been a thing for a long time, why is it just now that you seem to want to make changes?
Cool sounds great good job Adam, when are you going to fine the Clippers
It’s insane that Pablo came with every single receipt and they’re gonna get away with it. Literal cheating happening right in front of us and he’s worried about “tanking” he’s so fucking incompetant
I’m hoping other teams lean into these kinds of moves too. They really don’t know the Pandora’s box they’re about to blow wide open. But yeah sure let’s fine the Sacramento Kings at the tail end of their 60 loss season
We are 8-12 in our last 20.
We are too stupid to tank
Jesus Christ this garbage is ridiculous.
That’s cool but when are the Bucks getting fined? A top 5 player in the league saying that the team isn’t letting him play seems way worse than anything these other teams have done. Weird how they only want to punish certain teams.
Nobody even mentions the Wizards blatant tank smh
I think partly because we’re just bad. But it has gotten a lot more egregious as we’ve gone into the last 20 or so games.
I believe that it was found out that the team cleared him to run 3v3 drills, which he would have to complete to return to action but he refused. I could be wrong about this, though.
They’re not getting fined because by all accounts, said top 5 player is lying. It sounded like there was evidence the Bucks tried to put him through standard return to play protocol and he said “no I’m not doing that”. So the bucks said “well okay, fuck you too then, take a seat”
Bucks probably won’t be fined because the NBA’s own investigation corroborated the Bucks’ story that Giannis declined to participate in scrimmages
The NBA investigated that too, and found that Giannis is the one who declined to participate in the return to play protocols…
I know this is the internet, but maybe look into that story first instead of getting up in arms
People will really say anything on here lol
This is just overkill. The league won’t do shit when refs call ticky tack fouls that will swing an entire game, even playoff games, but they’ll go ahead and dedicate manpower to look into why the Kings suck
Kings have actually won a good chunk of games as of late (at least relative to tanking teams). Meanwhile, you have teams like the wizards who get no punishment even though they’ve been resting their starters for the second half of the season.
What is there to investigate? Seth made 1 of 2 free throws so the game was tied at 101 with 3:15 to play. Kings led by 3 on a shot by McDermott at 2:53 left, then Steph hit a three to tie it again at 2:38.
The league is really dumb acting like this is more important than the bad officiating is.
But Draymond whined about it, so it demands attention!
Draymond pushing this to hide his name being found in the Epstein files
Yes that foul was perhaps a miscommunication? Maybe they meant to foul Spencer who was right near Curry?
I’m simply wondering what an investigation would entail. It certainly seems impossible to prove that Christie had the team foul Seth so the Kings would lose, when they led by three after the foul
Doug thought they had a foul to give and he wanted to use that timeout before 3:00 or he’d lose it.
What do you do if the NBA just reports that he’s genuinely that ass and there were no shenanigans?
believe them lmao
If that’s not something you can believe then you have not been paying attention to the Sacramento Kings over the last 20 years
Are you familiar with the Sacramento Kings, or
A decade+ of people complaining about refs: Silence.
This: damn we gotta do something.
“with over 3 minutes left in Tuesday’s game.” 2 FTs with 3+ minutes left isn’t going to seal an L. WTF are we doing here?????
i mean the kings r dumb but idk if theyre really dumb enough to pull that blatant of a tanking move on purpose after winning 7 of their last 9 games
like theres no way they convinced the coach to do that shit after he just didnt tank for the 10 games
We haven’t talked at all, much to the chagrin of the fanbase, now we’re gonna be the fall guy. Watch
Can the NBA just let the king suck in peace who knew it was so hard to suck in the NBA now
We’ve been actively trying to win games too wtf do they want
The Kings committing one bad foul and becoming scapegoats for tanking when we’re the only bad team not actively throwing games is enough to make me fucking hate this league. This is a fucking joke
For real. This is the stupidest fucking shit.
Kings are just that stupid wouldn’t be surprised
love how Kings start doing this shit after playing red hot Achiuwa and Derozan almost 40 minutes against us lol
If y’all can’t stop precious achiwa and a 36 year old Demar that’s on yall
anything can happen on the second night of a back to back.
they had the “you traded me” revenge boost
This is like way off topic, but is your FO still interested in Sabonis at all?
Depending on the playoffs (or play-in) yall have, what’s the biggest need for the roster next season?
Silver is a pathetic lackey for the large market teams at this point.
Oh no Utah, Sacramento, and Indiana might get top picks! We can’t have that!
Let’s move Luka to the floundering Lakers for a box of cigs then give Dallas the top pick in return in a draft that features a phenomenal prospect - Silver probably
This is disgusting. We’ve been trying all year to win every game while teams like the pacers and the jazz play the most cynical, obvious tanking strategy and we get looked into? What, you get fined once and then it’s free rein to tank forever?
This is draymond green’s fault. He is basketball cancer. He is basketball’s Donald trump. He literally and figuratively harms the game and its players and suffers no consequences ever. He opens his dumb fucking mouth and heaven and earth move to fuck the league’s punching bag just one more time, just one more time. Fuck the NBA
The NBA needs to watch more Kangz games. This shit happens on the regular.
The Jazz, Pacers, Wizards, and Nets are the most blatant tankers and should be investigated. Not the kings.
Translation : Doug Christie is an incompetent moron that has made a string of bad decisions all season long starting with giving Keon DNP’s, constantly wasting all his timeouts with 5 min left in the game and now this.
He’s an idiot that shouldn’t be the coach, he’s Vivek’s puppet. That’s all he is. It has nothing to do with intentionally tanking. Why did they play derozan 30 min a night constantly down the stretch of the season then? He thought he had a foul to give. Idiotic move from a stupid coach.
