MVP Voter Michael Wilbon says he would vote for Jaylen Brown for MVP if the season ended today. Tony Kornheiser agrees with him.
They really need to be more strict with who they give MVP votes to.
Too many people are trying to be controversial so they can get clicks to their website, social media or show.
Voting for league awards is a privilege, not a marketing tool.
Great shout. It’s embarrassing. We all know that’s ridiculous
You know for all-star starter, Jaylen Brown got the 2nd most votes from the media (98). Almost as many as Shai (99). He’s a media darling and that’s been the case for a while despite all the chatter about him being ignored. That’s also how he won FMVP over Tatum despite Tatum leading the team in every statistical category. The media loves their narratives. FMVP is decided by a panel of 11 voters. 7 picked Brown. 4 picked Tatum. That could have gone either way. Had the random Dallas beat writer and the random guy from Italy flipped their votes, Tatum wins that award everyone thinks so highly of.
People act like these awards are objective truth and carved in stone from the basketball gods, but it really literally just comes down to the subjective opinions of people like Doris Burke. You’d like to think these people are more knowledgeable than the average fan, but more often than not they aren’t and they are just as susceptible as being swayed by the same groupthink.
You’re right about everything but he was better than Tatum during those finals.
Better shooting, but Tatum ability to neglect Dallas PNR was a huge reason why the Mavs offense struggled.
Better shooting like 53.5ts% vs 50.5ts%? While leading in every statistical category? Come on, might as well give it to Jrue at that point
Tbh no he wasn’t. The team was running completely off of Tatum as usual and he didn’t get MVP because his shooting was bad and the media is brain dead. Tatum is the decision maker on offense and one of their most talented and versatile defenders. JB is a great player in his own right but he is not the focal point of the team, the most valuable or the best etc
Tatum came in and handled business and did his job to the letter. He had bad shooting splits but he fucking murdered the Mavs on defense and by making the correct play driving and kicking out or into the dunkers spot for free points and they couldn’t do shit about it. His shot just wasn’t falling and they were trying to take away his scoring but for some reason he gets no respect for killing them anyways with his other tools
That was kind of a weird series with regards to picking an MVP. Nobody really stood out above anybody else, and in almost every game, a different player was the best player on the floor that night for the Celts.
Yeah if it was just about the single best performance on any given night of that series Porzingis would have been a contender, he fucking fried us with his limited gametime
statistically, he wasn’t. They voted that award on vibes.
Tatum: 22.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 7.2 assists with .388/.263/.926 vs
Brown: 20.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists with .440/.235/.733
The difference being Dallas was swarming Tatum as the centerpiece of their offense while he was playing the most impactful defense on the team.
Yeah people don’t know but Tatum was one of 4 players to make and win a championship series leading in points, rebounds and assists.
This also ignores Tatum’s role on defense neutering Dallas’ p/r game. His ability to switch onto centers and guard them completely changed the series for Dallas. Brown was obviously very good as well, but I have no idea how the voters thought he was more valuable to the outcome of the series than Tatum.
It’s a crime that true heads like you and me don’t have votes but these new tiktok influencer ragebait merchants like tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon do. but that’s adam silvers america
Wilbon voted for the last three MVP winners, so this is a bit of an outlier for him.
But his 2022 MVP ballot was pretty bad:
Zach Lowe has no vote this year. Wild.
By choice
This is like smart, successful and kind people choosing not to have kids because “the world is overpopulated.”
Like no, we need YOU to procreate, not some asshole who makes the world a worse place having seven kids.
I’d argue it’s even worse with Lowe cause there’s only a set amount of MVP votes, so he’s basically taking away what’s likely a bad voter’s vote if he decides to have a vote. With the kids thing you’re still adding to the population on top of everyone else who will do the same, even if your kids will likely have a positive impact on the world
never liked when people say this, Reddit in general gets very eugenics-adjacent at times
People take the eugenics from Idiocracy as gospel. That to me is very sad
People take innocuous comments and leap to conclusions that are not stated in said comment. That to me is very sad.
eugenics aren’t real but it’s true that a child who’s educated will know more than one who isn’t.
It’s still wild. Guy knows the game better than anyone. And these losers use it to program their shit tv show.
sure but him not having a vote has nothing to do with that because he was given a vote. he’s just declined it.
