Nikola Jokic’s stats this season: 1st in APG (10.9), 1st in RPG (12.9), highest TS% of any 20 PPG scorer (66.9%), 7th in PPG (28.0), 6th in plus-minus (+525)
Source for stats
Jokic continues to have an insane statline year after year
Let’s see Paul Allen’s stats
Let’s see the tasteful thickness of it
oh my god, it has a watermark.
That’s bone
dead
Plx explain the meme. I’m like 90 years old
So you should understand it, old man
American psycho reference
but whats the connection?
American Psycho it’s a great movie tbh
His conditioning is monstrous. Dude looks like he’s about to die every game but he keeps on going.
He looks like he’s gonna die starting from tipoff
I remember he playing most minutes in a crazy multiple OT game vs the blazers or something, the dude was the only one not panting.
That game was a pivotal moment in his career. 65 minutes, 4OT in the playoffs, and he did everything you could to win until the final free throws.
We learned a lot about what kind of player Nikola Jokic really is that day.
The Rodney Hood legacy game
What were his stats for that game? 65 minutes is diabolical.
He had 33/18/14, so fairly similar to this game.
Thanks.
One of two guys… that was the Rodney “Fresh Legs” Hood legacy game where he came in for 1 minute and 45 seconds in OT4, scored 7 points on 3⁄3 shooting and sealed the game.
Came to the court hopping and shit lmao
I don’t think this is talked about enough. For his size to have this great if conditioning is wild. Man is a horse.
Looks good to me. A solid 5th place MVP right behind JB -Perkins probably
People who cast dumbass votes need to be stripped of their voting powers lol. Also who tf decides who can vote anyways
On a serious note, people really act like healthy Luka should be above this guy in MVP votes. Lol.
It’s SGA > Wemby > Jokic and then Luka a clear 4th before his injury.
It’s not the team record award…
It does matter more than rNBA thinks though. Can’t be >7 games behind(like Luka last year, and this year before injury) and be a real candidate, if the top seed is also doing MVP things.
Its not “best player in the world “, more akin to “Player of the year”. Games played and win% have always mattered, to upset that the top seed needs to lack an mvp candidate(which is what happened when WB and Jokic won as 6th seeds).
It’s how the NBA views the award, whether people agree with those criteria or not.
Its not, so Luka shouldn’t be ahead of Jokic.
Being the 1st seed is a pretty important factor in MVP discussions. SGA even said himself, ‘if you want to be MVP, get the 1st seed,’ which makes a lot of sense. If a player is performing at that level, leading their team to the top spot seems like a fair expectation. It’s not a perfect metric, but I don’t think it’s a bad one.
Except half of the MVPs in the last decade, weren’t on the 1st seed
Guys you can weigh and compare whatever metrics you think matter. I’m not saying 1st seed should decide it on its own. For me it’s a big factor, but others might value different things. Seeding, games played, points, rebounds, assists, steals, win shares, shooting percentages.. they all play a role. I just don’t think 1st seed is a bad metric to consider alongside the rest.
If a player is performing at that level, leading their team to the top spot seems like a fair expectation
That’s only a fair expectation if there’s only one player performing at that level at a time. If multiple players perform at that level, by definition, only one of them can lead their team to the top spot, and it’s irrational to assume that the best or “most valuable” one of those players will tend to be the one whose team has the best record. This is especially true because of how team record can be warped by unrelated factors like schedules and other players’ injuries - even players not on their team!
It’s not really possible to incorporate team record without dragging a bunch of obviously irrelevant nonsense into your consideration.
It is 100% rational because you just led your team to the absolute top, so you should be ahead of others who are behind you. You reached the ultimate goal for your team.
Your logic do not make sense at all. If 4 players are playing equally well, of course team record comes to the fray more. The player that can lead their team to Mt Everest obviously gets the edge. That’s why you’re ‘Most Valuable’ to winning because you got to the top.
You high?
Absolutely if you know it should go Jokic > SGA > JB > Wemby > Cade, then yes clearly you’re right. Serious.
Nahh, SGA is No. 1. Historic efficiency for a guard and leads his team the entire way to everything. Trophies, No. 1 seeds, leader, makes all his teammates better etc.
