No_Stomach_2341

153 | 9 hours ago

Injury robbed us of the greatest statistical season ever. No problem, next year

afjecj | Magic

59 | 5 hours ago

Injury robbed us back in ²³⁄₂₄ too. Embiid was onto an all timer

karmew32 | Pelicans

22 | 5 hours ago

Injury also robbed us in 2016 when Curry slipped on that wet spot.

EmbarrassedRing7806 | Lakers

1 | 3 hours ago

“I’m back!”

Altruistic_Tale8332

140 | 10 hours ago

man those pre-injury numbers are just stupid good, that efficiency was absolutely bonkers. dude was basically playing 2k on rookie mode before he got hurt

wild how we just accept “very good” jokic now when pre-injury he was legitimately having maybe the best offensive season we’ve ever seen

Prize_Ad_1781 | Nuggets

25 | 4 hours ago

The league also completely frontloaded the Nuggets schedule with easy teams to start the season. We didn’t even play Oklahoma until February. They also gave the Thunder an easy start to their season but to a lesser extent. Remember when people were asking if the Thunder were going to finish with 80 wins?

Novel_Scallion_1580

134 | 10 hours ago

It’s funny how recency bias affects the MVP race. If the two halves of his season were switched and he finished the year with a stretch of games averaging 29.⁶⁄₁₂.²⁄₁₁.0 he would be up there for the MVP race.

TheBuggaSmugga

42 | 9 hours ago

i mean duh

p_pio

16 | 9 hours ago

Awards aren’t just a stat thing: results are also important. If a post-injury decline wouldn’t hurt team record, Jokić would still be in MVP talks on par with SGA. Base stats are still there. But it does. So his standing dropped below Luka and Wemby.

EmphasisOk8298

7 | 5 hours ago

Not if Denver was the 5 seed and #22 on defense.

JiveHawk | Bulls

8 | 4 hours ago

Denver is the 4 rn

I know, major difference lol

RunThePnR | NBA

2 | 3 hours ago

Would still depend on the H2H matchup between him and Shai. He should still be 2nd imo.

Hellschampion | Warriors [GSW] #1 Warriors Bandwagon

1 | an hour ago

I mean not really. Luka has had a ridiculous stretch to end the year, but because his narrative didn’t start soon enough because he had a semi-slow middle of the season he’s in fourth and seemingly can’t climb his way into the conversation.

MTheModernist_

-21 | 8 hours ago

Bros acting like the second half of the season isn’t more intense for teams playing for a playoff spot lol

ObiOneKenobae | Knicks

12 | 7 hours ago

It’s been pretty low stakes this year, considering how long everyone has been locked into a play-in spot at minimum. The fight for being 5th seed instead of 6th can only get so heated.

Doyoueverjustlikeugh | Nuggets

6 | 6 hours ago

Luckily the first part of the season doesn’t affect your standings.

Novel_Scallion_1580

4 | 5 hours ago

Am I crazy, or every game is equally important for the playoff spot?

RipCity-NBA-LoL | Trail Blazers

3 | 5 hours ago

On the other hand, there are more teams tanking- and tanking harder- the 2nd half of the season. Example, bucks were playing giannis and trying to win in December/Jan. Today they play the spurs and they will put out a bottom-3 roster in the league.

Spurs are going to win by nearly 30, which will increase Wemby’s odds for MVP. But he’s going to beat them without Giannis, Turner, Portis, Kuz, KPJ, Harris.

Their best player will be ryan rollins, then maybe AJ green?

EmphasisOk8298

2 | 5 hours ago

Half of the games aren’t real basketball games lol. I’d hardly call it more intense.

Gold_Athlete_4770 | Spurs

67 | 9 hours ago

I like how 26/14/11 averages are considered poor for jokic but if any other player was doing that it would be considered a career year

SpeakWithoutFear

43 | 6 hours ago

It would be way, way more than a career year.

throwaway8943265 | Pistons

16 | 4 hours ago

It would be considered one of the greatest years of all time. It’s ridiculously rare to average a triple douple, people are just used to it now because of Russ and Jokic.

