Fair enough, maybe just crazy strength w/o necessarily the extra weight, like a lifter who has to stay within a weight class while still being strong

Yeah, I’m not sure if I want him to put on anymore weight. I think he’s officially listed at 235 now, which is on the lighter end for centers, but there are plenty of bigs around that weight. He does get out-muscled occasionally still, but nothing crazy like he did his rookie year. He’s held his own pretty good this season physically.

I mean he isn’t exactly a quiet defender. Even casuals are watching wemby, his impact is very obvious.

The guy is averaging 24 points in 29 minutes while shooting 50% from the field. His offense is already good enough to convince casuals, but if he continues improving at this rate next year he’ll be a top 5 offensive player. 

If they considered minutes played (as in, minutes the team needs the player to play) and strength of team then we should penalize Shai too. It’s an argument totally in Luka’s favor where the other 2 don’t come close because the Spurs and Thunder are actual good teams.

Why play more than what is required to win?

This attitude is how Klay Thompson doesn’t score 80+ when he has the opportunity.

Apparently, 11 games is a third of the season.

Yeah. Because he plays for the Lakers lol

I think Shai is the MVP by general criteria, because he’s having a historic guard season, and because the Thunder are a ridiculous team when he plays. He’s the best pure scorer in the game right now and he plays good defense. Sometimes it’s that simple. The real thing here is that the other 2 cases are substantially more complex.

I think Wemby is second. He came off the bench because he was hurt. He should not be penalized for that in my opinion. Value is value regardless, and if we’re talking about teams then you also need to weigh that the Thunder are way better w/o Shai than Spurs w/o Wemby. The game changes so much when Wemby plays that it’s borderline unfathomable. We’ve literally never seen a player reach defensive heights like that and I would honestly think that he should still be in the conversation if he was averaging 15. Teams just completely avoid the paint when he’s on. It’s like the Spurs are suddenly playing with a goaltender. That also isn’t quite captured by stats, but, as you can look up, his impact stats are the best of the 3. If I was totally in charge of criteria and such he’d be my pick.

The conversation about Luka, who I would have third by NBA criteria, is much more complicated than you’re making it out to be because regardless of the specifics on impact stats the Lakers are not a playoff team with him off the floor. He had a bad game, but they didn’t lose today in the 4th, they lost it in the 2nd while he sat and they bled points after being up in the 1st. Pure on-off impact stats will not account for having to carry that much offensive load (like 35 minutes a game when your schedule has quirks like 4 games in 5 days). If Luka played 30 minutes a game his efficiency would go up, and the team would start losing more. His PRA numbers may be inflated by play time and usage but his efficiency and impact stats are deflated. If you’re always playing from behind whenever you come back you’re playing a much more difficult game than the other 2.

A third of the season lol you’re either disingenuous or woefully uninformed

Again I think he’s mvp worthy but there’s a reason Luka is ahead in the race despite less wins,

I mean, ya, because offense is valued 10 times as highly as defense for the award.

The thing with MVP is once you’ve won the first you have to be noticeably better than your last year so unless OKC get to 74 wins I can’t see it.

I don’t hate Luka he’s a great player he’s just not the MVP. He doesn’t have the most wins (Shai), he doesn’t player the best defence (Wemby), He doesn’t have the best advanced stats (Jokic), he’s not the most clutch (Shai), he doesn’t have the best box score stats (Jokic). I mean what has he done that’s made you people so adamant he’s the MVP?

That’s why you root for the wizards 😂😂😂

Again, who would he play over? Hes a 2 guard. We have CJ, Walker, Daniels, Kuminga and Zacc. Whose minutes is he realistically taking?

Uh yeah… who would he play over? Plus Quin hates rookies

Not at all

Fuck the Hawks, but I agree with the dude, if you’re gonna talk shit on a team, flair up so we can dish it back you coward.