Yeah it because mvp placement is incentive in contract. So lowe felt guilty when he do voting because he is messing with players money
I think it’s more All NBA and super max contracts but yes this
They are all on the same ballot, you vote for all end of season awards together
He chose to give up this vote for this reason. Unfortunately that was the wrong decision because most voters don’t put in a fraction of the work he does to make an informed vote and most voters don’t give a shit about integrity
Pretty sure is twas by choice? Like something about not wanting his decisions affecting contracts. I forget.
Wilbon is being in idiot here but he’s a great NBA guy and he’s not using this as a marketing tool.
He’s just wrong.
I don’t get the outrage. I definitely see the argument for Jaylen Brown. MVP isn’t just about who has the best stats. It’s whose presence had the biggest impact on their team as well.
And Jaylen Brown is pretty much the difference between Celtics tanking and them being 2nd in the East. He has a huge impact for them. And i can definitely see the argument there.
And Jaylen Brown is pretty much the difference between Celtics tanking and them being 2nd in the East.
They’re second in the East because they have a +11.8 net rating without Brown on the floor.
Ya, seems like white has been the clear most impactful guy on that team this year, his advanced stats are crazy even with him having a trash shooting season
Jaylen Brown has absolutely no MVP argument. If you want to argue Brown is top 5 in MVP, that’s perfectly fine. There is no justification for putting him #1 on the ballot. He’s straight up an inferior player to Shai in virtually every way, outside of being a better rebounder. Then there’s Wemby and Luka, who he’s also not better than. Again, I’m not saying that Brown doesn’t deserve praise, so don’t take my post that way. I’m saying there is actually zero reason why Jaylen Brown should be voted as MVP. Literally zero.
You mentioned that Jaylen Brown has had a huge impact on the Celtics, and that is absolutely a fact. But Shai has a huge impact on the Thunder, Wemby has a massive impact on the Spurs, and Luka has a huge impact on the Lakers. This thing about having a huge impact is whatever because all elite players have that.
The fact is, the Celtics are indeed second in their conference. But let’s not act like the Celtics don’t benefit from playing in a super weak conference.
On what basis is the East a “super weak conference?” The record against each other is essentially split 50⁄50 with the West only slightly better.
Like Derrick white doesn’t exist
The Celtics have been good with jalyen brown all season. Surprisingly, They’ve been better when he sits. A vote for Brown for MVP is an idiots vote.
Or even worse that they just don’t actually watch games or know what they’re talking about
Well, Wilbon has a valid reason for having a vote. Tony doesn’t have a vote.
Idk if I agree. I’d rather there be a lot of different players getting votes and voters have their own criteria.
Like if a few guys think Jalen brown was the player they were most impressed by I don’t mind votes for him. It feels weird to want everything to be uniform. Basketball arguments get boring when it’s “consensus or you’re a grifter”
I hear what you are saying but Wilbon is a legit guy. I don’t agree with his take at all but he’s not a rando media personality
I’m cool with it tbh, even though I don’t agree with his opinion. I think group think can get way too common with these things, so some dissent is a good thing imo. Also, it’s the NBA, everything about the league is a marketing tool. Let’s not act too precious about this whole thing.
Nothing controversial about a guy who carried a team on his back which many believed wasn’t trying to win this season and whos been available.
Honestly, part of why I like Reddit for basketball stuff is that I can hear/see what’s being said without contributing to clicks/engagement with the person who said something so ridiculous. I love the Celtics and Brown but he isn’t the MVP and there are at least four people ahead of him.
Cmon man Wilbon and Kornheiser have been doing news for longer than most folks have been alive. They’re not doing this for clicks, they’re just old af and out of touch.
Huh?
It’s 100% because they only watch East Coast teams. They’re two extremely old men and there’s no shot they consistently stay up late enough to watch Joker, Shai, or Wemby play.
In today’s age with the highlights made so easily accessible— especially when it’s their jobs— there’s no excuse to not see west coast games.
Stephen A Smith was playing solitaire at the fucking Finals.
Michael Wilbon probably hasn’t watched an NBA game in like 20 years
Lol I think he watches like tons of bulls games, especially when they’re good. Wilbon is not the guy for this sub to try to take down, but I don’t think this sub watches PTI
Take away these old dudes votes lol. This and the senate is the exact same issue and both of them are tearing this country apart
Or Luka
All the top candidates are playing earlier, didn’t think about that
If his team were the Charlotte Hornets they wouldn’t be saying it. It’s all because he’s a Celt. He’s had a great season but he’s not in the top three for MVP
They both are really old and they have been in the “old man yells at cloud” stage of being old for a while now. Tony needs to retire. When Wilbon has takes like this it makes me remember how old he is.
Great observation.
