DirtAndShovels | Spurs

189 | 11 hours ago

Horse man good.

HelpOpening4996

8 | 10 hours ago

Which horseman is he ?

ksn0vaN7

8 | 8 hours ago

BoJack

oliverseasky | Raptors

7 | 6 hours ago

BoJackic

CO_Golf13

3 | an hour ago

BoJokic was right there

NoBee726

4 | 9 hours ago

Hunger, of course - poor man starves the whole season (just check before and after pics) :)))

IdRatherBeLurkingToo | Nuggets

1 | 9 hours ago

Famine obv lol

Suspicious-Whippet

1 | 8 hours ago

Not from the pictures of Jokic I’ve seen.

netassetvalue93 | Celtics

0 | 6 hours ago

Conquest

DidAnyoneElseJustCum | Cavaliers

2 | 10 hours ago

Horse man go neigh

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-74 | 11 hours ago

victors better

YoYoMavaIous | Spurs

34 | 11 hours ago

Why we gotta do this? Just appreciate greatness

swizznastic

5 | 11 hours ago

Has it ever been this bad? The luka stans are driving me nuts this year

jraymcmurray | Slovenia

5 | 11 hours ago

Dude they’re driving me nuts too and I’m one of them. It’s so embarrassing. If there’s an MVP for fans of MVP finalists the Wemby fans have been the best imo and Luka/SGA stans are unbearable.

Outside-Way-3924 | Spurs

4 | 10 hours ago

Some of us on the team’s subreddit have been pretty unbearable. Surprisingly the Jokic stans have been fine this year.

jraymcmurray | Slovenia

3 | 10 hours ago

I don’t count the team subreddit, we should all be allowed to punch holes in our own walls. Bringing into public is where I get annoyed. I very rarely see Jokic stans being an issue, you’re right.

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-3 | 10 hours ago

I don’t count the team subreddit, we should all be allowed to punch holes in our own walls. Bringing into public is where I get annoyed. I very rarely see Jokic stans being an issue, you’re right.

Detonation | Pistons

1 | an hour ago

Downplaying how obnoxious Wemby fanboys have been acting is crazy.

jraymcmurray | Slovenia

1 | an hour ago

Just saying I haven’t seen it. 🤷

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-3 | 10 hours ago

Some of us on the team’s subreddit have been pretty unbearable. Surprisingly the Jokic stans have been fine this year.

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-6 | 10 hours ago

Dude they’re driving me nuts too and I’m one of them. It’s so embarrassing. If there’s an MVP for fans of MVP finalists the Wemby fans have been the best imo and Luka/SGA stans are unbearable.

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

1 | 10 hours ago

Has it ever been this bad? The luka stans are driving me nuts this year

Elyx_117

0 | 10 hours ago

Do what?

It’s not hating to compare great NBA players on the fking NBA sub.

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-1 | 10 hours ago

Horse man vs slenderman, we all win in the end

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

13 | 11 hours ago

“How can I make this accomplishment about another player who is only 22 and has yet to accomplish anything”

swizznastic

6 | 11 hours ago

Horse man vs slenderman, we all win in the end

jraymcmurray | Slovenia

-2 | 11 hours ago

Based

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-2 | 10 hours ago

Based

RapsareChamps_Suckit | Clippers

-10 | 11 hours ago

no its Luka

Zestyclose_Spare_760 | Charlotte Bobcats

-22 | 11 hours ago

don’t care about internet points, wemby still better

SplitOk186

175 | 11 hours ago

Stats are always increasing but I think Jokic will hold the triple double record for a while once he breaks it

The only player right now getting triple doubles at a super high rate is Luka and Jokic gets more assists and rebounds so he should still be gaining ground as long as he’s a high-usage player

He’s completely one of a kind as a center who averages 10+ assists I don’t think it’s going to be easy at all for anyone to match those numbers given that Westbrook is already a huge outlier for guard rebounds

Lmao1903 | NBA

53 | 8 hours ago

No its definitely gonna be Jokic, Luka can’t catch him, he is a big, he’ll get 10+ rebounds way more often than Luka especailly as Luka ages. And the assists seems to be coming in at a much higer rate than anyone in the league. Luka will probably catch him on the most X amount of points triple doubles, like maybe 20-25-30-35 and so on.

