“Its not analysing, its just content” — Jay Williams calls out the people in the media blaming JJ Redick for Luka’s injury.
Hes completely right. Same thing happened with haliburton playing through his injury, it’s toughness until it’s not - didn’t see anyone blaming carlisle for that. Hoping it’s a minor strain
if there was ever a time to be reckless, its game 7 of the nba finals. you play that even if its 50% chance catastrophic injury.
100%. Just sucks in retrospect that he ended up out for a whole year and you can see how much that impacted the team
same thing happened with KD in 2019. people should remember him basically risking his body for the chip.
Yeah I’m nervous for Tatum honestly. His recovery for the same injury seems comparatively short.
It is factually short. Like by a month and some change.
The thing is the entirely org feels the pressure to put them on the court and it takes a professional mindset that you’re a doctor first and team staff second when appraising if they should play and it might be rarer than people think.
Nobody wants to be sole voice of reason that the org can point to and blame for them sitting out.
Yes it’s pretty shitty. Having access to the best sports medical care around only works if it’s objective and ethical, not for ticket sales at home games.
KD probably shouldn’t have played that game.
Did the pacers actually try this season? I’m actually curious I didn’t watch any of their games.
No. I’m sure Carlisle was told to lose games for a pick.
And yet we still beat y’all smfh.
The Pacers also beat the Celtics and OKC. Are the Pacers better than them? Oh what’s that 🧏♂️No? Okay, so sybau
Why be a dick to them lol? Their point was Carlisle got instructed to lose games but still whipped on rivals. It’s just a switch they turn on and off. Pacers don’t actually suck.
I’m fine with it. We own the Knicks until they prove otherwise in the playoffs.
Were we talking about better? I concede your point about Bos in 2024 and OKC in 25 but we beat y’all both years so I refute your insinuation that the Knicks are comparable 🤣
People really put “sybau” thinking it sounds cool to some shit lol.
They were trying in the beginning but then pivoted when they were chronically injured. They still randomly try though, not really like other blatant tankers, it’s insane they were the ones who got fined
I think you have to fine the Pacers as well once it became obvious they were trying on certain nights. That’s just as bad of a look as the Jazz benching stars in the 4th of close games.
Pacers were obliterated with injuries to start the season and they never had a chance to recover. I think by the time they had their full squad back they were already close to last place.
Carlisle has them try for rivalry games. Other nights he’ll blatantly throw the game. Knicks and Magic might get their asses beaten. But most other teams get a free win.
Watch out if you see Siakam double jumping for rebounds and every Pacer rushing for loose balls in the first quarter. Carlisle told the team to try that night. DO NOT BET AGAINST THEM
No, they did not.
They both had plentiful injuries and tanked their season.
To put it in perspective, Hali tore his Achilles over a month after Tatum did. Also, if the pacers were in a position for playoffs, I think he might’ve came back.
That’s what the fans want, that’s what the industry wants. You said it yourself, even if it’s catastrophic we expect players to take that risk. Nobody really gives a shit about the person. I can’t blame the players for choosing themselves and sitting out, fuck the noise, no billion dollar can replace the feeling of being able to be healthy and with family
Lauri Markannen energy over here. Get my money and rest my body as long as we need to tank. I’m cool with it. Gets paid to workout and travel lol. We clown on him but it’s an excellent gig.
In general players are usually the ones who want to play through injury. Its almost always teams looking at their investments and saying nah you gotta sit this one out. I can only think of maybe half a dozen times a team implies a player is ready and the player doesn’t want to play over the last 5 years, and dozens of times players are saying I want to play but the doc says I’m not ready.
That situation really bothered me at the time, because it felt like Haliburton had no choice. The whole country was basically on his ass saying “Hey, it’s big boy time, you already got the max contract, no excuses” and it’s like damn, what if the medical staff was genuinely telling him this is a bad idea? Like it’s not 50%, it’s closer to 80%. I can’t imagine being in a situation like that. If he says no, he instantly becomes the most hated player in the NBA, and it would never wash off.