Tony doesn’t watch basketball. Makes as much clear on his podcast. Really just golf & Nats games
The team literally, statistically, plays better without Jaylen Brown on the court. Giving him MVP would be wild, despite the impressive season he’s had.
The team plays better against other teams worse players when Jaylen sits.
However, when Jaylen Brown plays, he still has a pretty good net rating despite playing against the opposing team’s best players and defenders.
If you want to make the case that the Celtics have a good team and that’s why he shouldn’t be MVP, that’s fine. However, it’s not accurate to state that the “team plays better without Jaylen Brown on the court”.
So why does D white have an insane net rating when he is also playing against the other teams starters? This trend with Jb having a terrible on offense relative to his peers is consistent over the years
They’ve never watched a single game of Luka Wemby or Jokic I guess
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I mean Jaylen has had a great season and I do like highlighting players that normally don’t get recognition, but cmon man better than Luka, Shai, and Joker?
And Wemby??
And Wemby!
It seems like we have this conversation almost every year that is more than a 1 or 2 guy race lol
The fact that everyone needs to accept is that unless shai misses the eligibility minimum, it is a 1 man race
I can at least accept someone making the Wemby case. He’s so uniquely game changing on defense and the Spurs are way ahead of schedule. You could even make an argument for Jokic based on him being widely considered to be the best player in the NBA when healthy. I’d disagree, but I think that’s a fair argument.
But there just isn’t a coherent argument for Brown.
It’s so stupid lol, there is such a clear gap between the top 4 and the rest of the league. It’s like top 4, then a tier below with like Kawhi, brunson, jb, cade etc, then everyone else that’s good but not top 10.
But the top 4 is so fucking far ahead of that second group it shouldn’t even be legal to bring the others into the debate
If the top 5 (SGA, Jokic, Luka, Wemby, and Cade) all were ineligible due to the 65 game rule, this would’ve been the most entertaining MVP race in history lmao
You commented. Their mission of rage bait and free marketing was accomplished.
derrick whites impact numbers even have him ahead of brown
I think White is outstanding and quite underrated, but this reminds me of the whole “advanced stats say Jokic is the best defensive player in the league” nonsense that we heard a few years ago.
Ok but nobody in there right mind would be saying he’s been the more important player than Brown this year.
Release the MVP voter files
They already do
We did it!!!
Sabonis got a 3rd place DPOY vote and 4th place MVP vote last year. From voter Ignacio Garcia
What the heck?
Zagging so hard to feel smart
Out of touch personalities should be banned.
You might be surprised how out of touch reddit is in general.
Being out of touch is actually somehow endearing to a lot of people. Old man yells at cloud is actually a relevant space to hold lol
Instead, they’re celebrated.
the old heads in NBA media have really fallen off a cliff, either shitting on the league or boneheaded voters when NBA contracts are tied to certain things like All NBA selections
Nobody can coherently make a single argument for Jaylen over the top 4. Id love to hear it if you can but you can’t.
I refuse to believe they actually think this. I could easily be convinced they’re pushing bull shit on behalf of sports betting.
Legit Shai’s odds have moved slightly but the other guys are only improving because the betting companies know they can get people to lose money on it. It’s very sad that’s the state of the sport.
There’s a level where the decision is just fucking stupid and this reaches it. You have to be stupid to believe this. Full stop.
O/U on how many non-nationally televised games that Wilbon and Korn have watched this season is 0.5 and I am smashing the under. Literally irrelevant opinions
Disgraceful but peak rage baiting. Why go only after lakers fans when you get 4 different fanbases and their stans 😂
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Pathetic. Although I guess it’d be appropriate for the celtics to have the worst MVP ever to go along with the worst DPOY ever
Absolutely tapped reality about voting system
Marcus smart doesn’t deserve that. His defensive effort is single handedly carrying the lakers as media created contenders 😂
No doubt! What do they think this is, a vote based on subjective opinion?!?!
There is only one correct answer – whoever the masses collectively agree is the most correct vote on that given day/hour.
Marcus Smart > Tyson Chandler
these old dudes shouldnt ever vote again
I would consider myself a big fan of Korenheiser, but it’s no secret that he doesn’t watch the NBA until the playoffs. He’s on record saying he’d rather watch bedsheet golf than majority of NBA games. Plus, he goes to sleep at 9pm. Wilbon, on the other hand, does actually watch the games. He’s just a little crazy with this take.
