Michael Jordan on who is the GOAT “There’s no such thing as a GOAT”.
Agreed, greatest is ever changing. Some days it’s MJ and some days when I go 7⁄7 at the Y in my rec league it’s me.
LePerfect
Let’s be real
You never went 7⁄7
Once I went 4⁄5 taking over and man, I felt such a high lol, never again have I gone close to that. Highlight of my life for sure
I shut down the game defensively. Had two blocks and a steal in crunch time. Including a chase down block off the backboard. The whole park was hyping me up. I go back a week later to hear “dude did the Lebron chase down block” (absolutely not lol, I started running from a little near the free throwline) That’s a high I never forgot.
You’re either pretty tall or have significant vertical?
Bro even making two shots in a row sends me to cloud 9 because I hardly get passed the ball (maybe it’s because I’m the tallest guy on the court but stay behind the arc bc I’m weak (and white)), but when I actually get the ball and make a shot, then make a second one and I leave my hand up bc it feels good, then swish…
Man I have low confidence in myself, but I’ll be walking off that court with my head held high and a smirk on my face. Bonus points if I make more than 2 shots.
One time I went to 7⁄11
He probably did but stopped shooting the 2nd half of the game and his team lost, because he wanted to one day say he went 7⁄7 in his rec league
Worth it!
chef’s kiss
Against plumbers?
Nah, those guys are too good. Against middle schoolers
who’s to say you can’t be the GOAT, even if we’re just for one game
No but you’re actually right and this is so much more poetic than you realise in the way that it captures the spirit of basketball.
Didn’t happen unless you held up a sign with that stat around all the other people changing out of their knee braces post game.
“A goat is a farm animal, I am a mythical beast.”
“What the fuck does that even mean,Michael Jordan?”
Ironically, that might be the GOAT commercial. I’ve heard it quoted by people who don’t even know what the context is and don’t even watch basketball.
You’re Welcome.
*edit* “Maybe it’s my fault” is up there and a Jordan one. “My Better is better than you better” with the song is crazy good. Nike and the ESPN “This is Sportscenter” killed it in that era. Not even rose colored glasses.
The GOAT basketball commercial for me was Patrick Chewing dunking on Ryan
A Unicorn? Or an Alien?
Lol…
All animals are equal, some are more equal.
A unicorn?
Porzingis has entered the chat
LeBron: “same beast, different animal”
Who has a better story than Paul Pierce
“The broken truth”
Why do you think I shit all this way?
Dude got stabbed 11 times including the face and neck, pooped his shorts in the finals, and explained how easy it is to hire escorts to KG on a livestream. Nobody is topping his story.
Dude got stabbed 11 times including the face and neck, decided to turn into a saiyan, healed from life-threatening injuries and proceeded to start in all 82 of the Celtics games that season. Including a legendary one where he brought fire to the champion Lakers to the tune of 42 points with crazy efficiency, such that after the game reigning MVP Shaq dubbed Pierce ‘The Truth’. Then he pooped his shorts in the finals, won the ring + FMVP, and later explained how easy it is to hire escorts to KG on a livestream. Nobody is topping his story.
Nasty work lol
Paul the pooper
Pooper P
“Paul Pierce not only has a championship ring, and was ten time allstar, but he did it all, after being stabbed. He once hit a game winning bank shot, and when asked if he called bank, he said… I called game”
Paul the Poopypants, first of his name
Lol the that’s really how the end of GOT felt
Perfection. No notes
He won a championship in spite of Doc Rivers.
That’s like a TV Show being good with Dumb & Dumber as the showrunners.
He’s right. In 2100 there could be an 8’1” point guard who averages 40/20/20/0/10. GOAT, no. GOATE (greatest of all time ellapsed), yes.
That’s where I stand. When there’s 7’5 demigod dominating every position, shooing like steph in 50 years and those fans call lebron, KD, etc. plumbers and that they played in a soft era, fans today will argue night and day about how much better the game used to be. Just like how old heads talk about Russell, Magic, Jordan and so on
In 100 years they will be able to 3d print a replacement knee during halftime and season ending injuries of the past will be seen as the weakest era
They’ll need some regulations like in F1, you can change your parts only 3 times a season
So you say Lebron has a chance
No exactly. We’ll see better than Wemby or Jordan or Bron eventually, it’s inevitable. In the 90s there were probably 40 year olds on the radio or TV in Knicks fitted hats yelling at the clouds that George Mikan was the goat and Jordan sucked dick.
More like 60 year olds.. Mikan played 9 years from 46-47 to 57-58.
Before Jordan won his first championship, people & the media were calling him the GOAT or greatest they’ve ever seen.
Honestly, nobody was really arguing about Jordan. He and the bulls were so dominant during those 3peats that there wasn’t much you could say.
That’d didn’t happen though and that’s why Jordan is the GOAT
the moment a better player comes i’ll recognize it personally. im already ready to call wemby the goat when he cleans up his offensive game and gets as consistent as lebron
Jordan fans think that about themselves too.
i have seen a significant amount of jordan fans say the words “nobody will ever surpass jordan.“
… but I’m a fan from this era and I already know basketball peaked in the 00s when 80 points was not a sure thing
I agree that basketball peaked, but since when did 80 points become a sure thing? Bam had to work for that.