Similarly if there’s a time not to be reckless is 2-3 weeks before playoffs down 30 at halftime 🤪
Comparing game 7 of the NBA finals to game 76 of the regular season ain’t it lol
The Lakers were getting killed and the game had minimal impact on the standings. It’s not crazy to say he shouldn’t have been out there after clearly being hurt already.
The point was to go out and win the second half and give the team some belief they can compete with OKC after getting clowned in the first half. Like it or not, the Lakers will always be a championship or bust franchise, and putting up a competitive half of ball vs the best team in the league would have been beneficial. The only reason this is even a discussion is because the worst case scenario played out.
they were only supposed to play 6 minutes of the third. luka got hurt before that.
Risking the health of your best player in a game that already lost two weeks before the playoffs for a moral victory is a crazy justification lmao
The only reason this is even a discussion is because the worst case scenario played out
Yes, that is generally how things work. You usually only discuss things because they happened.
Teams play their stars in the 3rd quarter of a game, regardless of score. It’s not like he got hurt in the last 5 minutes of the 4th. But sure, lean into the false outrage and amplify it. Thats what makes the internet so great these days
Teams play their healthy stars
Had that argument yesterday and somehow got downvoted. Luka was limping in the 1st quarter. Watching him sprint for 2 more quarters until its bad enough is a dumb ass decision.
Luka is always limping
Uhhh huh…
With the way we were shooting and picking your offense apart. That was a bad time to try it.
So you think the best option was to roll over and let the Thunder embarrass them even further? I can see why you’re not a coach
Never expect rational (or even stimulating) discussion on r/nba. This place is only good for news and highlights, that’s it.
It makes perfect sense to try out different looks and ideas against a team we’re going to face again in a week and will in the postseason if we advance far enough. It sucks that Luka got hurt, but it’s not like he had been grinding through recovery for weeks and we put him out there to re-aggravate ala Nuggets with Aaron Gordon a while back. Injuries happen.
I can see why Luka got injured and may miss playoffs.
Yes, because that’s what hindsight is.
Minimal impact? The Nuggets are right behind them in the standings. Now 1 game back. That’s the difference between playing OKC in the 2nd round or Spurs in the 2nd round.
They’re not at risk of losing home court advantage in round one or falling down into the play-in tournament. That’s minimal impact.
Yeah, I don’t think the 3⁄4 difference is big for the Lakers. Sure, the Thunder are a worse matchup for the Lakers than the Spurs, but 1) that’s a matter of degree, the Spurs could win 64 games, and 2) there’s still a significant chance that the Spurs catch the Thunder anyway, meaning that the Thunder will be the matchup for the three seed.
But I don’t blame JJ for playing Luka in that spot. You want to show that the first half was a fluky thing - give your 1s some success against the Thunder in the 3rd and then go win the rematch in LA in a few days.
It’s also something JJ straight up said he was proud his team stopped just giving up on games. Theyve been critized for packing it in super early. We’ve seen this Lakers team recently give it a strong push in the 3rd and get back into games. Think JJ was seeing if Luka could do some damage before throwing in the towel
Yeah, that plagued the Lakers all season. They’d go down by 20 early in the 3rd and you could see everyone looking around like “okay, when are we getting off the floor?”. Teams would make a hard push going into halftime, knowing that all they have to do is dominate for a few minutes in the third and the Lakers would be ready to go home
Sucks because they just started playing amazing the past month or so
Playoffs are a different story
They were down 32 in a game they didn’t need to win and weren’t going to win
He ain’t wrong, media literacy in general is pretty terrible in this country and sports media is a great case study in it. People will swallow any narrative that vaguely confirms with their world view without investigation or curiosity. And then people will defend these positions ad nauseum.
