lionpenguin88

60 | 5 hours ago

Literally crazy to be averaging a triple double with that efficiency.

TheWisestJuan | Thunder

12 | 4 hours ago

I could’ve sworn Westbrook did this since he had a triple double for 3 straight seasons, but no it was 32/11/10 and 25/10/10. Close tho

chandler2020 | Lakers

11 | 4 hours ago

32 pt triple dub wild.

3 straight and pretty sure 4 overall. With like at least 1-2 more seasons that were very close.

TheWisestJuan | Thunder

9 | 4 hours ago

Absolutely. He was just up against some of the most insane offensive scorers ever in Steph and Harden. Kind of hard to make that argument for him, but god damn he was insane

chandler2020 | Lakers

3 | 3 hours ago

Oh yeah. Love Westbrook, one of my fav players of all time.

SeveralMycologist205 | Lakers

4 | 2 hours ago

The scoring average was around 105ppg compared to 115ppg now. He was also league average efficiency, which is better (slightly) than Cade and JB. If you adjusted his averages for the modern era, which I think is fair in this case, it would be like 35/11/11 with quality defense and Cade-like efficiency.

chandler2020 | Lakers

1 | 43 minutes ago

He doesn’t get enough credit for how great he was.

KBSinclair

1 | an hour ago

I’m so tired right now I misread “efficiency” as “ethnicity”.

Frosty-Roof3124

51 | 5 hours ago

Crazy how he won’t win MVP this year or last year with those numbers. 29/13/10 over the last two seasons while being the most efficient scorer in the league and having historic impact numbers. Just insane production.

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

74 | 5 hours ago

Crazy how he won’t win MVP this year or last year with those numbers.

In 1962, Oscar Robertson averaged 31/13/11 while leading the best offense in the league and tying for the league lead in TS%. He didn’t win MVP.

He finished behind Wilt Chamberlain, who averaged 50/26/2 with a TS% twelve percent better than league average.

But Wilt didn’t win MVP, either.

zeek215 | Lakers

28 | 5 hours ago

But Wilt didn’t win MVP, either.

How you gonna leave us hanging like that. Then who won MVP?

BetweenTheBuzzAndMe | Charlotte Bobcats

39 | 5 hours ago

the only other dude in the 1960s

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

11 | 4 hours ago

Elgin Baylor was 4th I believe and deserves a mention

Confident_Ad_5345

3 | 3 hours ago

³⁸⁄₁₃ is also an insane season too but somehow barely an honorable mention in that MVP race lol

EcstaticAd8179

1 | an hour ago

he only played half the games because he was drafted into the military

ElGoddamnDorado | Spurs

3 | 4 hours ago

Baker McPlumberson?

moby323 | 76ers

22 | 5 hours ago

Bill Russel. The Celtics went 60-20

Ok_Season_3917 | Lakers

12 | 5 hours ago

Bill Russell with 18.⁹⁄₂₃.⁶⁄₄.5 on 45.7% from the field

pixelkipper

15 | 5 hours ago

Bam with better rebounding

-orangejoe | NYK

2 | 3 hours ago

Bam’s career high points is more than double Bill Russell’s.

gene_parmesan_666 | Supersonics

2 | 3 hours ago

that means that Bam is better than Bill!

Restroom406

5 | 5 hours ago

I am sorry but 23.6 rebounds a game, Jesus.

Ok_Season_3917 | Lakers

26 | 5 hours ago

Wilt with 50pts/26reb lmao

nickgev | Celtics

8 | 4 hours ago

48.5 mpg is still his most mind-boggling stat from that season.

dragonwhale

1 | 4 hours ago

Game was very, very very different.

Pjotler | Celtics

5 | 5 hours ago

Bill

bigboybeeperbelly | Spurs

5 | 5 hours ago

esteemed character actress Margo Martindale, believe it or not

Easton1234

1 | 5 hours ago

Bill Russell

Bayelor | LAL

9 | 5 hours ago

Things like this is why players don’t get to vote for who wins mvp anymore.