JTBeefboyo

45 | 4 hours ago

Stats are always increasing

Well this is simply not true lol

Stats are currently increasing, but historically we’ve seen rules changes and other factors that have lead to increases and decreases in scoring, pace, etc.

Electricpoopsoup | Spurs

2 | 4 hours ago

We will probably get a stream of players that grew up idolizing Jokic and have new versions of him like how Tatum, SGA, and a bunch of other guys modeled themselves after Kobe.

CustodialApathy | Knicks

16 | 4 hours ago

Starting 5 with a pass first mentality so the team overpasses on every possession and loops back around to being the worst offense in the league

Littlemandigger | Magic

-6 | 10 hours ago

Eh giddey could have triple double average, and in the future there will be more and more players who can do it. Not centers tho

greenwhitehell

22 | 6 hours ago

He’d need to up his rebounding average by over 1.5 a game, that is far from likely

Spemanz92 | Thunder

3 | 3 hours ago

Westbrook upped his rebounding from 6 into 11 in 4 seasons.

Giddey is truly an elite rebounder at his position and he is still young. If he plays for a coach that wants him to gobble more easy rebounds to start transition faster, he can easily, he will get to 10 eventually. I wouldnt be surprised if giddey gets atleast 1 triple double season, he is already flirting with it and he is still very young

bigpapi-did-steroids | Spurs

125 | 11 hours ago

We can make the MVP award into a cake and just split it 4 ways how about that?

Effective_Newt6164

32 | 11 hours ago

Honestly it’s sucks feeling obligated to pick one player among to be the best. I just want to enjoy them being excellent

vexxes | WAS

27 | 10 hours ago

Who’s stopping you?

Less-Tax5637 | Knicks

19 | 8 hours ago

Yeah last I checked none of us vote for this shit lol

TheBigBomma | Thunder

4 | 6 hours ago

4 way tie among the voters, let’s do it

fuzzythinker | Nuggets

7 | 11 hours ago

That wouldn’t be MVP, those would be QVPs - Quarter Value Player

cagemyelephant_ | Nuggets

3 | 10 hours ago

“Most” is not 100% it probably is 90-95%

ChickenNoddaSoup

5 | 11 hours ago

Every single one really have a shot. Whoever wins, I will be fine with it. Really would just come down to who the voters prefer.

imslightlyhandsome

-3 | 11 hours ago

Sengun!

deino1703 | Rockets

-1 | 10 hours ago

dont try to speak positively about the rockets on this sub

swizznastic

2 | 11 hours ago

Why should luka have to share cake? Cant you see he deserves it all??? Hes literally been starving himself since the MEDIA gave him an EATING DISORDER, or are you BLIND??

Icy-Environment-6606

1 | 3 hours ago

If shai/wemby/or luka were putting up the stats jokic was putting up they would say they were having a crazy season and if jokic was putting up any of those guys’s numbers they would call it a down season for jokic. Its voters fatigue sadly.

PatoNani | Thunder

1 | 21 minutes ago

Not really. Every candidate has super-elite qualities the other candidates don’t have.

Shai: efficiency, low turnovers, clutch gene

Wemby: Rim protection, defensive gravity

Luka: offensive gravity, scoring volume,

Jokic: PRA-dominance, passing game, low post scoring

Just because Jokic has the prettiest looking pra stats it doesn’t mean he hast the best individual season.

qqbeef

1 | 10 hours ago

Are you Lindsay Lohan at the end of mean girls?

darth_butcher | Mavericks

1 | 9 hours ago

A MVP award in a team sport is unnecessary to begin with. But the US sport just loves every statistic available, individual awards and HOFs.

Even without all these the best players would always stand out by the eye-test alone.

kg005 | Thunder

1 | 5 hours ago

Sixth man is the most absurd award. It’s like participation trophies.

kadsto

1 | 7 hours ago

https://youtu.be/3nB7ysvUQVo?si=esLK9NEfUEWwQnTF

SeriouusDeliriuum

-3 | 9 hours ago

Jokic has three slices already, Wemby or Luka could use a piece.

ghostninja33 | Knicks

-9 | 11 hours ago

Luka has been on a tear but he’s not as good the other 3. SGA is the most efficient 30 PPG+ scorer outside of 2016 Curry, Jokic is averaging a triple-double, Wemby is an ailen 2 way player who is a revolution on defense. Luka is somewhere from 1st - 3rd in offense and not a good defensive player.