GOATSE - greatest of all time second edition
Competition’s gonna be wide open by then
Yeah but 10 years later you’ll just get a 8’3” bionic guy with better shooting and defense anyway
Which is why the best way to assess “greatest” is scaled to era
The “greatest” is the person that was the furthest ahead of their curve scaled to time
Then GOAT might end up being Dolph schayes or Mikan or some shyte
Russell would have a better argument imho. Not only were his peers arguably better, but he dominated them even more
How about Greatest of All Time Still Employed - GOATSE?
Can’t be the GOAT because the GOAT formula includes the geometric mean of the PTS/TRB/AST/STL/BLKs per game.
Wemby
Only the GOAT would say that
Lisan al-Gaib!!
If LeBron says the same thing tomorrow, ESPN will dedicate a whole afternoon to who said it better.
LeBron has definitely had the opportunity to day what Jordan has said and he never does
He has, though. He was asked about it after the 2020 Finals and said it’s something for the media to debate over. But people like to ignore that narrative.
If LeBron said “there is no GOAT” while actively playing, he’d be called a coward for waving the white flag.
I do find it interesting that LeBron and Ronaldo have been outspoken about self-proclaiming themselves as the GOAT, whereas Messi and Jordan never have.
It’s easy when guys say it and they discredit your career. At the same time it’s bull coming from Jordan he’s been caught telling media persons to respect who the goat is(him) yet in public he says there no goat.
It reminds me of how people used to shit on Muhammad Ali for calling himself the greatest. People always prefer athletes to act a certain way. It’s amusing.
Ali was also a black Muslim activist during the 1960s who refused to fight in Vietnam. If you weren’t part of the counterculture, calling him out for saying he was the greatest was just an excuse to hate on him.
Being insecure vs Aura
Ronaldo is Saudi’s personal bitch
Jordan doesn’t have to make an argument and that’s why he’s the GOAT
He knows he’s the GOAT but its better for his image to be diplomatic about the question instead of outright saying it. When the public doesn’t view you as the GOAT, it’s easier to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder and wanna make the case for yourself. (LeBron, Ronaldo)
exactly
If you have to argue you’re the goat you’re not the goat. It’s that simple.
LeBron has one soundbite calling himself the GOAT and suddenly he’s outapoken about it. MJ produces a ten episode documentary puff piece but people think he’s the image of humility. Make it make sense lmao.
Ehh? LeBron is nowhere as narcissistic as Ronaldo lol
Messi
“I’m 5’7” and smoke cigarettes, nobody will believe me anyway.”
its not interesting when messi and lebron are significantly better than ronaldo and jordan
Lebron is better at winning fewer MVP’s, Finals MVP’s, rings, scoring titles, steals titles, All-defensive teams, DPOY’s.
None of the above matters because Lebron is a point forward and that automatically makes him better even if it didn’t lead to better results and effectiveness.
“Any man who must say ‘I am the King’ is no true king” - MJ, Tywin.
As it is written!
So humble
The GOAT is too humble to say he is the GOAT… even more reason to know he is!
Even the soccer 🐐, Zlatan, says that he’s not the goat…
Mmmmk. But when I call out the bill Russel erasure I get told different eras don’t matter.
What say you people now?? Your so called goat think yall are just as ridiculous as everyone else.
Doesn’t matter he’s been saying this for decades and the lot still argues about it daily. The GOAT is whomever you chose to be and it’s no changing your mind. Pointless debate
I mean he’s been saying this for decades and people continue to have this discussion
It’s genuinely crazy how many people love making goat debates while not having watched a lot of the players that played the game. I get doing it for fun and all that but people get heated about debates on this and being right.
George Mikan erasure is even crazier.
Bill Russell is at least often mentioned in top 5 all time convos.
George Mikan is nowhere to be seen, despite dominating the league and winning 5 rings in 6 years.
Go get em Perse!! Tell em what’s what!
you must clearly not understand. the 30 year gap between the 1960s and the 1990s is huge. 1960s is fraudulent bullshit that doesnt matter. but the 30 year gap between the 1990s and the 2020s is actually nonexistent and somehow we went backwards. basketball will never get better than the 90s!
lol the funniest thing about this decade long argument about who’s the greatest is Jordan consistently shuts down this notion at every turn. Like he doesn’t give a shit yet this will be a discussion probably for the rest of time.
It’d be like getting into a heated argument for a film to win an Oscar only for the director who won going “honestly, I don’t care at all about the Oscar’s and I just make movies for myself” lol
Bob Dylan basically
Gave a shit when he finally green lit the last dance after Bron came back from 3-1 against the best regular season of all time.
C’mon, Jordan of all people is just giving a PR answer. He producd an entire documentary to build his GOAT case, for crying out loud. There is no doubt that he considers himself the greatest, he’s just too savvy to say it out loud lol.
