Luke Kennards great grandson

It’s the year 2086. Team LeBron has been fighting Team RoboLeBron for the past 10 years for the LeBronship.

“He’s 60yo averaging 20-5-5, dude is washed”

LeAlzheimer’s

By that point it’ll be £|€¥ formerly known as x formerly known as twitter.

What’s crazy is that he could actually be a grandpa. He had Bronny when he was 20 and Bronny is now 21. He could be a grandfather while playing next season.

Ant could never

crazy how lebron can remember his pull out numbers

LePeppajacks pull-out game is VERY strong

It was shumpert

Maybe but I read a fuck lot and I’m dumb as rocks. Bron is smart but it doesn’t mean he reads.

he has photographic memory

Corny is a feature, not a bug.

Take all of the expectations away, take away his career that vastly surpassed those expectations…the fact that he raised a son like Bronny, who literally could do whatever the hell he wanted or nothing at all, and Bronny chose the hard path in the league knowing he’d be joked about, ridiculed, called a “nepo baby,” all that and he still chose to take that hard path. That’s so impressive to me. Most rich kids aren’t raised like that.

You have to give credit to Bronny too…but sometimes I think that’s the most impressive thing LeBron has ever done.

Why are you downplaying yourself? Don’t ever talk negatively about yourself

There have been more than that but I think the majority of the sub is too young to remember them. LeBron also has an incredible PR team that washes stuff like this away, as did Michael Jordan. They’re also not too bad considering “scandal” rises to the level of illegal things. Not to be terribly negative but just to provide perspective:

• In his first Olympics stint LeBron was wildly dismissive of the coaching staff to the point where it created a rift between him and Team USA and coach K. Wouldn’t listen or look at coaches, kept talking over them when they were instructing, sorta just fucked off with the whole thing.

• During the 2007 ASG, LeBron and his group of friends were apparently so off-putting and out-of-pocket that Team USA more or less told the NBA that they were not going to bring LeBron to the Beijing Olympics if this is how he was. The NBA agreed that they did not have to. Nike got word of this and passed it down to LeBron that he really was not going to be put on the Olympics team if he didn’t change his behavior publicly and behind the scenes, which he did to a sufficient degree after that. I believe Jason Kidd was assigned as his big brother for Team USA more or less.

• In the 2010 ECF there was the whole “LeBron gave up” thing going on after he only took three shots in the second half and more or less looked checked out of the game. That was a huge deal at the time and led into…

• The Decision was a gigantic scandal that probably never comes off completely but he went back and got a title so I’m sure Cleveland doesn’t care too much. Nonetheless this followed him for a very long time and not telling the team, or teammates, before going on national TV and surprising everyone with a 1-hour special was a wild move.

• When LeBron went to Miami he tried to get Spo fired and Pat Riley put his foot down on that.

• The infamous dunk footage where Jordan Crawford dunked on him in a skills camp. LeBron had that footage taken from the videographers so it couldn’t be shown, but they eventually had to hand back the tapes later that year.

• During the Biogenesis scandal, LeBron was linked to the clinic. His business manager Randy Mims has been purchasing testosterone and HGH through the clinic and his trainer (or his wife’s, I can’t recall) David Alexander was associated with it as well. Around this time the NBA started making strict policies around steroids as well, which is when you saw certain players get a bit smaller. This hasn’t ever been proven, but, we shouldn’t be naive either. Wade and Dwight were both certainly on some PEDs and its not unlikely that LeBron and plenty of the rest of the league was as well. Jeff Teague was not joking when he said what he said on his podcast about LeBron being on steroids, whether he knows that or not.

• LeBron absolutely got David Blatt fired despite him being a very good coach and the team doing well. Luke Walton (perhaps deservedly), Frank Vogel (much less so), and Darvin Ham (more so) also were reportedly pushed for by LeBron and co. How much? Unsure.

• The wild bunch of passive aggressive tweeting LeBron had done over the years about teammates. The thing with Kevin Love with LeBron subtweeting him, “Stop trying to find a way to FIT-OUT and just FIT-IN. Be a part of something special! Just my thoughts.”, was really odd. Love said that really bothered him and that, “he needed to adjust but wanted recognition for his sacrifice playing alongside LeBron and Kyrie.” Obviously they’ve since worked things out. Not so much with some other guys that got Le-GMed.

• During the bubble LeBron wouldn’t give up the mic during the players meeting after an agreement to keep playing was reached by the players. He got up and said, “I have to look out for the guys beneath me”, kind of filibustering and that bugged a lot of players. He then said, “My time is very valuable”, and walked out of the meeting.

• You had mentioned the HK thing so I won’t rehash that.

• The whole Lakers org behind the scenes stuff is not good, but we still don’t know the extent of it. LeBron and Klutch more or less held the org hostage and Jeanie Buss really wanted to find a way for that to change. They had too much power in the organization according to her (and others) and were able to use too much power in regards to free agency decisions (Westbrook trade in particular), coaching decisions, and sorta dictated the culture of the Lakers for a while. That was part of what getting rid of AD was about. We’ll hear more about that story years down the road.

• Recently he has been engaged in a lot of discussions with the Saudis and planning business ventures with them. He has a boat racing team in one of their leagues. We’ll see if anything else happens with that.

• Just the general “LeBron lies about stuff all the time” stuff. Not sure if that’s a scandal but its always been a thing.

There’s some other more speculative stuff that isn’t worth getting into at this point. It’s not the Kobe Rape Trial, it’s not Karl Malone, but he’s not an un-controversial figure in the NBA. Outside of illegal things you could absolutely make the case he is one of the more controversial NBA players in the modern history of the league.

That being said, with how low the bar is for the decency of public figures nowadays, it’s hard to be overly critical or really take him to task for all that much. If we’re comparing him to other NBA guys, yeah, sure, but LeBron is a hell of a lot more benign than lots of other mega wealthy celebrities.

Yeah what is this? I don’t judge GOATs based on how much I like them as a person at all lmao. Only rape and murder would be impactful enough to remove someone from the GOAT list for me

Not really. I understand that Americans have brainrot where “rings erneh” is seen as the only argument for a lot of people. But yeah, how fun you are to play with, how good a teammate you are, is certainly something that I (and at least some others) take into consideration when thinking about the goat debate. Now, its obviously one among many points of consideration, and far from the most important ones (winning and longevity), but it certainly ought to matter. And while LeBron is certainly far from a perfect teammate, he’s certainly leagues better than Jordan who seemed to have been a legitimate cunt.

I legit did not know that. Thank you for sharing that.

Was also the idea of Bill Simmons who then went everywhere to shit on LeBron for doing it

But I want to be mad!

Today I learned. Wow

its ok not to be a revisionist.

He was young, immature and really thought it was a lock.

Fate and time humbled him.

At least he learned.

I like him now but Still not my GOAT though. 😄

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