Pickleskennedy1

10 | 5 hours ago

The Celtics went 60-16 with Russell that year and 0-4 without him, finishing first in the East by 11 games with the best defense ever. The players might genuinely have been right

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

8 | 5 hours ago

The U.S. Basketball Writers Association had the same top 3 as the players.

AFonziScheme

3 | 4 hours ago

He finished behind Wilt Chamberlain, who averaged 50/26/2 with a TS% twelve percent better than league average.

If anyone is super curious, Wilt was 5th in the league in TS%

Kiem01

0 | 5 hours ago

MVP was voted by player back then, probably voted for Bill Russell bc he won the championship almost every damn year since.

moby323 | 76ers

12 | 5 hours ago

Like I said, it’s a real testament to the quality of the talent in the league right now.

IcyMeat7

13 | 5 hours ago

He probably would have extra MVPs if the race was similar to his previous MVPs, Giannis and Embiid were always pretty close to Denver wins in regular season so it didn’t really do much impact voters but OKC were just so far ahead it’s kinda hard to win + voter fatigue. I think race would have been much closer if Jokic had zero previous MVPs last year for example but it wasn’t just voter fatigue.

This year is more understandable, hard to win MVP if you fall off at the end of the season. He started with like 30/13/12 on almost 73% TS leading MVP race until his injury and came back and his TS dropped hard to 67 or 68 already?

Kinda insane he might actually finish 4th on MVP voting because of his end of season form and narrative, might be one of strongest top 4 MVP finishes in history.

lethalizered | Thunder

6 | 5 hours ago

historic impact numbers.

I mean, this isn’t wholly correct. EPM had Shai ahead of Jokic for nearly all season.

You might question the validity of dEPM which boosts Shai ahead of Jokic and there is some truth to that I admit, but even in oEPM Shai is now at 7.3 compared to Jokic’s 7.5.

So if you’re arguing for his numbers being historic, he has a very close company that is arguably ahead of him, looking at the impact.

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

12 | 5 hours ago

EPM had Shai ahead of Jokic for nearly all season.

And this will be the third consecutive year SGA has finished slightly ahead of Jokic in EPM.

lethalizered | Thunder

6 | 5 hours ago

Last season the gap was only +0.3, I think it’ll be a bigger lead this time around with the margin being at +0.9 currently.

Frosty-Roof3124

6 | 4 hours ago

None of what you said makes Jokic’s advanced stats/impact numbers not historic?

And yeah defensive EPM is obviously terrible and probably helps Shai more than any other player considering he’s the ≈8th best defensive player on his team, but OKC is maybe the greatest defense ever. Their defense has been better without Shai over the last two years.

Defensive EPM has Shai as a better defender than Amen Thompson, nearly double the defender as Mobley, better than Castle, Anunoby, Jaden Mcdaniels, Camara, over double Dort and Aaron Gordon. Just laughable stuff.

lethalizered | Thunder

1 | 4 hours ago

None of what you said makes Jokic’s advanced stats/impact numbers not historic?

When I look at impact metrics being historic, I expect a sizeable gap between the first and second place and an all time great performance. I gave you the oEPM numbers in the same comment, they are mighty close.

Even if you think dEPM is overrated which I acknowledged in my comment in the first place, Shai at his position bringing more defensive value is a good discussion point compared to Jokic, who leads his team to the 21st dRtg in the NBA as a Center.

So again, if according to you Jokic’s impact number’s are historic, so are Shai’s.

Frosty-Roof3124

3 | 4 hours ago

I said they are historic because of where Jokić is in comparison to all the years we have available impact numbers for (not just EPM also). But yes I agree Shai’s are also historic (although less historic because of the aforementioned dEPM boost). I think they can both be historic.

That’s why when you include the counting numbers and efficiency, which Jokic is better in, I think it’s crazy he won’t win MVP either this year or last year. That was my point.

lethalizered | Thunder

0 | 4 hours ago

I said they are historic because of where Jokić is in comparison to all the years we have available impact numbers for (not just EPM also)

I’m curious, which other impact numbers have Jokic’s current season as a historic one? Assuming you’re not referring to box score related stats here as they are very much different.