Annual_Maintenance30

4 | 11 hours ago

how long are we gonna have this narrative that he isnt good on defence if anything this season hes actually pretty good on that end of the floor

ghostninja33 | Knicks

-2 | 11 hours ago

Doesn’t make him MVP. If you want scoring, you vote SGA. If you want two-way you vote Wemby. If you want PRA you vote Jokic. Every argument for Luka applies to SGA except SGA is a much more efficient scorer and scores at a higher rate relative to minutes.

Annual_Maintenance30

2 | 11 hours ago

i know you did not just put two way and “jokic” in the same sentence😭

ghostninja33 | Knicks

1 | 11 hours ago

He’s a better two-way better than Luka and also has more PRA (what every Luka fan brings up). Luka is at BEST the second best NBA player of the season.

Annual_Maintenance30

-1 | 11 hours ago

eyetest would tell you that luka is a much better defender than jokic, jokic is 7 foot and still extremely lazy on that end, lets not try and push this narrative that jokic is a two way player he is an offensive engine and theres nothing wrong with that

luka has single handedly pulled the lakers to a third seed with easily one of the worst supporting casts in the west, not gonna use the argument that if you put other mvps in his position they can do the same because thats a stupid argument, but to pull a cast of that shitty calibre definitely makes him the best player in the league in my eyes

ghostninja33 | Knicks

0 | 11 hours ago

SGA is a better version of Luka. Just more efficient with less turnovers. Not a much worse of a passer, much better defender, and rebounding isn’t exactly the thing you are choosing guards over.

greywolf2155 | Supersonics

119 | 11 hours ago

We are kind of numb to this greatness. He could literally put up 0/0/0 for the remainder of the season and still average a triple double. That’s nuts. That’s absolutely nuts

TomatoSecure192

40 | 10 hours ago

The same way people were numb to Westbrook doing it for 3 years straight, insanity

greywolf2155 | Supersonics

23 | 9 hours ago

I got one even cooler than that, I think:

Although he was was slightly under 10 on rebounds or assists some years (but over on others), if you average Oscar’s numbers from 1960-1964, he put up 30.³⁄₁₀.⁴⁄₁₀.6

Averaged a triple-double for a half a decade. How badass is that?

TomatoSecure192

11 | 9 hours ago

If I remember correctly the big O should still have the most 30 point triple doubles. Extremely underrated scorer and passer

yeahright17 | Thunder

6 | 3 hours ago

Given Westbrook averaged a triple double 4 out of 5 years, I’d assume he averaged a triple double for a 5 year span as well.

livefreeordont | 76ers

1 | 3 hours ago

He did

Appropriate-Door1369

2 | 4 hours ago

Nah people were trashing Westbrook when he was doing it calling him a stat padder and a bad teammate

Puzzleheaded-Bill654

-8 | 10 hours ago

agreed but to be fair it is like 7 games or something

greywolf2155 | Supersonics

23 | 10 hours ago

I feel like you’re proving my point, here. Being able to put up 0/0/0 for the next 5 games and still average a triple-double is bonkers

Puzzleheaded-Bill654

-9 | 9 hours ago

If you were to play 60 games, and be able to 0-0-0 for 5 games and average a triple double, you’d need to average under 11-11-11. So while it’s impressive, it’s not that far over a triple double across a full season.

greywolf2155 | Supersonics

15 | 9 hours ago

Right, but 11/11/11 has only ever been averaged twice in NBA history. That is not an easy mark to hit

Puzzleheaded-Bill654

-3 | 9 hours ago

true, but only 3 guys have ever even averaged 10-10-10, its not pushing it that much further - especially when these players often care about reaching that 10 mark but no further

greywolf2155 | Supersonics

4 | 9 hours ago

(well, only 3 guys, but 7 different seasons)

Regardless, I hope we’re all just appreciating that this kind of ball is fun to watch!

chazriverstone | Knicks

65 | 10 hours ago

I’m not saying Jokic should be MVP - not even getting into that lol - but I really have not been hearing enough about this back to back triple double OR his leading the league in rebounds and assists per game.