People like SAS completely destroyed the sports media by being the original clip farmers
People like SAS and Perkins are relevant, because that’s what a majority of people want. They don’t want analysis or the dissection of a play. They want dissing, jokes, shits and giggles. Not that much different than what TNT does. They’re just funnier. Or at least they used to be.
I mean, just look at this sub. The major story this week was Jaden Ivey having a mental health crisis. Bring on the memes!
I feel like it takes away from people that want to make more analytic content as well. The NBA on NBC’s youtube channel makes great content but hardly gets any exposure.
Jay Williams tweeted about Ime Udoka being the first head coach of color for the Celtics (Udoka was actually the sixth) and then Williams claimed he’d been hacked.
Except he is completely wrong. There is a time to be tough and a time to be smart. I’m not saying it’s all on JJ, but for the lakers to risk Luka in a 30 point blowout in an end of season regular season game is pretty stupid. And could cost them a round 1 exit.
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I was going to say.
Jay Williams saying “thats not analysis, thats just content” isnt wrong but this is still the man who thought Udoka was the Celtics first black coach
Bro what is this? 😂
I think you should leave by Tim Robinson, you should watch it.
Yeah. The irony of saying this while still working for the media machine he’s criticizing.
Yet you also live in society
That’s a terrible comparison. Jay Williams isn’t forced to work in the clickbait media world. Lol. He could just live off his millions in earnings and make quality content if he wanted.
How the fuck would you know what he could live off of or what he has left to live off of?
The most brain dead, intellectually dishonest retort to pointing out someone’s hypocrisy rears its head once again.
Has anyone in the media blamed JJ? I only see people in comment sections blaming him but yet to see anyone notable in the media
That’s the game. J Will is a First Take artist. He’s known for just blowing up tiny narratives for clicks. It’s his job.
Such an easy job… he probably just browses here and sorts by New
It’s either JJ’s fault for not noticing his player grabbing at his hammy all game long and not thinking bigger picture, or Luka for playing thru a soft tissue injury that he should know by now you cant play push, or the medical staff if they said nothing was wrong and he had little risk of a longer term injury.
I agree with him. Also JJ is not the medical staff. If he is told he is cleared and Luka says he wants to play, all he can go off of is the words he is being told.
On the other hand, he was visibly trying to play through it and it clearly was bothering him. Sometimes a player has to be saved from themselves and be shut down regardless of what they say.
But even in that case, that’s on the med staff. Not JJ
I think Luka, the medical staff, and the coaches all need to be aware. I get why he wanted to stay in, so I think it’s dumb to attack JJ, but I also remember thinking “he just tweaked his hamstring. They should probably pull him in a blowout…”
Lastly, Jay Williams engages in this same clickbait nonsense and he’s literally doing it right now. That’s what this video is. Lol.
Agree. I didn’t even see media ppl blaming JJ. Mostly online discourse form people who don’t know what they’re talking about lol.
His video just draws attention to it
Not JJ’s fault, but there should’ve been a convo between all of them if this was worth it.
2 weeks before the playoffs, down 32 OKC is red hot and I get fighting for seeding but outside okc lakers have an easy schedule. Denver has the hardest schedule the rest of the season.
I’d take the gamble and ice my franchise player and bounce back on Dallas
He’s right and I don’t even care if he’s not the “right messenger.” Keep waiting for that right messenger, you’ll be like the dog in Futurama.
Whataboutism is at an all time high. Shitty takes are at an all time high.
Reacting to outcomes versus analyzing decision-making processes can be used for pretty much anything and everything. It’s what separates lay people from good front offices, professional poker players, policy thinktanks, scientists, and anyone else who has a high epistemological bar before forming an opinion on something.
Nothing but facts.
They were down by a million points. Do some basic risk reward analysis
Isn’t this the guy that tweeted Ime Udoka was the first Celtics black head coach?