Frosty-Roof3124

2 | 4 hours ago

Which ones don’t might be a better question?

But he’s first in RAPM by a lot, first in Darko as well, DPM too although that’s similar to Darko. Off the top of my head

lethalizered | Thunder

2 | 4 hours ago

So DPM values defensive rebounds a lot more, and that’s where you kinda become inconsistent as you’d then value Jokic as a much better defensive player than Shai, their ODPM is +5.3 for Shai and +5.4 for Jokic, again, mighty close.

I haven’t seen a single season RPM metric yet, it usually includes multi seasons of past data as a projection metric but if you have a link for the single season data I’d be inclined to check it out.

survivaltactics2

5 | 5 hours ago

He definitely would win if he kept up the pre injury numbers after he came back, he was moving crazy before he got hurt

gerardguey | Bulls

3 | 4 hours ago

Numbers arent the sole factor in MVP voting. Its a media narrative award

Frosty-Roof3124

-1 | 4 hours ago

agreed, unfortunately

chef_iblocka | Thunder

5 | 4 hours ago

Even ignoring media narratives, Shai and Wemby have more than strong enough arguments to win the award on the basis of their impact stats and production over the season.

Frosty-Roof3124

2 | 4 hours ago

I mean their impact numbers are right around Jokic’s, but their counting stats and efficiency are worse

chef_iblocka | Thunder

2 | 4 hours ago

I’d say the gap in their advanced stats makes up for any gap in counting stats. For example they both have around the same ODPM, Shai has an EPM of 9.3 compared to Jokic’s 8.4, averages 6 more points per/100 than Jokic with a mere 1 point gap in TS% while having a historically low turnover rate given his usage.

As you mentioned, Wemby is right around Jokic for most impact metrics but he actually averages more points, rebounds, and blocks with fewer turnovers on a per-possession basis. It should go without noting that much of Wemby’s value cant even be reliably measured due to limitations in public tracking data as well.

I think that even just looking at the statistics alone Wemby and Shai would have as-strong, if not stronger arguments but as soon as you begin to add other variables into the picture like team performance and seeding the massive gap between the players in MVP voting projections don’t surprise me at all.

Frosty-Roof3124

2 | 3 hours ago

Why are you using per 100 and per possession stats? The MVP isn’t given to how good a player theoretically can be in a time interval, but how much real value and production they provided this year.

You’re also just intentionally omitting everything Jokic is good at. Incredibly disingenuous and sad.

Their real counting stats this season:

Shai: 32/4/7 on 66 TS%, 2 TPG, +7.7 on/off

Jokic: 28/13/11 on 68 TS%, 4 TPG, +13.4 on/off

Wemby: 24/11/3 on 61 TS%, 2.5 TPG, +16 on/off

I would imagine the fact that Denver is -3.1 NET without Jokic compared to OKC being +6.9!! NET without Shai and San Antonio being +2.1 NET without Wemby would play into their team records

chef_iblocka | Thunder

0 | 3 hours ago

The audacity to call me disingenuous and sad while rounding down some of Shai and Wemby’s numbers while rounding up Jokic’s… lol.

I used per possession stats because they show efficiency/impact relative to opportunity instead of raw volume. Its the same reason why you might use stats like offensive rating or defensive rating rather than blindly looking at a teams points per game or points allowed per game… I’m surprised I need to explain that.

Shai and Wemby elevating good teams to all-time great teams are indeed further arguments to their superior MVP cases, thanks for pointing that out.

Anxious_Blueberry_65 | Nuggets

-1 | 4 hours ago

It’s because the people who votes starts watching NBA games after the Superbowl end, so everything you did before is irrelevant, and the narrative is focused on what’s happening in the last 20 games.

xVIRIDISx | Cavaliers

-2 | 4 hours ago

Reminds you how bogus Russ’s MVP was

back2schooldaze | 76ers

32 | 4 hours ago

That’s crazy but Russ having FOUR triple double seasons, three of which were in a row, is INSANE.