I genuinely feel bad for kings fans 😂
How about we investigate Aspiration and Kawhi
We aren’t tanking we’re just trash , we have a unqualified coach and no point guard
They wasting they time on bullshit
Didn’t Seth miss one? 1 point instead of warriors making a 3 is actually not that bad?
More effort investigating the Kings and Jazz for tanking than Steve Ballmer and Kawhi for the Aspiration contracts, probably b/c only one of them directly impacts the sportsbooks ig
LoL
The Sacramento Kings have always been the league favorite.
Any opportunity to f them up some more, the NBA will always go for it.
Draymond is an absolute bozo for complaining about this.
Is this the nonstop talking about tanking jumping the shark or getting closer to it?
I think they wanted to foul Spencer who was right there near Curry and players just misunderstood. Actually Curry missed 1 of 2 so it actually played out as sound strategy.
What, the NBA is looking into arguably the worst team (my team) in the league because Donkey Ass Green flapped his big mouth?
Get fucking real Adam Silver.
The Kings aren’t tanking. They are legit not good.
The finger pointing among tanking teams is hilarious, everyone tanks even old ass Rick Carlisle is tanking, no NBA team is above making blatant tanking moves.
The Kings literally are above it though lmao. We’ve been playing the vets heavy minutes all year till they went down with injuries. Demar played like 40 minutes the other night
Thing is we’re actually just below .500 in our last 20, fans are pissed that we’re trying so hard and yet the league is blaming us for this one foul, it’s ridiculous
For a guy paid to speak publicly, he sure is bad at it.
Doug probably said “foul Curry” and they fouled the wrong one loool. That’s actually a crazy good coverup, wp!
Wtf is a “strategy mistake”?
If only there was a video explaining it.
watch the video?
What are we even doing?
#sportsbookslivesmatter
thank the heavens above, legalized gambling is here to inspire the league into finally doing something about tanking
I hope they don’t punish the kings by forcing their pick to be dropped to 14th.
Vivek needs to be fired (which won’t ever happen)
Raps lost to this team in an essentially must-win type of game lol
This happens to me too much on 2k. Why is there an intentional foul button that can be used any time?
Bro just let us have something
Lmao
“We might be tanking but that wasnt it. We also happen to be stupid.”
Why not just split the league into two leagues like uk football. If you are fighting relegation there is no way you can tank. Would add a lot of meaning to games that “don’t matter”
I had no idea there was this many Kings fans in real life lol but reading the comments there seems to be dozens of them. Who Knew!
Eh. I watched this. I think Christie genuinely thought getting a cold Seth Curry to the line was better on the percentages for them. Curry did miss 1 out of his first 2 and then had another later that almost rimmed out.
What exactly happened?
Doug has been bad managing timeouts all year, they just need to make an example out of somebody and the league hates the Kings.
The worst coach I’ve ever seen at managing timeouts. He’s truly horrific. They can’t under any circumstance bring him back next season.
League needs relegation like soccer or it’s always going to be shit
Why the fuck is anybody listening to what Draymond Green has to say? NBA media has got to be the worst in all of sports.
Literally cannot prove otherwise though. Being “stupid” isn’t punishable lol
The true secret to tanking: have the worst coach in the nba (and it’s crazy to say that considering my team is coached by doc rivers lol)
The fact that the NBA Now have talking point on tanking, incompetent, or stupid is just insane.
As bad as betting? I’m sorry but are you dumb? The league is ALL IN on betting. That’s one of the main reasons why tanking matters all of a sudden. Giannis-Kalshi disappeared in a week and you’re gonna say that betting is a priority for the league? That’s frankly ridiculous.
And to say that we should be punished with LOSING OUR PICK AND FORCIBLY FIRING OUR COACH for one (1) bad foul after an entire season of trying to win meaningless games and falling five spots in the draft is misinformed at best and brain-dead at worst.
lol shut up, kid.
You can tank but not like that
Hey, how about the Nets, in one game, they had side line possession with about 2 seconds left, but they passed the ball to backcourt, and went for a desperation shot, instead passing the ball to a nearer front-court.
I’m disgusted. Do better Kings.
Hope this is sarcasm 😂
Yeah, give up 95 points in a half to the Pelicans like a proper tanking team.
The Kings need to be punished for being a terrible and clueless franchise. Maybe the NBA should force a sale to an owner who has a clue
Maybe the NBA just needs to give them four #1 picks in a 10 year period to help them be less clueless.
No offense, but knowing the Kings, Vivek would only mess it up
I don’t think tanking has ever been this bad. Jazz, Pacers, Kings, Wizards all competing for that #1 pick. Teams 1-14 in the lottery all get one ball
Kings aren’t tanking though we’re just bad
Add in the bulls too, it’s fucking pathetic what the league has become
The Warriors are absolute ass but at least they’re trying to win & brought Steph back - Silver needs to slide us that #1 pick as a reward
They’d manage to blow it anyway.
It’d be worth it just to watch everyone in their feels
Good. Teams that egregiously tank need to be punished by the league. Kings should have their pick removed for ruining the honor and integrity of the sport for what they did last night. Unacceptable
At least Silver should count that game last night as a win rather than a loss for the Kings
“the Kings pick goes to the Lakers for no reason”
Yup. Jazz should also be punished for benching their starters in the 4th.
Sarcasm surely
Wait what about… checks flair Oh, haha.
You are so dumb if you think a Kings team that has gone near .500 in the last 20 games is blatantly tanking. Your team is an ever worse example. The Kings just are stupid and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was genuinely a stupid decision to foul. Ironically it worked because he missed a FT and the Kings hit a 3 after…
It’s sarcasm. No Jazz fan could possibly be that blind.
the last sentence confirms it’s very sarcastic.