He’s clearly the quote on quote ‘most valuable’.
Crazy, Jokic’s efficiency is even higher, plus historically leading the lead in rebounds and assists.
Jokic wasn’t that far off of Wemby in the MVP straw poll (644 points to 500) and this was before he won their head-to-head matchup and in process likely ended the Spurs’ chances for the #1 seed
If Denver finish as the #3 seed meaning the seeding gap would only be 1 I could see him keeping his top 2 in MVP streak alive his offensive stats are absurd and historically that’s what gets you the votes
Seems likely to me with him finishing strong and Wemby possibly sitting cause of injury (+ head to head Jokic winning with a statement performance and Nuggets soon to be on a 10-game winning streak) Jokic will probably snatch 2nd. The Wemby MVP arguments from the media seem to have fallen dead silent.
I don’t know if I’m tripping or not… But I swear prior to Wemby saying why he should win MVP in that press conference he wasn’t even remotely in the conversation. I thought he was pretty comfortably like 4th or 5th in the MVP race.. but then he said why he should win it and everyone just ran with it and started saying he should win MVP lmao
Embiid got flipped to heavy favorite after the whole “racist voting for Jokic” comments by Perk a few years ago when Embiid won it. Media are affected by media a lot it turns out. It’s not always even related to basketball.
Ruined Jokic’s 3peat and Luka’s best chance at winning in 24 all because ‘people only vote for him because he’s white’. Kendrick is probably still mad they’re miles better than he is.
Kendrick Perkins swayed MVP voting to Embid because of racism. Y’all are crazy lmao. I miss these types of Joker posts.
Same thing happened when Draymond said he should be DPOY last year. Now he DID end up getting cooked in the final stretch and fell to third, but still he was never in the conversation until he put it out there.
I saw a lot of people make convincing arguments for Wemby on this sub at least prior to when he said that. So it feels like there definitely was some momentum already.
Is Wemby top 50 on offense?
He should be an MVP, he is by far the best player in the league
6th in plus-minus (+525)
He’s really fallen off
ive seen enough drop him from the mvp race
How many games did he miss this year through injury???
That’s total, while missing a month
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Most reddit accounts are just one person.
Jokic’s greatness is taken for granted at this point. I’m not saying he should definitely win MVP, but he won’t even sniff the award because of voter fatigue.
He had a big stretch of games where his performance dipped post injury, which hurt his case. As long as he and the rest of the team is healthy and ready for the playoffs, I’m fine with him not winning MVP
We were missing 3 starters and more for most of those games. Most teams would struggle but this sub just didn’t care when it was us. But yes I’m fine with him not winning MVP
Yup, came here to say exactly this. Joker should of won last year too
wouldnt SGA not winning be because of voter fatigue
Nah, voter fatigue doesn’t really come into play until a player has 2 MVPs. Could be a factor next year since SGA’s 100% getting his 2nd this year.
Next year.
No one has won three straight MVP awards since Larry Bird in 1984-86.
6th in +/- while missing all those games is insanity.
Almost all MVPs have missed the same amount of games lol
Shai has missed almost as many games and leads overall on/off by a mile, wenbayama is up there too with least minutes than all other mvp candidates
Shai is also on a team that has a loooot better point different than the Nuggets
Edit: Nuggets are +375 while OKC is +912
Nuggets only being +375 while Jokic is +525 is hilarious
The fact okc is +912 being used against shai is wild
It isn’t. You’re using +- to bolster Shai, I’m just providing context. OKC is still an overwhelming positive even without Shai and Nuggets are in negative numbers without Jokic.
Shai didn’t miss ‘almost as many.’ He missed 12. Jokic missed 16. Four games is a 33% gap, which matters when people are splitting hairs on MVP.
For the record Wemby is at 16 missed games as well
“33% gap” is so wildly misleading, a first semester stats student would laugh you out of the room.
The answer is 4.65% difference in games played and 34.77% difference in plus minus if anyone was wondering
good to see you know stats, i was thinking the same thing. plus minus doesnt use the amount of games you missed, so why are you using that for percentages
Maintaining the agenda is the number one priority
Four games is a 33% gap looks inside 66 games played vs 63 games played
Four games is a 33% gap
looks inside
66 games played vs 63 games played
Okay dude.
