him being 4th in mvp race was laughable.

if Luka’s appeal to be qualified for awards goes through, one of SGA, Jokic, Wembanyama, or Luka is going to be fourth in this group for MVP in 2025-26, despite all of them being more than qualified to be MVP this year.

Enjoy the fact we got such incredible play. You don’t normally have a four-horse race for MVP this late in the season.

Wait, how did Jokic destroy the Spurs? With a two-point win in overtime?

The average nba fan is so damn reactionary it’s laughable, i bet several of you have argued for multiple different guys over the last few weeks

Yes. I mean hes still quite clearly the best player in the NBA to me though MVP doesnt mean best player

I hate the voter fatigue argument so much because it makes it seem like there aren’t other outstanding players having all time great years. Y’all really need to stop it.

“destroys” the Spurs. Jokic played incredible and made his case for MVP over Wemby, but if Wemby hit his shot at the end of regulation, you wouldn’t be posting this. This kind of reactionary swing over the very end of one game at the end of the season is part of the problem with the MVP race.

What do you mean “it’s all look how well Wemby played”? What do you mean Jokic “destroyed” the Spurs? It was a close overtime win secured by Aaron Gordon.

What do you mean “him being 4th in MVP race”? No voting has taken place.

If one great game sways you this much, do the single bad games not also sway you?

ya’ll need to remember the MVP is a regular season award not who’s the best in the last 2 months of the season.

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Are people really just this stupid or vote farming?

It’s wild how this sub treats jokics 15 FTA games vs Shai ones lmao, bro getting mvp chants here because he had a 0 turnover 15 FTA 2 pt overtime win, that sounds awfully familiar to the other guy except he does the same thing with 2-4 FTA all the time 🤔

Personally idc it’s just funny seeing in real time the “it’s not fun to watch ft half the game!!!” Shai hate crowd completely disregard them when it’s someone they like

Jokic has been ass on defence this year even for himself

You all care too much about some rankings that don’t mean anything.

Team success weighs heavily in MVP and the Nuggets are 4th seed.

I’m falling victim to posts about voter fatigue for Jokic fatigue.

Jokic didn’t destroy the spurs lmao.. didn’t they win a couple games against the nuggets without wemby too

People do the same with Joker “his team let him down but look at his amazing stats!”

It’s okay, he’s not the MVP this year.

Jokic has reached that rarified air where the only thing that will improve his legacy is more rings. Regular season awards aren’t enough to move the needle any more.

No if Denver had OKC or Spurs record he would’ve won. And one reason why his team doesn’t have Spurs/Okc record is because they are a bottom half team defensively (Joker contributes to that) and they’ve been a poor team in the clutch this season. I also saw a stat showing Jokic’s numbers are mediocre in the final 5 minutes of close games this season (clutch minutes) that contributed to some of their losses (aside from yesterday). As opposed to SGA who will runaway with CPOY.

Jokic fans are always somehow the most oppressed people whose favorite player is victimized by the media (he has 3 MVPs already)

He is 3rd on the straw poll. Wth are you talking about.

My favorite was “wemby is still mvp, you can’t blame him for jokic being unreal.

Well it’s not wemby fault but maybe that other guy being unreal means he’s the mvp

The Nuggets are the fourth seed man…

He won as the sixth seed cause he had no help, this season he has it. SGA and the Thunders have been the first seed all season and SGA is having a legendary season.

It seems the seeding argument changes JUST to facilitate Jokic.

Best player in the world btw (before a Jokic fan gets all mad).

This happens all the time Lebron should have 6 or 7 MVPs if we are being real. Voters just got tired of voting him. It will happen to SGA too

No Shai has just flat out been better. Wemby has been better too but it’s not as obvious as Shai. Luka and Jokic are a toss up. 

NBA discourse fucking sucks. Worst fans of any major American sport by a mile. 

Best != most valuable player

It’s really that simple

You should be forced to change your username lol

Typical crybaby bullshit from Jokic fans.

People finally starting to realize how annoying these jokic fans are. Jokic is great, but I’d be lying if I haven’t been wanting his ass to retire so I can stop seeing such dumb ass takes from his stupid ass fanboys

Man Jokic fans only watch nuggets or something. Regardless who gets 4th its gonna be ‘disrespectful’ and Jokic is not better than wemby or sga this season in my opinion. I would also have luka higher

Jokic. Doesn’t. Play. Defense.

Destroys lmao

Jokic is immune to voter fatigue lmao

Shit I’m gaining voters fatigue with how much jokic fans bring it on a hourly basis

Four guys are having incredible seasons. Someone is going to be fourth.

Wins matter

None of this matters lol. SGA is going to win MVP and people are going to decide whether Jokic or Wemby is on top based on the playoffs.

Bro how fucking annoying are you stans? Jokic’s dagger, his 40 pts, and his stats were all highlighted prominently in this sub. Advanced stats about how the team was like -12 with him on the bench and +14 with him off the bench was also a thing.