I mean, no one has done that before. Wilt led in TOTAL assists and rebounds, but finished 2nd in APG (to Oscar, no less) - and that was 1968…

Definitely feels like one of those situations where people are getting so used to it all that its being missed - like ‘of course he’s doing something no one’s done before; that’s just what he does!’ lol

PeopleCallMeSimon

21 | 6 hours ago

Because people in the media are tired of the interview-averse non-marketing interested Serbian with broken English.

Wemby would be a perfect MVP for the media, so they are hyping him up any chance they get. But I think the people with votes are luckily a bit more purist than that and will vote based on basketball skills. Sadly, they all seem to think that MVP is a team award.

Appropriate-Door1369

20 | 4 hours ago

The media doesn’t want Jokic to win mvp anymore dude lol. They are all on the Wemby train now even though Jokic is still better. I mean damn Richard Jefferson and Tim Legler were on their knees for Wemby last night when they were commenting on the game

Total-Big-1019

17 | 10 hours ago

yea lmao literally anyone getting his kind of statlines with his kind of usage (he has much lower usage rate than SGA and luka for example) would be the talk of the town - if anyone had put his B2B statline where he had something crazy like 46/35/36 or something, it would probably have cemented them for MVP. all except jokic

DamnZodiak | Toronto Huskies

3 | 9 hours ago

anyone getting his kind of statlines with his kind of usage (he has much lower usage rate than SGA and luka for example)

Getting more assists, by definition, decreases your usage. Usage is just play-ending percentage.

PatoNani | Thunder

1 | 35 minutes ago

Usage rate has zero influence on assists. It’s way more about touches and Jokic leads the league in touches for multiple seasons.

Total-Big-1019

1 | 11 minutes ago

if anything more touches means he obviously hogs the ball less, i’m not even just talking about assists. just looking at scoring alone should lend him credence in how much his teammates are involved usually

Icy-Environment-6606

3 | 3 hours ago

I made the comment if any of those other guys were putting up jokic’s numbers they would run away with the award no question. Its just its jokic doing it its jokic being jokic which sucks for him.

waveshineoosupsmash

1 | 24 minutes ago

Jokic’s numbers since returning from injury, especially his shooting splits, are significantly compared to his numbers before the injury. Even though he is averaging 25/13/10 since returning from injury, it is such a stark decline compared to what he was doing before that people don’t realize it’s still absurd.

That injury really ruined one of the greatest individual statistical seasons we’d ever seen. His shooting splits were fucking crazy, 66% from 2 and 44% from 3 while averaging a 30 point triple double leading the league in rebounds and assists lol

EliachTCQ | Celtics

-11 | 5 hours ago

Not taking a shot at Jokic here or anything, brilliant player. But you’re talking about rebounds and assists here. Rebounds and assists are just not that fun or interesting you know? And they’re also just not as important. It’s really hard to hype somebody up because of their rebounds and assists.

Throwaway7218516 | Heat

7 | 4 hours ago

You realize 4 more assists is objectively more important than 4 more points because it means you are creating a minimum of 8 more points?

EliachTCQ | Celtics

-7 | 4 hours ago

Yeah I don’t think this is true. You can’t always take full credit for the points scored after your assist. Sure sometimes you find that beautiful dime that allows someone free passage for a layup, but most times the person you pass to still has to make some shot, of varying difficulty. An assist only signifies involvement in scoring, doesn’t tell you if the player “created” anything.

So all this number tells me is that Jokic involves his teammates more and that is a part of his playstyle. This definitely is one of the parts of his game that make him brilliant but I don’t agree that his 4 assists is “objectively more important” than someone else’s 4 points.

LogDogan8

3 | 3 hours ago

That same logic applies to those points, BTW. How much of the credit for someone’s scoring should the guys passing to him get? How about screens, spacing from shooters, etc.?

EliachTCQ | Celtics

-5 | 3 hours ago

True, which is why MVP isn’t automatically given to the highest scorer. But it’s also not given automatically to a player that averaged a triple double.