Some of you guys should have to provide doctor’s notes serving as a public apology before you’re allowed to post. Yall either have takes that are so bad faith it’s practically insulting, or worse, you actually believe what you’re saying and that’s just a depressing thought.
Jokic this season: 28 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 10.9 APG
Jokic ‘23-‘24 MVP season 26.4 PPG. 12.5 RPG, 9.0 APT
He’s my MVP.
He can just win Finals MVP again instead
Let’s hope he defeats the terror of OKC
Sounds like MVP shit.
Nah, SGA shoots more free throws and has a higher PPG average. Jokic definitely doesn’t deserve the MVP compared to him.
While getting carried by best defensive team in the league
No one has ever lead the league in rebounds and assists in one year and I don’t understand why no one seems to care he’s doing that rn, like it doesn’t even seem to come up in discussions
Yeah but you see there’s this shooting guard averaging 30 PPG 😮 I bet that’s something that’s never been done before too
Sga has set the record for most twenty points games in a row so yes you are correct
Because SGA and Wenby, duh ;-)
He’s not gonna win MVP and IMO he shouldn’t but him barely being in the mainstream conversation this year has been ridiculous
He was right there with Shai before he got injured. When he first came back he wasn’t playing at his best and Denver were dropping games. Combine that with Luka really picking it up in January and Wemby getting a sudden mvp surge after his press conference, he fell out of the conversation.
He was way ahead of everyone before he got injured. He was at a 30 point triple double at 72% TS….
I think Shai has been the frontrunner all season (betting markets have had him as the favourite all year). OKC started the year 24-1 with the highest net rating of all time, without their second best player. At that point, Shai was averaging 32.6 points with 6.5 assists and 2.2 stocks on 56/45/88 (69% TS!), and only 1.8 turnovers a game.
But yeah if Jokic never got hurt and kept that efficiency it would’ve been a crazy race
Not really. Shai started 24-1 and at the time had a +11 EPM which would have been the all time record.
Yes, but with context, OKC had one of the easiest strength of schedules of all time to start the season.
To their credit though, they also won the games they were meant to win.
Denver was literally second in easiest SOS lmao
Now read the 2nd line.
Crazy that a press conference pushes a guy into the MVP discussion lmao
Idc about the. Jokic SGA battle. But wemby saying he should be mvp and people eating it up made me roll my eyes.
What are the criteria for MVP? It feels like they just shift to whatever gets the most engagement. There are no metrics, there’s no standard. Sometimes it’s “best player on the team with the best record”, then it’s “player with the best counting stats”, then it’s “guy with the best advanced stats”, then it’s “let’s give it to the guy who passes the eye test”. Like, what the fuck are we doing here.
And don’t get me started on “voter fatigue”. What is that supposed to mean? You’re getting tired of voting for the best player and choose an inferior player instead? This is how we end up with “pity MVPs”.
This season, the race is historically close. SGA, Jokic, Wemby all have a case. I’m just annoyed by how muddy the discourse has become.
The voter fatigue was so obvious when he had his best ever season last year and lost pretty easily. Same thing’s probably gonna happen to Shai.
The Thunder won 68 games last season and the Nuggets won 50. Are we being fr right now? The level of willful delusion in this thread is so high that I’m actually having to defend the fucking Thunder, which is disgusting
Pure team success isn’t the end-all be-all, and Jokic has done enough statistically to be seriously in the conversation, especially last year. No way he only gets 29% of first-place votes if he has zero MVPs. I’m not saying this to glaze Jokic—same thing happened to ‘07 Nash, ‘97 Jordan, pick whatever LeBron year.
It isn’t the end-all be-all. That would be the case if there was a monstrous gap between Jokic and SGA and this singlehandedly overruled every other factor. In actuality, both of them are incredibly good and therefore the massive lead of 18 wins simply serves as a strong factor in SGA’s favor as opposed to the sole determinant of MVP.