This is accurate, as someone else who also watches PTI, and I don’t think this sub does. Kornheiser is very tapped out of the NBA outside of headlines and highlights and playoffs. Wilbon is an NBA head though
In this hypothetical do SGA/Luka/Wemby/Cade all retire an hour before the vote?
While I like Brown…he’s not the best player in the NBA this season, and he’s not really close either. Even his “best 2way player” had to be walked back almost instantly because Wemby exists, and if we’re being honest JB’s defense has taken a step back this season too (likely because of the increased offensive load).
Seeing him get a couple votes for MVP (probably 2nd or 3rd place) would be cool, but if he outright wins it’ll be 100x worse than when Embiid won.
He won’t win, but a couple of 1st place votes is ridiculous enough.
If Wemby, SGA, Luka or Jokic were American, a lot of these moron talk show hosts would be so much happier
Embiid: I’m American, okay?
MVP voters: Okay. What kind of American are you?
They know ball. Please don’t look at my flair. /s
This is a joke right? There are 3 players ahead of Jaylen in the MVP race.
3? I’m counting 5.
Shai, Wemby, Jokic, Luka, Cade?
Yup, though now that I think about it Cade probably won’t be eligible.
Yeah, I’d forgotten Wemby and I think Cade is out. But that’s 4 still
at least 5 if cade makes the requirement
He doesn’t
he can still comeback in time potentially
SGA is the clear MVP. This need to drive clicks over the integrity of the sport is tiresome
To think, I used to respect these two.
They’re still not sensationalist like other personalities. But they’ve always been east coast homers and they’re quite old and probably barely watch any nba. Especially not west coast games
TK absolutely is lol he lives for that shit
you either die a hero or live long enough to be a senile grandpa
Tony only watches east coast games, that’s if he can stay up and he only believes what whatever Wilbon tells him it Whats current on ESPN.
1 vote isn’t gonna do anything except guarantee that Shai isn’t winning unanimously (which was ridiculous for people to believe in anyway).
Was getting into with someone on another NBA sub talking about voter fatigue and how I think it doesn’t exist.
But this is prime example of what I was saying.
The MVP award is literally the most vague award out there.
There are no guidelines or rules around it. It’s all whatever voters feel like voting and that’s it. It’s their opinion on things, which is why I don’t think voter fatigue exists. Because also there are 3⁄4 guys who are having MVP type seasons. And while Shai is the front runner I can absolutely see why someone would vote for Wemby or Luka. Like everyone hating on Embiid in 23. Sure, you can say in your opinion Joker deserved it more. But you cannot say Embiid didn’t have an MVP season, cause he absolutely did.
But Brown? This one feels like a stretch. But again, it’s the most vague award out there so like who tf knows.
Sometimes, if you’re that elite at something it does make up for other flaws. Floyd Mayweather is one of the three best defensive fighters ever, but there have been dozens of better offensive fighters. The problem is, they weren’t able to go five straight rounds, completely untouched, while constantly peppering the opponent with counter punches. Floyd was never the offensive fighter some of the greats were, but he’s a top 5 fighter of all time at worst. His defense and counter punching was just that otherworldly.
Luka may be a mediocre defender, but he creates as much orbit as any backcourt player I’ve ever seen. Not only does he score like 34 game, he’s always up around nine assists as well. And if you watch Luka play enough through the years, then you know you’re going to see not just a couple but many hockey assists created entirely by the pressure he puts on the defense. He drives or gets somebody on his hip and demands the defense help, and then he whips a pass to somebody who can then make the easiest pass of their life to a wide open shooter. He can pick people apart in pick and roll. He can do it all. I swear I’ve seen games where the hockey assist scenario unfolds legit like 15 times in one game. I have seen so many games where I swear he’s basically responsible for creating 80 points of offense.
You’d have to basically show me the worst defensive stats of all time to overcome how incredible he is offensively.
But Jaylen Brown ahead of Luka, Wemby, Shai, Jokic? That’s insane.
Take away thier votes. wtf is this take?!?
I’m so tired of mvp talk I wish it was announced after game 82
This shows still going on!?
If actually smart people had votes, it would be at least 80% of votes going to Shai, with the rest going to Wemby for those who value defence more. That’s it. No one else is in any contention.
Take his vote away
Fuckin insanity man, brown isn’t even the most impactful dude on the team.
People getting outraged at JB for MVP really are missing their arguments lol.
I don’t think he’s gonna win and obviously won’t throw a fit if he doesn’t.
But a LOT of people put stock in things like “team was supposed to suck this year but they’re competing for a top 2 seed in the East while their leading player is putting up career numbers”.