ColdCocking | Hornets

58 | 9 hours ago

He was #1 in the MVP race pre-injury

Physical-Savings-986 | Thunder

-78 | 7 hours ago

SGA was over him if i remember correctly

SolarBum | Nuggets

58 | 6 hours ago

You aren’t remembering correctly.

Redvinezzz

11 | 6 hours ago

You’re right if you look at the betting markets (the most accurate indicator) but if you look at the engagement bait ladder article then you’re wrong sooo enjoy your downvotes buddy

IcyMeat7

7 | 5 hours ago

Jokic was either slight favorite or they were equal, I literally remember looking at fanduel MVP odds and seeing it myself late december

This was late december at the time OKC were dropping games and losing a lot for their standards and Jokic just had a 56-16-15 game.

Easy to see from the shitty market sites as they have history

I have also found multiple articles from that time showing Jokic was ahead. NBC article with Jokic at +120, SGA at +125 and another with Jokic +115, SGA +135 both late december just days before the injury

Physical-Savings-986 | Thunder

-24 | 5 hours ago

I made a reasonable and somewhat valid argument, yet got downvoted heavily. That’s what you get for speaking against their lord and saviour Jokic

IcyMeat7

14 | 5 hours ago

What was your reasonable and valid argument? You just said if you remember correctly and you remberered wrong there was no reason or valid lol go on play the victim card though blindly trusting that guy when he’s wrong, you were just begging to say “That’s what you get for speaking against their lord and saviour Jokic” for any reason huh

NBC Article had him with better odds and even quote from it

Nikola Jokic did everything he could to boost his stock on Christmas Day and it worked. Jokic has overtaken Shai Gilgeous-Alexander for the first time at all sports books, and while it’s only a \(5 difference between a \)100 bet — a lead is a lead.

Starting on Dec. 27, Denver goes on a seven-game road trip that ends on Jan. 7. The Nuggets start in Orlando and finish the trip in Boston. Success on their longest road trip of the season is either a trampoline for Jokic’s odds or a worst case scenario if they end up with a losing record or close to it through seven games

Another article found online

Oddschecker uses various sites to show the average betting odds for the current MVP favorites

Nikola Jokic: +115

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: +135

Oh and you can just go look on polymarket and kalshi and see Jokic overtook SGA late december as they show history easier

ColdCocking | Hornets

10 | 5 hours ago

Your argument wasn’t reasonable or valid, you were wrong and got DV’d.

dostorwell

53 | 7 hours ago

Haliburton was averaging 24 points and 13 assists on 2.5 turnovers before hurting his hammy in 2023 2024.

Also Doncic had 34/9/10 in that season

EightBlocked | NBA

12 | 4 hours ago

man i miss haliburton

dostorwell

7 | 4 hours ago

Me too. Not to say he was the front runner, but he was in MVP talks.

I hope he can return to that form

OrganicHunt952

35 | 10 hours ago

If you’ve watched these games it’s a different story though then these stats show. The defence has been horrible very bad, bad body language he won’t try to attempt shots when teams needs it and they’ll try to go for late come backs which downer always work out.

Parallel-Quality

33 | 9 hours ago

There’s been several post game threads where Nuggets fans themselves posted “if you just looked at the stats, you would think Jokic dominated but he was actually quite bad.”

MrGrInChWaSrObBeD | Nuggets

3 | 4 hours ago

Take that with a grain of salt because all the fans in the post game threads are doomers same people that will say trade Jamal after a single mediocre or bad game

PeopleCallMeSimon

1 | 3 hours ago

You mean Jokic hating Lakers fans with a Nuggets flair because they think propaganda on r/nba is gonna somehow impact who wins the MVP?