Spare me the “the media doesn’t want the truth, they want the most convenient narrative”
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Not just that, he is coming off of an injury to the same hamstring that kept him out multiple games twice this season. He was grabbing at it after a fall early in the game. He was not at all effective. And he was barely rotating on defense because of it. Annnnnd you have to know losing him for any long period sinks your season at this point. This inability to understand context is scary and honestly reminds me why we are in the political situation we are in rn…sad
Truth!
Wow. I couldn’t agree more. And I totally approve the tone.
What happened to the game I love?
It’s what the people demand. Sucks ass but it’s just like the shouting head shows were for the boomers, the next generation of lowest common denominators love mindless reaction content.
Giannis was selfish for wanting to play too. Players can never win. They will always be the bad guy for everything.
I don’t blame JJ specifically but with the playoffs so close and my team down 30 I’m shutting my franchise player down for the night.
Depending on that MRI their season is over trying to make a 30 point comeback when the lakers outside of OKC have a very easy schedule and Denver will at best prob split SAS I don’t see them winning both
Well if this ain’t the pot calling the kettle black.
Didn’t this dude make a career off of “content” takes alongside Stephen A?
He’s known for taking the most minuscule Reddit thread narratives and blowing them up for clicks.
99% of the discourse around sports now days is about creating content and getting clicks.
It’s ESPN for ENTERTAINMENT and Sports Programming Network, not JSPN for Journalism. Entertainment is literally in the name.
An hour after they posted their Aspiration story yesterday, ESPN posted an article glazing the Clippers new stadium, pushing the Aspiration article lower on it’s feed.
Spot on take.
Haven’t heard any media analysis yet but any of them questioning playing Luka at that time who also say players are soft for taking rest days on game days deserve all the smoke
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You’re the target audience for the media slop that he is talking about. Luka a grown ass man who made his decision.
Thats not how that works teams shut players down all the time
But it’s an open discussion w the player. Luka like Kobe has the mentality that you go out there and play. And he was at the cusp of his recovery window. He could have been shut down, and injured in the next game. Shit happens but it was ult prolly up to Luka
Curious - did you listen to the video in it’s entirety? Specifically the part about playoff seeding and Luka’s input?
The playoff seeding argument is a little dumb when you analyze it. Outside okc. The lakers play the jazz, suns and golden state. Denver has spurs 2x, okc, Memphis and the trailblazers.
When you’re down 30 and your franchise player has been grimacing all game and your 2nd option has been grimacing all game. Continuing to play them 2 weeks before the playoffs just doesnt make much sense. Denver will drop atleast 2 (depending on seeding okc might let them win)
But even outside seeding. Lakers are better off going into the playoffs healthy at a lower seed than fighting for the 3rd. All roads lead to okc or spurs anyways it’s not like you get to dodge one
Also the lakers have the tiebreaker over Denver
Lakers were getting blown out should’ve taken him out of the game by then
Yeah anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
He’s your best player, hobbling up and down the court for an entire half in a game that doesn’t matter, weeks before the playoffs.
They just watched him die instead of throwing in the towel lol. To anyone watching the game that injury was expected.
But muh mamba mentality though 🙄
Kinda with you, I was disappointed the game got out of hand so fast, wanted to see a good game
Down 35+ in the 3rd on the road against the best team, yeah I’m calling a timeout and putting in the bench
But I get the competitiveness from the coaches and players in not wanting to fold and trying to attempt to make the game respectable
Plus Luka would make that decision again since he was playing for an mvp vs the mvp
There was zero chance, contextually, that he was going to be any higher in the mvp race after that game. Hell say he balled out and the Lakers won, he may have bumped his chances to like 5-10 percent instead of 1 percent. But by the third there was a 0 percent chance because he played awful and anyone could see there was 0.00000000000000000000001 percent chance of making it even a 5 point game lol
I believe in load management actually and given how teams have responded to calf strains this year, most of the NBA agrees with me. Next man up.
That sums up most modern sports journalism quite well.