Jokic stans are the most annoying Stan group ever.

oh brother lolol

No, there just 3 other players playing at a MVP level as well

Every repeat MVP suffers voter fatigue.

Michael Jordan lost the MVP in a 69 win season because well the season before he won 72. So duh.

Jokic isn’t winning MVPs because he winning significantly fewer games than the other MVP competitors who are also putting up great stats.

Is all the “look how well Wemby played in a loss” in the room with us? It was literally nothing but Jokic praise since last night. Yall try so damn hard to push a non existent narrative.

“Voter fatigue” on the guy that has won 3 MVPS? Give it a rest bud.

I think more than anything I’m happy there’s such elite play in the league, for there to be 4 legitimate players for the MVP is incredible.

This parity is crazy too, I have NO idea who is going to win it all this year (Though I think the Celtics got it, and I don’t even like them lol)

I kind of think the top 5 mvp candidates are all pretty good

I am the biggest jokic stan and hate the way okc defense is officiated, but SGA is clearly the MVP this season, due to his sheer consistency. Jokic was clearly inconsistent for 2 months after his injury layoff, especially with lazy turnovers, while the other 3 contenders clearly had better runs over him. I m so stoked though as he is seems to be peaking again at the right time.

He already has an MVP as the 3rd, 6th, and 2nd seed lol. And now people say voter fatigue the last couple of years when he’s double-digit wins behind SGA?

Jokic has by far the lowest MVP standards for any past “best player in the league” that I can remember. Lebron would probably have 1 MVP total if he had these Nuggets records.

Destroys? They went to overtime and won by 2

Ring culture has made people think MVPs matter which is laughable because morons hated Westbrook winning MVP

At this point I’m with Jokic, let’s focus on championships. Awards are fun for us fans to argue about, I’m glad he’s got 3, it is annoying that I don’t think he’ll get given another one, but it’s easy to lose sight of the plot. I love this era of the Nuggets, I love they got a chip, the ride has been unreal. I’m foolish if I let the narratives and noise bring me down. (It still does sometimes admittedly).

he’s going up against one of the best defenders of all time and two of the best guards the game has ever seen

We’re making a post over someone being in 4th place? Out of how many players in the league? Hello?

MVP is a gimmick award. You need a good story. And Wemby has a great story - ie. He’s hilariously tall. Doncic has a great story - dumped by the Mavs. SGA has a decent story - best player in the league going for back to back titles. 

Jokic doesnt really have a story.

Sort of, the other aspect of it is that the candidate pool is just incredibly strong. Jokic is having a phenomenal year but the nuggets as a team have had their struggles. SGA and Wembanyama have also had incredible statistical seasons and their teams have been much more successful in the year so their case just ends up being stronger.

MVP’s play defense.

One game over reactions with a hint of recency bias

“Destroy” lol the asinine overreaction to this game is actually comical. You would think the spurs loss by 20 and wemby put up a dud, when in reality, it all came down to the wire in overtime and Denver won by 2

Part of it is that the only 4 time MVP’s are Kareem, Russell, Lebron, Wilt and MJ, so fairly or not he’s capped at 3 until he gets to another level of dominance

Yes it’s the same thing that happen to LeBron

There’s always going to be a handful of guys that could win MVP every year. Sure, there will be some years where there’s a clear favorite, but most years it could be a coin toss. Jokic, due to his style of play, will almost always have the best advanced stats. Is he an all-time great? Of course. But some of yall make it sound like he’s the literal goat.

Sometimes you have to use the eye test, too.

Did you watch the game and really think Jokic was better? I watched every second and thought they both played great but would lean Wemby in individual performance. Just from me counting live he had like 12 to 15 “neverminds” to go along with his 5 blocks. 

Its great to have no skin in the game. No matter who wins some fanbases are gonna be PISSED. All 4 are doing MVP things so to me it’s just great ball.

Yes. That’s a fact, if Jokic wouldn’t have 3 MVPs he would be more than probably first for the MVP.

But that’s a thing that happens and will keep happening, it’s not a Unique Jokic thing.

Honestly i feel like that happened when he didn’t get the MVP 3peat

The whole MVP conversation has been media driven and “narrative”-driven since don’t know when. Jokic is the best player in the NBA and the best player in the world, and he’s been the best player in the world for the good half a decade. And for the most part, he’s had this same treatment from the “media”. It doesn’t matter who Kendricks Perkinses of the world pick to be “the thing” for the season (or like they do this year, for half the season), that fact remains.

I remember my first generational superstar who gets underrated on MVP votes because of voter fatigue.

When you’re no longer a teenager, you’ll get it.

Jokic is falling victim to his team being 11.5 and 9 games behind the people who are likely to finish above him in MVP voting.

Yes this happens every time to everyone and everyone who actually votes for somebody else is a fucking moron and should be stripped of their voting privileges.

That’s a reach. I think you spelled barely won wrong. Also you all didn’t beat the Spurs they beat themselves, but it was a great learning experience for spurs. I dont see this Spurs losing to nuggets in a series. But if they do hats off to the nuggets.