I think for him, he was the greatest of his generation. But he’s consistently said how can he be the goat when Bill Russel exists and has more rings. He’s always said every gen is different
This conversation is so stale. 25 years of the media having the same stupid conversation. We should only talk about GOTT. Greatest of their time.
And LeBron isn’t even the GOTT.
Bait used to be believable
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LeBron or Steph
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Seconded.
Lmao
He’s been looking great since getting into NASCAR
See? Now can we find something else to argue about?
Exactly what a GOAT would say
MJ looks so good at 63. Aging the is the ultimate challenge.
He knows, we all know. But if he says it, people will think he’s an asshole.
Not really. This guy respected the greatness of those who came before him. The 80’s were really different and they had great respect for people that were amazing athletes before them.
That’s a very GOAT thing to say
The GOAT is real and he’s in this video (It’s Tyler Reddick)
He’s being humble
When MJ talks, I listen to
Most humble goat.
Jordan is the best basketball player of all time and the winner, there is no such thing Jordan’s lost nba final 🥇👑
No, you’re still the GOAT, MJ.
Victor. Greatest goat of all time, once mowed the lawns of an entire neighborhood in less than 15 minutes.
How may more times they gonna ask bro the same question? Everyone knows he’s had the answer down pat for 35 years. Talk about something else with my man
He understands the law of scarcity and drops an interview whenever it works in favor of his brand and value. Gotta give him that. Way too many current and former NBA stars go in the opposite direction.
Also, I think MJ’s refusal to answer is a self reinforcing GOAT loop.
Mike has been saying this for decades, now.
https://i.imgur.com/9OQsnfo.jpeg
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Yes Gayle is rocking Swarovski J1s ($1k+)
You must be lying Mr Jordan because I’ve watched Lebron over the years make putting a crown on his head a thing.
goat denier
Don’t look now but MJ lookin like he’s tryna un-retire
Sad sad ‘races’
That is what the goat would say.
They cooking J.Cole on twitter for saying this😭
I on the other hand subscribe to birds aren’t real. Larry Bird was a total conspiracy.
I agree, there should only be the best of every era.
The “greatest” debate has been a barstool standard forever, we just hear it from talking heads more now.
Unless it’s baseball, in which case Ohtani
No goats in this game, only sheep. Plus LeBron.
Jordan is the goat of the 90s
LeBron is the goat of the 10s, 21’ and 22’
Yes, there is. Is 6’9 260 from Akron, Goat James
Only LeBron and Kobe stans really care about who the GOAT is.
And MJ stans.
I mean, I take it you’ve never had r/michaeljordan forced into your feed
And MJ fans, let’s be real here lol
MJ has been calling himself the goat privately for like 30 years there are multiple people who he has blacklisted and refused to work with again because they don’t bend the knee to him and talk about how great he is in the media. Bro has been that way his whole adult life. It’s crazy how people can’t see through this bullshit. When he is talking shit on the court or being a piece of shit off the court people cheer him. He’s been saying this “no goat” bullshit ever since that LeBron video came out where LeBron said 2016 ring makes him the GOAT. then all of a sudden Jordan starts the “no one is the goat, we gotta respect all legends” media tour.
Dumbass take. Hes been saying this since the 90s. Googling is easy, try it out.
That is deeply cynical. He says that this status has been a burden to him and that we learn from the athletes that came before us but that this does not mean that they weren’t as good. It’s a very good sentiment to have and a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of other former players. Why not just take it as is rather than assume that he secretly believes differently?
translation: “i know lebron is better than me because the only argument left is the 2011 finals”
I don’t mind people saying Lebron is the goat. But him collapsing in the 2011 Finals is a stain on his career that can’t be just swept aside.
The Heat should have won that series and he would have another title. They were up 2-1 in the series going into game 4. He scored a grand total of 8 points, the Mavs tied the series, and that’s all she wrote pretty much. If he had played just a little better, the Heat win that game and likely the series.
I remember watching it live just absolutely dumbstruck at what he was doing.
The 2011 Finals failure made him a tougher and better player in the long run, but at the time it led the whole sports world to ridicule LeBron for basically being the epitome of anti-clutch. And he didn’t really start to change that narrative until the Cavs 2016 title.
he was clutch in the 2013 finals when he hit the series winning dagger over kawhi leonard. and before the 2011 finals he has clutch shots and game winners. but i guess one series removes everything ever
I didn’t say one series removes everything. I even said I don’t mind if someone wants to argue LeBron is the goat. But you also can’t use the rest of his career to remove a Finals choke.
And yes, I remember that shot. It was definitely clutch, even Skip gave him flowers. He was incredible that whole series tbh. But I remember the narratives, and whole super team argument still worked against him.
I’m a Heat fan, so I did not agree with it. He won, he was clutch, I defended him.
The wider media and fan landscape shifted way more in 2016 than in 2013, let’s put it that way.
if you wanna talk the media narratives yeah i agree with you
He had this stance since way before Lebron though, he said similar things while he was still playing.
It’s fine if you have a different GOAT than Jordan, but pretending that he has no claim that title is ridiculous. He is one of the most dominant players of all-time on both sides of the court and literally had a fairytale career. You could not write it any better if you wanted to.