Like…it’s not some outrageous argument for him to win.
Being the best players on number 2 seeds > Being the best players on number 1 seeds now. Got it.
Hell, there’s a number two in the west with a player I’d take over JB any day.
PTI really struggling for ratings huh
The funniest outcome
makes sense. Jaylen is much better than Wemby and Shai.
imagine believing that this season? JB is the man but this is out of hand.
It’s just tv
I have listened to PTI and they take Kendrick Perkins word too much at heart. Mike Wilbon in an episode literally said, “I listened to our great friend kendrick perkins who has educated me on why Jaylen Brown should be MVP”
I love how not one media member will vote for Luka who’s carried the worst supporting cast of any top team to a 3 seed while leading league in scoring
But then you have guys openly saying they will vote for Cade or Jaylen Brown for MVP, makes 0 sense
He hates Luka cos he has bad defence, but Jaylen Brown is really bad on defense as well - 283rd in dEPM. He’s athletic and puts in effort but he looks lost. It’s how White can have such huge adv stats despite his shooting falling off a cliff, he’s covering for a huge def weakness. Luka’s defense has actually been decent since Jan. He’s 179th in dEPM but since Jan I’d bet he’s like 100th. If you highly value defense SGA and Wemby should be far out #1 and #2, Brown has no case.
This is an old school take I believe, with games played/durability being an important factor for these guys
Shai and Luka have only played 4 fewer games than Brown
These two have severe brain damage.
Damn I use to listen to these guys every day 20 years ago. Crazy. I use to think these guys were so smart. I’ll always have the memories at least.
I need to be in that conversation, give me my due respect
I don’t care about out of left field choices. It seems like nowadays everyone wants MVP to unanimous, and any media member who bucks the trend is accused of farming engagement. There is no definition of MVP, so if you have a good argument, be my guest.
Yeah… no
The gambling market is pushing Luka and Wemby heavily right now to take the money of suckers that are dumb enough to place that bet. There’s a reason Shai is > -1000 to win. Jaylen is a great player but the advanced metrics and on/off numbers say he’s not close to the other guys
Wemby has to hang tough!
Every year or so I’m reminded this show still exists and I’m just baffled by it. I used to read both of these guys when they wrote for the post, and watched the show for the first decade or so, but they’ve both been insufferable for so long. They have every stupid gasbag take, but deliver it with a pomposity of college professors.
He wins my vote …. He does so much more on the defense end … nobody else else even comes close
If one votes by the black and white definition “Most VALUABLE Player” its Brown or Luka, maybe Wemby. That factors the quality of the team as relevant.
Its just that often the award is given to “best” player of the year. I think thats why SGA is favored. I do see a lot of people mention SGAs team as a detriment to his resume but seems like overall thats not the consensus
Well, looks like these two are officially cooked. I was actually shocked when I saw their show was still on the air the other day.
I’ve loved watching PTI for literally decades. Tony & Michael have contributed (mostly) positively to sports discussion for decades, but it’s not like it once was.
Neither of them watch the games, and it’s obvious. Has been for a few years now. Tony just watches the Nats, and Michael just watches the Bears. They’re absolutely allowed to do that, but we need to be realistic and be pickier about who gets votes for these awards - especially when they matter ALOT financially for players.
you don’t have to agree with wilbon, but to pretend like jb hasn’t put himself in that conversation is disingenuous. it’s unfortunate that takes on social media have to be extreme in agreement or in disagreement.
I normally like Wilbon but this is a pretty insane take and makes me think he isn’t watching the NBA very much. There needs to be some basic statistical reasoning behind what is supposed to be an individual award like MVP. By that standard the debate is basically between Jokic, SGA, Wemby, and Luka. I think Kawhi would also be in the mix but IIRC he won’t meet the game minimum.
In the world where sports betting is everywhere and ESPN is a partner with a sports book, I cannot be convinced this isn’t shady underhanded dialogue they don’t actually believe.
This is horseshit but I’m just here to say Luka should be higher. It’s a criminal offense that he’s not
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strip his vote
I like Kornheiser well enough, but if he’s arrived at a dumb conclusion it’s really hard for him to reverse course. He has a clear bias towards older players, particularly players that remind him of Jordan’s day. Wilbon once declaring that Christian Laettner was better than anyone on the 2004 team. That team performed terribly at the Olympics, but it had Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Tim Duncan.
So yeah, I’m not shocked he’s putting Brown #1.
This is DeMar DeRozan erasure
Not being snarky but are they at the age where they’re saying a persons name but thinking of a completely different person?