I believe that Jokic will probably match him with four and possibly do it b2b2b2b.

janas19

15 | 5 hours ago

Who did for one season?

moby323 | 76ers

44 | 5 hours ago

Oscar Robertson and Russell Westbrook

Character-Pattern505 | Timberwolves

4 | 5 hours ago

Jokic.

WhiteHeterosexualGuy | Hawks

-8 | 5 hours ago

Who cares? These stats are so arbitrary… if you didnt care about 28 point triple doubles 2 years ago, why do you today? Tired of all these arbitrary combinations

Adorable-Bike-9689

6 | 5 hours ago

It makes me wonder if there was a player who averaged a 27 point triple double for two seasons lol.

And 26 and 25.

TheWisestJuan | Thunder

2 | 4 hours ago

Westbrook if you count 25+

Westbrook did it for 3 seasons straight if you count 22+

ItsOozingOut | Raptors

2 | 5 hours ago

Shh

HonestDespot | Vancouver Grizzlies

1 | 4 hours ago

You okay?

Anxious_Subject_2604

1 | 4 hours ago

Hey HeterosexualGuy, we’re just here on this forum trying to appreciate basketball greatness. Don’t be too harsh.

ThundermifflinTFU | Thunder

18 | 5 hours ago

Dudes unbelievable.

Kertia

16 | 5 hours ago

The crazy shit is I feel like he could also lead the league in points along with rebounds and assists.

Frosty-Roof3124

18 | 5 hours ago

He was top 3 in all 3 last season (and steals too lmao). This year he’ll finish first in rebounds and assists

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

2 | 5 hours ago

I don’t think he’d be able to lead in all 3 just cause the talent in terms of scoring in the NBA is so crazy. Points and rebounds totally though, he could average 30+ easily if he was more aggressive of a scorer and made the choice to pass less.

BetweenTheBuzzAndMe | Charlotte Bobcats

4 | 5 hours ago

The only way Jokic is getting all three in a single season is if Luka and SGA both don’t qualify due to games played, or their teams trade for another super-scorer.

Would be a truly insane achievement.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

7 | 4 hours ago

Would take even more than that tbh, with guys like Ant and Maxey now likely to be regulars in the 29-30 scoring club too. If Jokic or anyone else did this on good efficiency it would probably be the most impressive regular season achievement ever… might cement him as the offensive GOAT. AFAIK nobody has even lead the league in points and assists yet either.

momBball

1 | 36 minutes ago

Nate “Tiny” Archibald in ⁷²⁄₇₃ for the KC Kings

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

1 | 31 minutes ago

Ah yeah, that’s a legend there. My bad.

momBball

1 | 25 minutes ago

Jokic is the greatest player in the league and I appreciate you arguing with fools but don’t burn out…haters gonna hate regardless of facts. I hope the Nuggets win a chip this year and silence the nonsense.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

1 | 17 minutes ago

From your text to gods… screen? I think a lot of people, not just Nuggets fans, would be happy if Jokic won the chip this year and cemented his legacy. We’ve got a shot.

Colorapt0r | Bucks

3 | 4 hours ago

And Giannis, Jokic has never had higher PPG than Giannis in a healthy season

Adorable-Bike-9689

1 | 5 hours ago

He’d have to to take 2-3 more shots per game to win the scoring title. That’s going to drop him 2 apg. He’ll always hover around top there for each category.

Prize_Ad_1781 | Nuggets

1 | 3 hours ago

2nd in TS added points, 223.5 v. 240 for Shai

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

14 | 5 hours ago

Oscar Robertson averaged 30/10/11 over his first 6 seasons, though he only averaged a triple double in one individual season.

He also led the league in TS% over those six seasons. His team led the league in ORTG his first 5 seasons.

He also averaged 30/10/9 in the playoffs those seasons. While, again, leading the league in TS%.

He won one MVP and finished second once.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

12 | 5 hours ago

When it was Westbrook yall said triple doubles don’t mean anything. Keep that same energy

moby323 | 76ers

17 | 5 hours ago

Westbrook literally won the MVP the season he did this.