I don’t think anyone sees any of these guys as better than the others. It’s just coming down to who had the most impact and consistency

How many of these post do we need every day? This is my first time actively following the end of the season on reddit… The daily lakers/spurs/nuggets/thunder fans posting about who should be the MVP is just way too much. Jokic, Wemby, Luka and SGA are all great players, you are not honoring them with those cringe posts! Is it like this every single year? I might stop checking reddit after the ASG.

It’s weird but in the NBA you kind of graduate out of MVPs once you get a few

I mean everyone was talking about jokic after the game not wemby lol. Jokic is just insane 

The MVP discussion is exhausting.

A little bit I remember after LeBron won his fourth MVP thinking he may not get another one. Even though you could argue he should have probably six or seven MVPs

The difference is some of you act like he’s far and away the MVP which is not true. Yes, he could be the MVP but the other three guys could as well. They all have an equally great case

it’s one game..what happened in the other nuggets-spurs games?

As a nuggets fan after he returned from injury he definitely wasn’t playing as his usual self and also we won by 2 in OT. I don’t see how that’s destroying the spurs lol

I’ve been saying this on every one of these posts: Jokic is better offensively and Wemby is better defensively. However, the difference offensively isnt anywhere near as big as the difference defensively.

Honestly if he stopped acting nonchalant he’d be higher up.

Can’t explain why though.

Totally agree. Jokic is the first player ever to lead the league in both rebounds and assists and people act like this is normal!

It’s more that the media has to warp reality to fit a new narrative every year, and they get WAY to much say in it.

It happens to all the greats, except Jordan, because media knew how much he was carrying NBA viewership at the time.

Jokic is getting the LeBron treatment and that is pretty normal for the best player in the league. I’m not a fan of the Nuggets, probably more of a hater, but he is simply the best player in the world

And that doesn’t mean that he wins the mvp, that’s unfortunately how it works

Team record, some voter fatigue, next question 

Right now it’s a 3 way tie between SGA, Wemby and Jokic in terms of impact.

Jokic is the best playmaker, Wemby is clearly the best defender, and SGA is the most efficient.

Pick your flavor: https://readthegame.com/leaderboard

He missed a chunk of time in the middle of the season and then was a little slow coming back right around when people started having the MVP talks, so he fell behind the other guys. It’s hard to flip the narrative once it’s out there.

Yes. He started the year with the best offensive numbers is history, then he came back from injury and isn’t doing as good as the best ever that he looks worse. Every MVP ever falls victim to this game.

Voter fatigue is absolutely real in NBA MVP voting throughout history

MJ has 5 - do you really think there’s only been 5 seasons where MJ was the best/most valuable player in the league?

LeBron only has 4! Let’s be real - if the MVP was truly about the best/most valuable player in the league, he’d probably have a bunch more

Voter fatigue is for real - I think people just literally get bored of voting for the same guy even though his case is way stronger than some of the newcomers, so the award gets passed around to newcomers

It definitely makes the award a little less meaningful when you realize “oh yea a bunch of the MVPs that have been given out over the years only happened because voters didn’t want to give it again to the guy who actually deserves it that year”

The vote feels like it’s not just about the facts but also who has the shiniest narrative that year unfortunately

The Nuggets don’t have the wins to round out an MVP case that matches Jokic’s statistical dominance. Yes AG and PWat missed time in addition to Braun’s regression, but it’s still a strong enough supporting cast (especially with Murray’s all-nba caliber season) to expect more wins than they’ve had. Denver came up short against a lot of mid-low tier teams during the second half of the season for a team that’s supposed to be competing for a title.

Him being third or fourth is perfectly warranted. He missed a good chunk of the season, had an absolutely brutal month after coming back from the injury, and his current team is easily the most stacked (talent-wise) in his career but isn’t performing up to expectations. They were expected to be challenging OKC for the first seed, not fighting the Lakers for the third seed. Yes, part of it is due to bad luck and injuries but I doubt voters care. I’m surprised Nuggets fan are concerned either; he’s already got three of them and does it really matter where he places second through fifth?

Every aspect about all of this has been about what is most profitable for the NBA and it’s owners. There it’s done.

Partially this.

Partially other players putting up historic years

Partially teams with player having historic year and team winning 60+ games.

Same thing happened to Jordan. People get used to greatness / get bored of the same person winning every year.

How high would Jokic rank if he was American? There’s your answer.

Jokic is easily my MvP in spite of his slight fall off post injury.

But the competition is still fierce as hell and I can’t be MAD if someone picks Wemby or SGA over him.

How stupid can you be to write that when Luka has been in the league for 7 years and never won ?

I think so. if people are honest Jokic is already a top10 player of all time. His impact doesn’t look real on the offensive side.

Is it laughable?

Assuming all are eligible, who do you put 4th between SGA, Wemby, Luka, Jokic?

The fact is that 4 high level guys had great seasons and happen to be the top 4 seed in the west too. Someone has to be 4th and Jokic isn’t a crazy pick

All four of these guys are putting up MVP-caliber performances this season. As a fan, I just love seeing the race be this competitive.