I definitely wouldn’t say last year was “voter fatigue” when Shai took one of the most injured rosters in the league to 68 wins and the highest point differential in the league’s 80 year history. As the advanced stats gap has narrowed with Shai and now Wemby it’s tough for Jokic to get buzz because of team success, that’s the biggest barrier for a fourth MVP at this point
Yes. good. 😊
He shouldn’t be, despite being better than Shai and Wemby? Looooool the people here are braindead
Why in your opinion shouldn’t he? Genuinely curious by this kind of take.
Dudes pretty good at the game
6th in plus minus despite missing a month.
Should be MVP
Not sure about that.. Definitely the highest value participant though. Deserves some sort of award.
I think he’s MVP
should be at least top 3 in the MVP
He’s a no question top 2.
can we get kitchen sink per 36 stats? or was that only invented for the 2023 season?
MVP
Give him MVP!
Jokic is maestro. He’s a unicorn at his position. If Nuggets are healthy through the playoffs they might just win it all.
That TS% is absolutely ridiculous 67%
Ehhh
He’s my MVP 🥲
So a decent season overall?
Yes, but can he do it on a cold, rainy night in Stoke?
Fuuuuck all that while looking like a wrestler, moving like he’s in molasses and a 6 inch vert. fucking whack.
Should be the MVP, without a doubt.
The guy’s ridiculous. He has been the best player in the league since like 2020 and he should have won MVP every year since then. It’s voter fatigue.
10 years from now we will be wondering how he didn’t win more MVPs. I also think SGAs game will not be this good for much longer and it will further the narrative that Jokic was robbed.
Wdym, he’s gotten better every year and is playing like MJ this year? Nothing indicates he’s getting worse and he’s only 27
Number of players in Plus-Minus top 10 this season, per team:
OKC: 4
Spurs: 3
Pistons: 2
Boston: 1
Denver: 1
Fat ass(I love jokic)
Hes my MVP
Joke is my MVP. SGA ain’t bad, Wemby ain’t bad. But Joke is the MVP this year.
My mvp
Jokic is mvp but he won’t win because he’s white
The voters are realising just now that he’s white. That makes sense.
Did he just pull a Rachel Dolezal for the first three MVPs, you think?
He’s my MVP but it helps to know that he probably doesn’t care all that much about the award anymore
He cares and not giving someone an award they obviously deserve because you think they don’t care is absurd. He is doing things this year that have never been done. He will have the highest BPM in NBA history and potentially finish third in MPV voting… if he doesn’t win the whole validity of the award is meaningless. I can only hope he uses this as motivation to destroy in the playoffs.
Not enough pushoff fouls
Lebron costed this guy 3 MVPs
When the best player in the world plays like it in the regular season, he deserves the MVP
Lebron coasted and formed superteams and people use him not winning MVP every year as a reason not to give it to Jokic, what a shame.
Give him the mvp already!
It’s always been Luka and Jokic
What would even lead you to this conclusion? I feel like the more natural pairing would be Jokic and SGA (advanced stat gods, actually won rings and MVPs).
Well there’s just something more classy about the two he named, idk. Real gym rats
Always been Dillon Brooks low key
Damn, someone should tell the rest of the league that
My respect for Jokic took a deep dive tonight after observing his blatantly ref baiting play of grabbing the defenders arm to make it look like the defender fouled him. Total unethical play in a critical spot that flipped the script in the game. I’m sure most fans will admire his skill in pulling off that deception but it simply made me sick. Seeing someone willfully cheat like that does that to me.
He shot like three free throws as a center bro, on 35 points mind you 🥀
That’s a nonsequitor. The idea that he decided to stoop to cheating like that was what I noticed. Of course if Portland’s coach hadn’t squandered his challenge then maybe Jokic doesn’t try that BS manuever.
if you were really watching the game, blazers were getting terrible calls all game
I only watched the last 5 minutes and that by itself was pretty bad. I didn’t have any rooting interest. If anything I was impressed by the Nuggets epic win over the Spurs and wanted to see if they could pull off another close win. The answer this time was also yes but not in an ethical manner.
My respect for Jokic took a deep dive tonight
I’m sure he’ll be devastated to know this.
Little did you know u/rockhoward is a horse and his disapproval hurts Jokic deeply