TheWisestJuan | Thunder

14 | 4 hours ago

He finished 5th in voting the following season where he averaged 25/10/10

JemorilletheExile | Nuggets

6 | 3 hours ago

Jokic could very well finish 4th in mvp voting this year

Particular-Way-2147

-1 | 3 hours ago

When he averaged 5 turnovers a game, giving away the ball basically every 6 possessions, shot under 30% from three, and hunted for stats boxing out his own teammates?

IAmJohnnyJB | Thunder

12 | 4 hours ago

You know what he meant about what people said during the three other seasons he averaged a triple double

Colorapt0r | Bucks

3 | 4 hours ago

Yeah and then he did it two more times

CoolAsTheUnthawed | OKC

2 | 3 hours ago

And at the time most people on this sub were saying he didn’t deserve it

asakitsi | West

0 | 4 hours ago

efficiency, my friend.

it matters, believe it or not.

volkof | Nuggets

-2 | 5 hours ago

What a clown comment

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

3 | 4 hours ago

Call a spade a spade

pixelkipper

-8 | 5 hours ago

not every triple double is the same

xthegreatsambino

-12 | 5 hours ago

i mean, you realize that likability matters, right? this is sports. we’re not talking about the fucking Iran war. In sports, I’m 100% fine with people holding double standards and being hypocritical, so if someone chose to shit on WestGOAT and say triple doubles don’t matter but then stan Jokic for doing what WestGOAT did, I’m fine with that.

And vice versa. Someone could shit on Jokic yet stan WestGOAT for literally doing the same thing.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

5 | 4 hours ago

Jokic ain’t likable. He acts like he loathes basketball

Colorapt0r | Bucks

0 | 4 hours ago

But everyone still likes him

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

3 | 4 hours ago

Not everyone. Fucking liar

SydneyFall | Nuggets

-7 | 4 hours ago

Jokic ain’t likable. He acts like he loathes basketball

What an incredibly moronic statement.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

3 | 4 hours ago

Expound

ratemeonly | Nuggets

0 | 4 hours ago

He loves basketball and playing. He had an interview with a European journalist while he was injured in January and he directly dispelled this narrative. You can also tell how much it means to him during timeouts.

He hates the American media aspect of the NBA.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

0 | 3 hours ago

He acts like he hates basketball. Which is what the fuck I said

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1 | 3 hours ago

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dizzymidget44 | Pistons

0 | 2 hours ago

What’s your problem? Did I insult you? Do you think that is an appropriate way for a grown man to act? You need to look in the mirror and really think, what are you doing with your life? Because this ain’t it. Be better

SydneyFall | Nuggets

1 | 2 hours ago

What’s your problem? Did I insult you?

I Am just laughing at you. I would have thought you would be used to that for saying such stupid shit.

But surely you can come up with examples of how he acts like he “loathes basketball” other than you just spouting nonsense.

ratemeonly | Nuggets

0 | 3 hours ago

How does he act like he hates basketball?

SportyNewsBear

6 | 5 hours ago

Stat inflation

SydneyFall | Nuggets

3 | 5 hours ago

Since I don’t know how to look it up, how many times has it happened that someone lead the league in both rebounds and assists? I guess Wilt? Oscar I doubt (really haven’t looked this up). How rare is this?

moby323 | 76ers

13 | 5 hours ago

Nobody has ever done that

Poopybhole6969 | Kings

8 | 5 hours ago

Wilt almost did it in 67-68, when he led in “Total Assists” and “Rebounds per Game”, but Oscar Robertson edged him out in APG.

Greenwalrus72 | Nuggets

5 | 3 hours ago

Was a full 1.1 APG behind, Oscar only had 65 games though.

And wilt did win mvp for that season

JohnLemonnn69 | Bucks

3 | 3 hours ago

Imagine if he didn’t injure his knee lmao

FadeRunna | 76ers

3 | 4 hours ago

On a 5th or 6th seed.

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

0 | 5 hours ago

Dude is leading the league in rebounds and assists while putting up 28 a game and somehow I’m supposed to not think he’s the best player in the league? C’mon now.

moby323 | 76ers

18 | 5 hours ago

I’ve been watching the NBA for over 40 years and I’ve never felt that there was a season where there was such a convincing argument for 3 different players for MVP.