We are reacting to outcomes and calling it analysis. This is the podcast bro era. It has taken over mainstream.
Ya, but Thibs overplayed his players… That’s why we don’t respect what Jay Williams has to say.
Amen.
why does this feel like chatgpt or is my brain fried forever. the “its not, its..” and “thing disguised as thing” really irks me now these days
If Doncic came out the second he started feeling that his leg wasn’t right, he would have been mocked and criticized. That’s the world we live in.
He tried to play through, got hurt and some people still mock him.
He’s right but the bar for analysis is also in the floor at ESPN.
These players are all extreme competitors at their core. No top player willingly sits out. Almost all of them want to be on the floor.
Skunk behaviour from the media.
Chat GPT wrote this for him, not that it’s invalid tho
Nah, they were down 30, and JJ has been playing Austin and Luka major minutes. He should have shut them down as soon as they tweaked injuries. But JJ is hard headed, so that’s what we get.
I think the reason why JJ’s such an obvious target for blame is that the circumstances are more complicated than that. Los Angeles was getting their backs blown out and the game was out of hand, there was no point keeping anyone in at that point. They made a call to see if they could make something happen in the first half of the third quarter despite Luka seemingly already having an issue with the hamstring, and it came back to bite them… it’s unfortunate but how ‘bad’ a decision it was is a matter of degrees. If it worked, people would be lauding his call. But everyone’s also remembering last year in the playoffs when JJ utterly mismanaged the team in game four, effectively gassing his starters right out of the series.
Obviously injuries happen, but when you make a call that winds up being wrong but also have a history of making calls that happen to be wrong about how much to play your stars and when, this is completely foreseeable.
How you gonna blame the coach for playing his player if the player wants to play?
I agree, for people to imply JJ should just throw in the towel vs the 1 seed Defending champs OKC after one half is disingenuous.
It was going to happen in the playoffs anyways. Lakers wasn’t gonna make the finals let’s be honest people.
Who did the media blame for Jay Williams being ass after his motorcycle accident?
Luka ain’t leaving scoring only 12 points. If he had 22, then he might allow someone to show him to a seat.
He’s right 100%.
I never fault players for sitting out games. This game is faster than it used to be so injuries like hamstring ones are more prevalent.
I completely agree with him.
the coaching staff decided on playing luka for 6 minutes and if the lead went down a significant amount they would have kept playing him, if not they would have sat him. not a bad decision at all, just unlucky he got injured in those 6 minutes
Ay man. I’m tired of these close up camera angles.
Respect
Respect what?
People like Jay Williams aren’t trying to change nor he ever had a will to fix the system, hes optimizing within it, he benefits from this. Criticizing media while being paid by media is hypocrisy. Controlled criticism is part of the product.
The fuck hes talking to us for? Talk to your own boss, talk to your own coworker. Thats respect.
Mofucker probably do this so that next in First Take they can talk about this take where he as a puppet plays the contradictory side, and his coworker plays the opposite. It keeps happening over and over again.
So again, what exactly is there to respect?
I respect the point he’s making. He’s bringing attention to something that is plaguing us all… lack of media literacy. You are welcome to your own take.
Well yeah I think he’s right that the media discourse is disingenuous but look at our news and general media discourse nowadays! He is wrong thinking that Luka shoulda kept playing without thinking big picture so late in the season on a re injured hamstring tho…if it aint Luka, JJ has to take him out. He wasn’t even impacting the game - a play earlier he literally dribbled the ball off of his foot at the slightest pressure from dort lol
This is actually a lazier take.
What happened to Luka would not have been load management. Lebron and AR and the other starters were put out to start the second half, as they should.
But we have eyes. We saw Luka be visibly hurt in the first half. I know hindsight is 20⁄20, but I don’t think there would have been riots if he was shut down after half.
Luka would miss half the games if he were taken out every time he limps. His legs have a lot of wear and tear already.