LogDogan8

3 | 3 hours ago

No one said that.

EliachTCQ | Celtics

-1 | 3 hours ago

The comment I originally replied to was implying that Jokic deserves MVP specifically because he’s first in assists and rebounds (incidentally also the only guy averaging a triple double). So I’d say yeah someone said that.

Throwaway7218516 | Heat

4 | 3 hours ago

Implied Jokic deserves MVP while explicitly saying “I’m not saying Jokic should be MVP” 😂

EliachTCQ | Celtics

1 | 3 hours ago

Oh yeah nice catch.

So if someone said “I’m not saying that the earth is flat, BUT I do see these seemingly very convincing arguments that it might actually be”.

Are they really not implying the they do actually think it’s flat?

Throwaway7218516 | Heat

2 | 3 hours ago

I mean logically that’s just not how it works. The points exist when an assist is tallied. The person you pass to having to make some shot of varying difficulty applies to anyone who gets an assist. If the sample size is hundreds of games where Jokic is getting over 10 assists in those hundreds of games, then the logical conclusion is that he is getting his teammates easier shots. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be making the shots for the assists over such a large sample size. Even just on paper, if you had two guys and one averaged 20 points and 0 assists, and the other averaged 16 points and 4 assists and they’re both shooting the same efficiency, everyone in the world is taking the ¹⁶⁄₄ guy. And I didn’t even address your rebounding point which again is just wrong. Rebounds directly translate to possessions.

EliachTCQ | Celtics

-1 | 3 hours ago

What you’re saying only makes sense if we’re comparing players of identical profile and we’re not. Otherwise you would also have to say that Jokic is a better player than Jordan was. One involves his teammates the other primarily scores. Would everyone in the world take Jokic over MJ?

Throwaway7218516 | Heat

3 | 2 hours ago

We are comparing players of identical profile? That was the whole point of my argument is that if you have 2 exact same players, but one averages 4 more assists and the other 4 more points, then you take the guy with the assists because assists are objectively worth more points. If we are going back to your original argument, then you’re still wrong because you cannot name a player in the history of the nba who averaged double digit assists and was not getting easier looks for his teammates.

Jokic is a better offensive player than Jordan was btw. MJ was limited by his time and may be better if he played today, but Jokic is just objectively better if we are talking about strictly offensive ability.

EliachTCQ | Celtics

0 | 2 hours ago

I guess I misread your comment, I thought you were comparing Jokic to SGA since Jokic averages roughly 4 more assists and 4 less points than SGA. You’re saying these assists are overall more valuable, I’m saying they’re not, that’s all there is to it.

And yeah I’m not even getting into debating Jokic vs Jordan but your take is definitely an original one I’ll give you that

Throwaway7218516 | Heat

3 | 2 hours ago

I mean yeah, but you’re still just objectively wrong and you presented nothing to support your argument lol.

Jordan didn’t shoot 3s, shot significantly worse percentages, and was not in the same league as a passer. There’s really no argument you can make for him as a better offensive player. Again, not his fault cuz that was just the game at the time, but it’s reality.

EliachTCQ | Celtics

0 | 2 hours ago

What argument do I even need to make? He’s the best scorer ever and also considered the greatest player ever (weird coincidence). The only in game stat he’s got going for him is the best career PPG and somehow that’s enough to make him the GOAT. Crazy right, almost as if points mattered most in this game.

BetweenTheBuzzAndMe | Charlotte Bobcats

37 | 11 hours ago

He’s also basically locked up being the league leader in both RPG and APG. Insane

DonHomer92 | Spurs

17 | 11 hours ago

they should just break the MVP trophy into pieces and hand the pieces out like Mean Girls

RapsareChamps_Suckit | Clippers

-5 | 11 hours ago

I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshxt

GotKarprar | Mavericks

8 | 10 hours ago

Mean girls is fantastic

ru_benz | Warriors

6 | 9 hours ago

Mean Girls is so fetch

LemonySniffit

1 | 3 hours ago

Hey Chrissy, you give these guys a golf club and they’ll probably try to fuck it

Fidel_Cashflows | Spurs

11 | 5 hours ago

Jokic doesn’t have the rings argument, but you can’t convince me that he’s not a top 10 player. Literally the most complete offensive player in history, there’s nothing on that side of the floor that he can’t do at an all-time level.