I think it is perfectly reasonable for a person to believe that SGA should win, that Jokic should win, or that Wemby should win.

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

8 | 5 hours ago

Nah Wemby getting dpoy is enough for this particular season lmao

The_Taskmaker | Nuggets

2 | 4 hours ago

Wemby’s on-off numbers are titanic tho and that’s while having a quality backup in Kornet. Dude is single-handedly raising the impact ceiling of defense in the modern NBA and absolutely has a case for most impactful player on planet Earth.

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

1 | 4 hours ago

LOL he’s going to get mvp soon enough, just won’t be this year I don’t think

Hellschampion | Warriors [GSW] #1 Warriors Bandwagon

0 | 4 hours ago

Not mentioning Luka is crazy, he has a better argument than Jokic and Wemby

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

-7 | 5 hours ago

I wasn’t talking about MVP - that is Shai’s this year 100%. Best player in the league is still Jokic though.

Beetle919

10 | 5 hours ago

Best player in the league yet his team has been playing .500 ball for 2 months now. Luka,Shai, and Wemby are clearly ahead of jokic right now.

Adorable-Bike-9689

5 | 4 hours ago

Jokic has straight up blown it in a lot of these clutch games this season. When the world needed him most he vanished type shit.

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

-1 | 5 hours ago

Good thing we as basketball watchers, don’t base the best player off 20% of the season right???

Beetle919

6 | 5 hours ago

Ok for the whole season the Nuggets are the 5th seed in the west, meanwhile his contemporaries for BITW are all leading teams to higher seeding.

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

0 | 4 hours ago

Well how much do you weigh team success for best player?

bnshei

13 | 5 hours ago

Defense is back now and jokic doesn’t impact the game defensively

Frosty-Roof3124

-1 | 5 hours ago

Denver’s defense is 2.5. points better per 100 possessions with Jokic than without him.

mattw08

12 | 5 hours ago

Couldn’t that also relate to being more efficient offensively? Less fast break opportunities if you are scoring.

Frosty-Roof3124

1 | 4 hours ago

Probably. Denver is #1 in offense

lilbl1cky | Thunder

4 | 5 hours ago

if you were his backup, his defensive on/off would probably be at least +3

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

2 | 5 hours ago

No you can’t say he’s not a traffic cone without people thinking you mean that he is peak Hakeem

666uptheirons | TOR

-2 | 5 hours ago

So what does Shai do on defense?

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

-12 | 5 hours ago

This is what cracks me up…Shai isn’t a good defender lol neither is Luka…so who is this magical defensive god who is the best in the league? If it’s Wemby he’s too raw on offense still but he is close. Shai is not a good defender though and idk why OKC fans criticize Jokic on D so much without mentioning that Shai has also gotten subbed out on defense for the last possession of games because he gets hunted.

Zeeron1 | Thunder

8 | 4 hours ago

Shai is normally on the floor for last possession defense

lilbl1cky | Thunder

8 | 5 hours ago

so is your point for Shai not being a good defender is the fact that he can be subbed out on defensive possessions? Yeah if you have Caruso, Wallace and Dort on the teams there’s a big chance you would get subbed out, especially if you’re a 1st option. But we don’t do nuances, you don’t even watch OKC play, but you heard that he got subbed out and use this every time you can

666uptheirons | TOR

4 | 5 hours ago

Me or the other guy? I think Shai is the best player on offense in the league. I think what Wemby does on defense negates him being worse than Shai on O. That’s it.

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

-3 | 5 hours ago

So are you saying Shai is a good defender or the team is so loaded that it’s hard to judge that he’s good because there’s so much talent on his squad?

MrBigWaffles | Lakers

10 | 4 hours ago

Yes Shai is a good defender.

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

1 | 2 hours ago

He’s not but okay

lilbl1cky | Thunder

6 | 4 hours ago

you can just watch games and see for yourself if he’s good or not, there’s plenty possessions where he’s guarding on ball or playing off ball, which is what he’s one of the best at, you wouldn’t know tho. I know it’s easier to repeat beat up narratives made up by other people, literal bot behavior

Thasauce7777

8 | 4 hours ago

Shai is literally an average to above average on-ball defender, and an elite help defender. His help defense is incredibly dangerous, and he is very active on defense.