Novel_Scallion_1580

27 | 9 hours ago

It always been like that with Jokic… he gives 0 effort on defence against poor teams which affects the motivation of everyone else. I dont agree about the shot taking, he’s been hitting a lot of clutch shots.

ninkcantdraw | Nuggets

24 | 10 hours ago

i mourn like a widow for the consistency pre-injury but we ride and look forward to the playoffs

Narrow-Theory-3533

21 | 9 hours ago

56-17-16 vs Wolves was Jokic’s peak man. He couldn’t be stopped. We were seeing Wilt numbers in 4k HD and we dont need 150+ posessions to reach Wilt numbers.

med_belguesmi69

6 | 6 hours ago

it’s not like he became mid or not that good. he’s just a tad bit worse, especially right after the injury. now he seems to be gaining that momentum back

UraniumDisulfide | Lakers

4 | 4 hours ago

The efficiency took a huge hit, but it’s still not bad

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

1 | 3 hours ago

The issue right now is that there’s always like one thing off about his game in a night. It’s either the shooting, the defense, or the passing. Last night his shooting was incredible and even though he had a lot of turnovers only 3-4 were from bad passes and he had 12 assists, which is about his normal ratio. Otherwise he was just getting mugged and stripped cause his handle was sloppy. The defense was the major issue he didn’t even foul once lol.

jord777777777

1 | 31 minutes ago

Thats normal for post injury. He’s needing to focus on different aspects and slowly working himself back. He realized he was struggling with shooting rhythm so he has shifted his focus to defense and playmaking. His shooting is slowly getting more consistent but it’s just normal post-injury issues. Same with his passing issues or peripheral vision problems, he’s slowly seeing more and more of the court.

lets be real tho, Jokic prob wont win MVP but the Nuggets are in a great position to win the title

By the playoffs all these injuries might be a blessing in disguise. Watson, AG, Cam, CB And Jokic should all feel decently well rested for playoffs. My only concern is Jamal has had to play huge minutes this year and had hit a real form slump with niggling injuries but hopefully he can get some rest over this 2 game week coming up. That monster 50 game restores my faith tho that his form slump/defensive issues were probably mostly just player management things

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

1 | 27 minutes ago

Yeah, he’s been slowly but steadily getting better over the last few weeks. MVP is a lost cause and idrc, the other candidates are VERY deserving. The fact that we’re finally healthy again before the playoffs with a few more games left to ramp up is huge. Jamal went through a bit of a slump alongside Jokic for a little which is why we dropped some games, but he’s definitely recovered it and become Jamall-NBA, who we’ll need for the playoffs. Defense has been disgusting for the whole team lately but the Nuggets consistently get much better on defense in the playoffs, Jokic and Murray mainly can’t be assed to spend their energy on defense in the regular season until it’s a clutch game lol.

Narrow-Theory-3533

24 | 9 hours ago

Pre-Injury Jokic was an inhuman being. He was the front runner for a 4th MVP. We were robbed of the greatest statistical season the league has ever seen

ndeysey

9 | 9 hours ago

The footwork, 3PT shooting is not the same anymore.

howbedebody | Nuggets

7 | 6 hours ago

man pre injury jokic was perhaps the best stretch of hoops i’ve ever seen

SharpEdgeBets

7 | 4 hours ago

63% TS post-injury is actually insane. Most guys come back from injury and take a few weeks to get the feel back. Jokic just picked up where he left off. The TOV uptick is probably just him trying to force the pace back and getting back into rhythm.

mnight84

4 | 5 hours ago

To keep things in proper perspective Nikola jokic numbers he is putting up now after his injury, that would be 95 percent of most players career years. It is crazy how those numbers are being taken for granted, I know the point of the post and rightfully so is the injury basically robbed jokic of having an all time great season offensively with crazy shooting splits. It really shows the expectation is extremely high for Superstar players, jokic season after the injury is considered a drastic fall off.

RspectMyAuthoritah | Lakers

1 | 8 hours ago

Sure it was just curiosity….