I mean is he not in the conversation? Some of yall act like they said Colby White, dude kept the Celtics in the #2 spot when many people thought this year would be a down year and they wouldnt be in contention. Sure SGA is likely the right choice but Brown deserves recognition for the season hes had.
Who ?
I really don’t see why more people don’t have JB higher, particularly here on Reddit. Not only did the Celtics lose JT for the majority of the year but also like 4 other rotation players. And the Celtics are currently 2nd in the East.
MVP is narrative driven and subjective. If we just went by numbers then Jokic is MVP.
As a major Celtics fan he is delusional
Old fks need to retire
Knuckleheads
Wilbon is a real one, but I’ve met Kornheiser a few times and he seems like a dick, and only in this job for the money.
East coastards
All right back into the nursing home grandpa
Both are idiots though.
Those takes are so crazy it’s funny. So right now JB is their MVP, because boston is the second seed in the east. Then they say Wemby could become MVP if spurs overtake the thunder first seed, because right now they are second. So what exactly does SGA need to do in their minds? Also publicly say he wants to be MVP or what
I heard this on the podcast version and had to just find the video to see if I was bugging. What is this narrative about Jaylen Brown? He’s a great player and he’s playing above expectations but he is definitely not having a year like Wemby nor SGA. I’m East Coast all the way since I live there but SGA and Wemby and Joker have the top 3 locked down. Cade was there but obviously dropped for reasons. But I have never ever considered Jaylen Brown top 3 candidate. Perhaps Top 10 or even Top 7 but not Top 3.
Jaylen Brown had like the eight best +/- … on the Celtics
Just a really awful take lol
This is what you get when two old white guys want to remain relevant.
Told you guys this shit would happen lol
It should be Wemby imo. His team would be average to below average without him
Celtics were projected to be a play in team at best before the season started. Tatum came back recently but they were still on a 50+ win pace before that. Thats why they are saying that.
He’s not even close, and I say that as a Celtics fan who loves JB. Wemby is by far this year’s MVP. Affects every play that he’s on the court. SGA is a bigger factor on offense and a good defender. But Wemby is nearly there offensively at this point and miles ahead on D. No one but, arguably Jokic, affects his team as much. And both OKC and Denver have better supporting casts (no shade on SA).
TIL that these dudes are still alive.
It is preposterous to have Jaylen over Luka.
Media should not get votes. Half of more of the popular basketball media seem to not even like the sport. A bunch of super old men who are totally out of touch with the common fan and the modern game in general. Front office staff, coaches and owners only IMO(and obviously they would be able to vote for their own players)
While is disagree he’s had a great season and I think he deserves a lot of credit he’s not above Shai Wemby or joker(pretty sure he might not qualify).
Half the voters can’t watch west coast games Becuase they ar asleep, fuck man horrible, votes should go to ball lovers
I like this tbh. Too many people agree with each other in MVP voting when it remains to be an undefined set of criteria. I wont vote Jaylen though. I will probably vote for Wemby
Opinions like this should immediately disqualify you from a vote
I predicted that Brown would come in third and pointed out that the ESPN push was already in full force recently and got argued with for it.
“Get rid of the 65 game rule, the highly responsible and knowledgeable voters already took into account games played, you don’t need to limit them”
The voters: Jaylen Brown is MVP
Wilbon has always been a fucking moron with regarded takes. And this guy has been with the media for decades. Motherfucker.
JB can’t even dribble left handed. Fuck these old heads talking about? It’s SGA or Wemby
I feel like if someone puts anybody other than Shai, Luka, Jokic, or Wemby in their top 4, that should just be an auto vote loss lol
Have loved watching these guys since I was a kid, but this is straight up irresponsible. Remove his vote immediately. This is one of the tightest MVP races ever, and we have 4 legitimate deserving candidates for the first time ever. Brown isn’t one of them. Not even close dude
Bad take
I always find the debate about MVP interesting because people all have different takes on what it means to them. For me, I’ve always had the opinion that it’s if you removed this player from their team would they still finish close to their record. I’ve always thought LeBron should have more MVPs for some of those Cleveland years. Now as a Celtics fan, I love Brown being talked about, he really deserves the recognition. This Celtics team would not be close to 2nd place if he was not on the team. But even I’m surprised to hear them saying it’s Brown as the front runner. I have Wemby, Luka, Cade, Jokic, and then a toss up between Brown and SGA. SGA just has such a deep team around him, they play good defense I still think they’d still have a good year if he was injured.