The Thunder do not suffer on defense because he is out there. He literally plays a key role on that side of the ball that would be missing if you replaced him with anyone else (including other great on-ball defenders, that’s not the niche he fills for the Thunder). That’s a much different situation than Jokic or Luka on defense. I feel like their teams are still struggling to find a true niche for them that can’t be easily exploited on that side of the ball.

Adorable-Bike-9689

8 | 4 hours ago

There’s better defenders on OKC does not equate to SGA not being a good defender.

SGA isn’t a great defender. But he’s a good one that gets subbed out for an even better defender on last possessions sometimes. That’s just a testament to quality team building.

666uptheirons | TOR

1 | 5 hours ago

No Wemby is more than close enough on offense with his league best D. I just don’t think Shai should be the favourite. My opinion, Wemby is the MVP. Teams are afraid to shoot in the paint.

Adorable-Bike-9689

2 | 4 hours ago

Yea that’s why the Luka is just 3rd leading candidate??? Posts were silly. Its hard to compare their numbers are say he’s being snubbed. Way more efficient and Jokic won’t even win MVP most likely lol. Its just a stacked time right now.

FH261169 | Mavericks

-1 | 5 hours ago

Best player itl wouldnt lose to the memphis grizzlies taking 3 shots in a half.

Redditfaceguy | Nuggets

3 | 5 hours ago

Damn didn’t know a player wasn’t allowed to have a bad half of a game in an 82 game season. You’re right all the top players have been flawless this year and haven’t had their bad moments. That makes total sense with how to judge the best in the league!

nak214

1 | 5 hours ago

He’s been injured all year too lol

StrokingCats

1 | 3 hours ago

Best player in world and it’s not even close

likewoahitsaj | Bucks

1 | 3 hours ago

Jokic is unreal man. Video game type shit

inefekt | Australia

1 | 20 minutes ago

testament to the quality of the talent in the league today

Bro, in 1962 Wilt averaged 50ppg and Oscar averaged a triple double, the first player to ever do that…and he not only did it, he smashed it with a 30.⁸⁄₁₂.⁵⁄₁₁.4 statline. Neither won MVP that season. Is that a testament to the talent in the league at the time? This was the ‘plumbers and milkmen’ league ya’ll kids like to disrespect it as. There’s always been a ton of talent in the league.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

0 | 5 hours ago

He will be the first ever to lead the league in rebounds and assists per game in the same season as well. Possibly the most impressive box score accomplishment within his career so far since it’s a show of unmatched relative dominance.

SMOKE2JJ | NBA

-1 | 5 hours ago

Let’s ask Kendrick Perkins how this impacts Jokic’s MVP odds. I would love to hear that insightful analysis.

Rich-Ganache-2668

-1 | 5 hours ago

Im happy with him just being in the conversation this year.

And last year too.

I’m sure he is as well. He got three. At some point i’m sure it gets stale haha.

a34fsdb

-1 | 4 hours ago

Testament of him being on a worse team than FTA.

TravelDaWorld81 | Nuggets

-2 | 5 hours ago

It’s wild and still the best in the world

Colorado_designer | Nuggets

-9 | 5 hours ago

Textbook example of narrative-fatigue. If he didn’t already have 3 he would have won last year and this year. Totally unprecedented production.

Also, he leads the league in rebounds and assists, which has obviously never been done.

GrimPeeper669

1 | 5 hours ago

Wilt did it (for total assists at least)

Then-Response8324 | NBA

-5 | 5 hours ago

the actual MVP this year, not shai or luka

soilentgleem

-7 | 5 hours ago

His greatest accomplishment will always be turning Embiid into a duck.

impercipient

-6 | 5 hours ago

but I’ve been told he doesn’t cross halfcourt…

With 10 games left, Nikola Jokic is on pace to be the first player in NBA history to average a 28+ point triple-double in two NBA seasons.