MCW was at least the best rookie in that year.

Brogdon won it by default because embiid was injured

Bro locked down ROTY when he had a triple double and the process sixers beat the lebron era heat in their first game

Exactly. ROY shouldn’t really take into account how the team does. Obviously if they do way worse that’s something but like you said the top guys go to terrible teams.

Sure but it’s not like Kon was Pick 20 or something and went to a playoff team, he went to a team that was worse than the Mavs lmao

Charlotte has a way worse record than the Mavs last year, the only reason the Mavs had the pick is because they jumped pretty much everyone in the lottery.

The Mavs had a higher win total projection than the Hornets to start the season as well. The Mavs decided to throw the season away due to injuries.

The Mavs are easily the worse team this year but I wouldn’t say it’s always a given the higher picked player goes to a worse team. Reed Shepard and Steph Castle are some recent examples of high picks going to solid teams.

That’s kinda funny because when The Mavs got the first pick no one thought they would be the shitty team in this scenario. Cooper said how excited he was to go to a team where he compete right away, there remnants of that team that went to the finals and now they add this “generational talent”, you’d think they’d at least be a play in team

My thing is tho, like the number 1 pick is usually getting developed to do things they don’t do at an elite level yet and aren’t elite yet. So they’re often playing losing basketball, and it’s not 100% the fault of everyone else on the team.

They are usually being developed to be shot creators, playmakers, and sometimes both. They start off very turnover prone and inneficient. Before someone says “It’s THE teAM”. Watch Marshall on the same team? He’s not playing worse just because he’s on the Mavs.

Truth is, Kon is a rare rookie that is putting up fairly good volume stats efficiently. He’s not being asked to shot create which is easier, but the fact that he’s doing so efficiently does mean he is the better player.

I thought LeBron was an elite playmaker who sucked as a scorer as a rookie. I thought he had higher playmaking ceiling than scoring imo.

He wasnt just better his rookie year. He was better the first month maybe. He had an awesome rookie season, but Lebron was clearly the better player by halfway through the season. The Nuggets were a better team and they made a lot of roster changes that offseason so putting the jump in wins so much on Melo is not really being fair either.

45/9/8 in a win last night

Screwed up and won last game.

People always blame their youth but it was the upperclassmen who fucked up down the stretch as they choked.

Yeah that’s why melo couldn’t win a championship in college with a team that had 3 of their top 5 scorers as freshman and 6 of their top 7 sophomore or younger. Honestly I’m a Syracuse fan and forgot how young that team was all around, truly wild

that’s not true. it’s frequently decided by how well you do in end of season. like pretty sure wemby lost mvp because of that nuggets matchup

Rookie of the Year doesn’t necessitate better player or better prospect btw. No one thinks Kon is a better player than Coop, Coop seems fucking generational. However Kon is gonna play like 81 games while being a large piece of the hornets turnaround this year and leading the league in 3PM while shooting 43% behind the arc. The narrative absolutely favors Kon, talent and skills go to Coop tho.

i think kon is an absolute perfect fit for the hornets. not that flagg wouldnt be good but i couldnt imagine another player being in kons spot right now

Through being a One Piece fan, you’re a better driver then Lamelo

Everyone is a weeb.

Have you see the tits on Flagg and Kon? This race is STACKED

Webster fans are going hard this week, damn.

With the new system, it’s very implausible to happen. There hasn’t been a co-ROY under the current voting format implemented in 2002.

We’re the villains saying it’s a close race because apparently it’s disrespectful to say anyone other than coop should even have a chance.

Looking at the ROTY race, kon has been the favorite for a good majority of the season, I don’t know who will win but that should definitely matter.

Yeah for sure. This is what you see from so many number 1 picks. Learning to be a top level shot creator in the NBA takes so much time. If we look at all the 18-20 year old rookies over the last decade they’ve all been inneficient players starting just like Flagg. Some ways Flagg is better, but this IS very typical for a ROTY winner.

There is zero chance I would ever take Kon, or anyone drafted in the last 5 years other than Wemby over Flagg. He has an insanely bright future.

But IMO Kon is playing better basketball. May be a smaller role but he’s playing his role at a high NBA level, not just high rookie level.

I wasn’t trying to put Kon down and in another year he’d be a perfectly valid pick for the award, it’s just that we’re comparing him to Flagg here. As for the “solid piece” comment, I’d actually say that’s a compliment, idk what’s wrong with being a solid piece of a strong, good team?

As far as stats go… well okay, CJ McCollum for example is putting up roughly the same 19 points, and since his arrival Atlanta has transformed and is one of the best-running teams in the Eastern Conference in the second half of the season, right alongside Charlotte. But we don’t call CJ a star, do we?

Plus stats don’t tell the whole story, and scoring alone even less so, you don’t have to look far, on his own team the production is pretty evenly distributed: he’s putting up nearly 19, LaMelo nearly 20, Miller 20, Bridges 17. But it’s obviously LaMelo who has the biggest impact on the team, and their level of impact isn’t even close and Miller is a more critical piece of the system too. That doesn’t make Kon a bad player, he’s great, it’s just that not everything comes down to scoring, and on top of that it matters how those points are being scored.

He should’ve wrote a sentence full of nonsense like most of this sub you’re right

I am Nico Harrison’s niece

Yeah, I still think it’s first and foremost the coaching staff’s credit, but overall it’s more like a puzzle that came together and a lot of pieces fell into place at the right time. One of the most interesting first-round series is going to be Charlotte against whoever they match up with in the playoffs.

Great idea to send ball-handling guy with a weak three point shot to a team with Lamelo Ball which is centered around three point shot and making comparison between players based around that.

You know that, if prime Klay Thompson and prime Shaquille O’Neal switched teams I feel like GSW would be hurt as well, so this means Klay > Shaq, yeah

Also, Dallas with Knuepell would absolutely suck ass even more than now and Kon’s effectiveness would be hurt bad, cause there would be literally zero open threes for Kon cause the only decent playmaker in Dallas is Cooper rn

What a terrible argument.

By the same logic Cooper Flagg is better than Jamal Murray, Reaves, Ingram, or anyone on the Celtics outside of whoever is currently the first option.

So you agree Cade should have won over Barnes in 2022

A player who can do everything at an elite level

He can’t shoot. He’s a poor efficiency player who doesn’t improve his team while his team is bad. If he could do everything at an elite level he’d be All-NBA.

It’s like saying you’ll give Klay Thompson the mvp over LeBron since he can shoot 3s better 

It’s more like saying that Klay Thompson is better than Rudy Gay. One player produces value and elevates a good offence to an elite one, the other one gets box score stats while not producing real value that impacts winning.