Dumbass1171 | Bulls

1 | 7 hours ago

Imagine if Shai or Wemby had a stretch averaging 26/14/11 on 63% TS

A bad stretch for Joker is still uniquely incredible

Zeeron1 | Thunder

-10 | 7 hours ago

PRA is the best way to track Jokics value. It’s not the best way to track Wemby or Shais value

PucDim

1 | 6 hours ago

Im the only person in the world that read Jovic and got mindfucked

anonssr

1 | 3 hours ago

If you Jokic’s games, he steps up when his team is ass and starts getting crazy offensive numbers.

I don’t think his post injury numbers have anything to do with the injury itself, but it’s more related to Murray. Murray started showing up during Jokic’s injury and now he’s just playing really well, and takes a lot of work out of Jokic’s hands.

Mike-XL

1 | 3 hours ago

He’s looked better recently, but he hasn’t been the same since he got hurt. I had him as the MVP frontrunner until the injury.

turnipfarmer27

1 | 3 hours ago

I remember all of us losing our minds about it last year.

entyfresh | Nuggets

1 | 2 hours ago

I think his play here of late has been getting closer to what he was doing before the injury. His last 5 games have been nuts.

steve1186 | Nuggets

-5 | 6 hours ago

Tells you how good Jokic is where putting up 29.⁶⁄₁₂.²⁄₁₁.0 on 71.3% TS is considered a step down

IlliterateDumbNerd | Spurs

8 | 6 hours ago

those are his pre injury stats, but 25.⁹⁄₁₃.⁷⁄₁₀.7 on 63.0% TS is still bonkers

jz924 | Slovenia

-25 | 9 hours ago

Nuggets are 15-12 with Jokic post-injury. Any star player would get criticized for this mediocre record. I don’t know what you’re trying to say here.

Adsex

20 | 9 hours ago

Lakers are 13-12 with Luka in December and January. 17-16 if you add February.

They’ve just had their good and mediocre parts of the season at different times.

jz924 | Slovenia

-22 | 9 hours ago

And Luka with Lakers have a record of 42-20 while Jokic 37-22.

Also people were shitting on Luka non-stop. What’s your point?

Gold_Athlete_4770 | Spurs

14 | 9 hours ago

And people were shitting on jokic too lol stop with the victim complex.

jz924 | Slovenia

-13 | 8 hours ago

Until I see 10 different analysts and 50 posts on this sub ganging up on Jokic’s defense it’s not enough.

Adsex

15 | 8 hours ago

That’s the problem with you fanatics, having your opinion, having the right to express it, and having people kindly listen to you isn’t enough. You want to control the discourse.

That’s what make you guys truly insufferable.

Massive-Toe3714

3 | 8 hours ago

Some of these fanbases are absolutely insufferable.

jz924 | Slovenia

-4 | 8 hours ago

Lol I’m insufferable? Who the fuck cares? Where were you when the entire world were attacking Luka non-stop? If you didn’t react then you have no right telling me what to do. So fuck off.

Thomas_455 | Nuggets

6 | 5 hours ago

Attacking Luka? These are opinions on the internet it’s not that serious lol

Adsex

14 | 9 hours ago

“They’ve just had their good and mediocre parts of the season at different times.” is my point.

What’s YOUR point ? Trying to paint your favorite player as a victim ?

jz924 | Slovenia

-9 | 8 hours ago

My point is Jokic already gets away with a million different things so stop acting like he’s underrated or should be ahead in mvp conversation.

Jokic post-injury (27G): 25.9⁄13.7⁄10.7 with 4.3 TOVs on 54/32/80 (63.0 TS%), 11.8 BPM. Jokic pre-injury (32G): 29.6⁄12.2⁄11.0 with 3.5 TOVs on 66/44/85 (71.3 TS%), 16.4 BPM.

Jokic post-injury (27G): 25.⁹⁄₁₃.⁷⁄₁₀.7 with 4.3 TOVs on 54/32/80 (63.0 TS%), 11.8 BPM. Jokic pre-injury (32G): 29.⁶⁄₁₂.²⁄₁₁.0 with 3.5 TOVs on 66/44/85 (71.3 TS%), 16.4 BPM.