The inly arguments against him is his defense (which is just average at worst) and that he doesn’t take a ton of shots.

PatoNani | Thunder

1 | 16 minutes ago

He’s not an all time level three point shooter, not an all time level slasher, not an all time level midrange shooter, not an all time level free throw shooter.

JackoFlaco

8 | 11 hours ago

And he probably gives no shits

Apprehensive-Rain601 | Lakers

5 | 9 hours ago

We’ve become numb to greatness some things that are happening just this year alone are so insane it’s almost like we’re oversaturated

PoonGo0n | Spurs

3 | 11 hours ago

Truly insane. Vic needs a bit more offensive development to surpass Joker as best in the world but maybe next year it’s an argument.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

20 | 11 hours ago

If Wemby starts putting together offensive nights like he did tonight more often he’ll just be the most unstoppable player to ever touch the court lol. He’s the coming successor.

Muntberg

1 | 10 hours ago

He’s literally going to be learning and developing for at least 4 more years before you see a true prime

SeriouusDeliriuum

1 | 9 hours ago

These playoffs will be a great barometer for him. Tell us which way the wind is blowing.

EightBlocked | NBA

0 | 10 hours ago

unfortunately he cant go against the warriors every game

Jec1027 | Warriors

7 | 11 hours ago

Vic with jokic tier offense is the best player ever what lmao

greenwhitehell

2 | 6 hours ago

Vic with Jokic tier offense surpasses Messi as the best player ever for any sport with some type of worldwide appeal. He doesn’t need to become nearly that good on offense to become the Basketball GOAT, especially if he solidifies himself as the best defender ever as I think he will

Shame_Low | DEN

2 | 9 hours ago

Wemby coming man, just hope nuggets can win within the nxt 3 years

fuzzythinker | Nuggets

4 | 11 hours ago

The MVP is likely his to loose had he not had the injury. At the very least, it would make the race much tighter like ¹⁄₂, ³⁄₄ instead of the current 1, ²⁄₃, 4

sully9614 | Celtics

4 | 11 hours ago

In a just world this man should have 5 MVP’s in a row. Undeniably the best player of his generation imo

PatoNani | Thunder

1 | 8 minutes ago

Nah Embiid and Shai deserved their MVPs and honestly he benifited from Giannis voter fatigue back in 2021

penguin_torpedo | Nuggets

3 | 10 hours ago

Wait so he could put up a Tony Snell on every game left and still average a trip double?

nbaistheworst

3 | 4 hours ago

And he’s the only player in history to do it while leading the league in both rebounds and assists. That deserves credit.

mellted_cheese

3 | 44 minutes ago

Leading the entire league in rebounds and assists per game is so fucking insane people need to just like sit with that for a bit

Griffdog17 | Nuggets

2 | 11 hours ago

The shrine I have created for him in my apartment has been paying off

OtherwisePollution96

2 | an hour ago

how is he not the best of all time?

cough_landing_on_you

1 | 11 hours ago

He should join the Kings next

vapemyashes | Timberwolves

1 | 11 hours ago

JokAnt Lukambyama

SurlyWet

1 | 9 minutes ago

just call him the best ever. Don’t be afraid

PatoNani | Thunder

1 | 7 minutes ago

His allround offensive production is on an all time level. Nobody can fill the stat sheets better than him.

manimsoblack

0 | an hour ago

With all those fake assists at home it makes sense.

Classic_File2716

-2 | an hour ago

When Jokic averages triple doubles he’s a god when Westbrook did it he was an overrated stat padder…..

chris-dempsey |

-2 | 10 hours ago

He should average 10+ assists per game in the remaining games to maintain this trip dub average, right?

rcoffers | Thunder

-5 | 4 hours ago

They NEVER mention this Europeans defense lol

MelzLife | 76ers

-7 | 5 hours ago

Helps when you get fake assists

nbaistheworst

3 | 4 hours ago

Everyone does.

Jokic becomes second player ever to average a triple double in back to back seasons!