Unironically chris paul too if you think the volume is high enough

Steve nash in low-ish volume

Potentially adrian dantley [one of history most efficient scorer] if we had that data

If you count hook shots as midrange then kareem is there too

Dirk and durant must be around, kawhi too

Jordan probably was not more efficient than everyone here but easily had the bigger volume of shots

Did KD never do this?

on significant volume

This is an exaggeration. High volume for today’s NBA is perhaps 5 FGA from that zone per game. Shai is currently on 5.3 per game. Jordan was attempting 15 per game. That is a massive difference. Efficiency and volume share an inverse relationship so the more you shoot, the less efficient you become, it is an adage that has stood the test of time from the very first time a person shot a ball into a peach basket. There is a tonne of data to support it. And it increases exponentially as volume increases. So for MJ to shoot three times the volume as Shai from that range, it is an insane amount. Now Shai is hitting on 54% on his 5 shots. MJ was hitting on 49% on his 15 shots. At worst you can say MJ is equally impressive but in reality he is far more impressive, to maintain that efficiency on that huge volume is just crazy. And those are numbers from his worst shooting seasons as a Bull as those stats were not tracked prior to the 97 season. Someone analysed a tonne of games from his early 90s seasons, over 100 games in fact, and he shot even better, something like 51% on similar crazy volume.

People act like this guy is only good because of his whistle but like, he doesn’t even have the best whistle in the league and he’s putting up truly historic numbers. The dude has a good whistle but he also just gets fouled because he’s an absolute assassin in the mid range. 

SGA is ¹⁹⁰⁄₃₄₉ 54% from mid range in 2026

KD - ¹⁵²⁄₂₈₆ 53% from mid range in 2025

KD - ²⁵¹⁄₄₈₅ 52% from mid range in 2024

KD - ¹⁸³⁄₃₂₇ 56% from mid range in 2023

KD - ²²⁶⁄₄₀₇ 56% from mid range in 2022

KD - ²⁵⁴⁄₄₆₁ 55% from mid range in 2019

the first person

First guard. Big men are likely to have done it more. Kareem had 60% on 16 fga in 1979-80, mc hale had a similar season in 86-87. Zion and Giannis have each done it twice

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+players+to+shoot+above+60%25+field+goal+percentage+and+above+15+shot+attempts+average+for+a+season

Shaq was in the exact opposite foul situation though. Where they erred on the side of no call if there was contact because shaq was too strong. 

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He is somethingh much worse for popularity than rapist, he makes funny faces when fouled

She was 19 clowb

Canadian Kobe

Who fucking cares, so happy we have him instead. Who cares if everyone says they hate him or he gets ignored.

They always say do one thing very well. What’s SGA’s one thing? Everything.

Canada and raptors fans well most of them appreciate tf out of how much he put Canadian hoops back on the map

Everyone loves young players while they’re rising into the top 10 and turning their team into a contender. But as soon as you’re an established superstar who’s consistently competing for championships you get nonstop hate. Watch it happen to Wemby next, fans love the “future of the league” but hate the present of the league.

Crazy statement. Who is your top 15?

He also meant championship, but you’re still right.

No way. Longevity is a part of every player’s resume in the top 15. He hasn’t been great for long enough to be in there with those guys.

People push back on Jokic being that high and he has been top 2 voting for MVP 5 years in a row. He may make that 6 years now. He has had MVP votes in each of the last 7 years. And he won 3 of those MVPs, won a chip, and finals MVP. A lot of people balk at calling Jokic top 10-15 all time.

If OKC wins again and SGA wins MVP again, he will have one chip over Jokic and one less MVP. He will also have only been elite for 4 total years. He has a long way to go.

I’m not saying he won’t get there. He very probably will end up in those discussions in a few years. He just hasn’t been playing elite basketball for long enough to justify putting him over guys who have similar hardware and did it for over a decade.

Yes, thankfully nobody in real life is calling this guy the modern Jordan.

Yeah everyone is crowning SGA the modern Jordan irl.

🙄

Thunder fans are really going crazy

It’s been a narrative for a year. Some say he is even better (but obviously less accomplished). It’s Maniacal.

Efficiency, Defense, Scoring, team role/success, you name it

https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead//stathead/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=jordami01&p1yrfrom=1995&p1yrto=1996&player_id2=gilgesh01&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2025

Edit: Yall so mad lmao

So if a player didn’t get a whistle when they were fouled their efficiency would go down?

Wow what a novel concept

3 rings (and 3 fmvps) and 2 mvps (at least) would be better than Kobe and Hakeem lol. He’d be top 10

People were calling MJ the GOAT when he had 1 ring lol.

Wemby isn’t close at all. Straw poll last week BEFORE the LAL game had SGA at 88 first place votes to 8 for Wemby. SGA’s the overwhelming favorite, and his odds to win are back at -1600. Last year was a much closer race between Jokic and Shai. This year it isn’t close at all. Everyone agrees it’s Shai despite thinking others are playing well too. Last year many people actually thought Jokic was the MVP, which is why he got 29 first place votes.

It’s not close at all BUT wemby and luka both made it closer than most thought, so it just feels like it’s not overwhelming.

It’s pretty overwhelming.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Shai gets 80% of first place votes. 

Sga post Jokic injury has never not been favourite only the media/betting companies and Wemby himself pushed for him to appear as #1 but in reality he has never truly been

It ain’t that close. Shai is the frontrunner by a lot

It’s not even remotely close, but Wemby and jokic have also put up mvp caliber seasons they may have won in other years

Shai will get over 75% the first place votes. It is not a close race.

Facts. Especially with the amount of talent and parity in the league today. Last time a team repeated had Kevin Durant on a 73-9 roster.

He’s so smooth. He’s clearly worked his footwork, but there’s also so much talent and athleticism.

For real, he has one of one balance, change of direction, and body control

On the flip side though he is not an absolute insane genetic freak like Lebron or Giannis so his style of play is more acheivable for young up and comers.

Jokic Fan Club is massive on this sub

And how many have done it back to back?

1. LeBron and Jordan.

3 to include bill russell since it wasn’t around.

If SGA does it he’s an all time great guard

Oh my fucking god

Demar is just as much of a guard as Shai. They are literally the same height, but Demar is stronger so they play him at SF. He was a SG his entire Toronto stint

Ahh makes sense, sorry it’s an early Monday here