[Highlight] Precious Achiuwa scores, gets called for the travel, which he does he disagrees with. Then, in the next possession, he dunks, stares at the ref and gives him the traveling violation sign
This is why no one understands the traveling rules in the NBA. Shai and giannis can take 8 steps because of their “gather,” this dude can’t take 2 steps.
This wasn’t a travel so I don’t see why this is.
It’s a travel. Nba is just gaslighting us.
22 foot driving floating jump shot đ
3 points too they’re so bad
I think that was just the scoreboard operators mistake. The ref clearly signaled 2.
2 ft’s for sga right
He gathered, took 4 steps back, stopped, and took 2 more steps.
It was a step back and then a step through.
Looking like a shifty running back hitting the daylight.
But this was clearly a travel. Even if you argue this style of step through is legal, you 100% cannot drag your pivot foot while doing it. And he moves his pivot foot before the step through.
He never dragged his foot, tho
It seems the NBA took this down? It says âVideo not Availableâ for me.
This was so funny seeing it live. âSkip to my Louâ ahh shot
The ref is standing right thereâŚ!!!???
Not a travel IMO
This is also why nobody understands techs in the nba, thats a tech for tatum
Draymond couldâve done this and then pantsed the ref and theyâd nod disapprovingly at him for a second
Dort could’ve stuck his leg out behind the ref to trip him after the pantsing as well
A tech there would’ve actually been a bigger penalty to Utah in their race to the bottom though
More or less agree, but the way he slowed down and made so many motions with the ball after picking up his dribble kind of made the play stand out.
Usually with an un-called travel, there’s a sense of continuous movement towards the hoop that makes the extra steps a bit less obvious.
Luka does the slow down shit all the time
Itâs absolutely an allowed technique now. Castle does it all the time.
Still looks weird to me, but whatever Iâm old.
He doesn’t usually do all those arm motions that Precious did with the ball unless he’s on his pivot foot, from what I’ve seen.
It used to be gather, two steps and a hop back in the day. You could do all the arm motions you wanted, but it had to all be finished before your feet touched the ground again. Not that I’m disagreeing about various players getting special treatment upon that, which they did.
This is literally how travels get called at every level of the game, if you look awkward even if itâs not a travel it gets called. If it looks smooth it wonât get called even when itâs a travel.
Good point!
Yes, full speed it kinda looks like he hops on his left foot at the end. I donât mind blowing the whistle on ugly moves.
Ugly moves are a fun watch on their own tbh.
Yes, and funny to blow the whistle on them afterwards.
I meant more I wouldn’t want uglier moves to be targeted more just because they are ugly because they are still cool on their own right. Like this was a tough layup in traffic. That’s cool to watch regardless of how it is done.
Bro u saying stuff shai got away with a call on his step back jumper now he take 8 steps lol
My wife always asks âwhy isnât that a travel?â On every play.
We donât know either.
The reality is if it looks smooth itâs ok, if it looks clunky itâs a travel. Refs arenât counting steps.
You see ⌠itâs a superstar gather. Precious just has a travel role. ÂŻ\â (â ăâ )â â /â ÂŻ
No I did not have money on this game đ
Because he doesnât have the super star buff that grants immunity to extra steps
Another take based on a regurgitated clip of Shai, as if he travels every play but we base narratives off the 0.01% of plays he make
He named Shai & Giannis because those are the Pacersâ big bad wolves lol
Giannis and Shai have done it. Get over yourself, itâs not some Pacers vendetta.
Where did I say they havenât done it? Every player in the NBA has lol
It’s only fashionable to name popular players because that’s how you provoke people. Nobody cares about Killian Hayes being allowed to travel on a singular play last night.
So ironic that you posted regurgitated clips to base a narrative off of
Yes, the referees aren’t going to have a 100% accuracy on calls, they’re not ML detection models. The issue is you guys make it seem like these players travel every play because of a clip you see on Youtube shorts and Instagram Reels. Giannis doesn’t travel every play. Frankly, there are things every player does that can be criticized.
Like how dumb would it be if I said - other players aren’t allowed to play defense, but Jokic can throw himself on top of players all the time. A narrative based on a small subset ( <0.1%) of plays. NBA fandom has shifted from actually watching the games to watching social media clips.
An issue is that refs don’t have to have basketball backgrounds (and many don’t).
If you’ve been coached for years you know exactly what a travel is and can spot it instantly.
“NBA refs don’t have basketball backgrounds.” Now I’ve heard it all.
… Do you think they do? The NBA doesn’t count as their previous experience.
Natalie Sago has a softball background. Tony Brothers and Scott Foster started with reffing. Those are the worst refs I can think of off the dome, but there are many others.
…Yes most of the refs start off in hospitality before moving laterally to a refereeing career.
lol what the actual fuck?
Tony Brothers literally has a bachelor of science of business administration.
Obviously he means most refs never actually played at any meaningful level.
Yes I know… Apparently unlike most of r/nba since we are all confident about what is or isn’t a travel.
Of all the possible reasons why professional basketball referees who do basketball reffing full time as a career might miss a travelling call though, ‘not understanding what a travel actually is because they were not pro/college players’ is not the most obvious one. To put it lightly.
I mean I think it’s a ridiculous argument to make but it’s weird to act like you didn’t understand what he meant. Acting like he was talking about their career paths lol
Thanks for somewhat going to bat for me lol.
Personally, I think it’s ridiculous there are NBA refs that come from reffing a separate sport, e.g. soccer/baseball (it’s not uncommon).
All I’m saying is I know plenty of guys in pickup who can spot a travel a mile away (and they do actually understand gather steps) that NBA refs miss constantly.
Like a player with a sense of humorÂ
Joey Crawford wouldnât
Yea I’m glad he didn’t get a tech for that. Good comedy is good comedy.
And apparently the ref laughed when he did it, so I love a ref with a sense of humor too!
What is and is not a travel utterly confuses me
Whatâs confusing? If youâre a star, youâre allowed to walk. If youâre not, you better not even gather.
Whatâs crazy to me is people acting like this is new. lol
There wasn’t even really a gather on that. It was just a 2 step layup lol
The more money you make the league, the more steps you are allowed to take.
Yep. Its a trip to watch young stars begin to get away with shit as they build bigger names. Defense isn’t allowed to play them tight anymore. That’s a foul.Â
Driving to the hoop and lost the ball? Nope that was a foul.Â
Stick your leg out when you shoot a 3 pointer? Foul on the defender.Â
Yeah there really isnât even room to call that a travel. I guess the ref thought right foot hit ground again before ball release
That’s still not travel
If his right foot came down before he released the ball it would have been a travel. But it didn’t
Wouldn’t that be gather plus 2 step if the feet comes down
Not how I would consider it but I’m sure one could argue that the way it’s called these days
No, in the league he can go R, gather, L, R. No travel.
I feel like you only get that gather step when you’re doing a step back or a hesi dribble. on a basic drive they aren’t giving that extra step as a gather.
No thatâs incorrect. The most common is on layups. Youâre gathering with a foot down and taking two steps. Or passing off that second step etc. Every drive is a gather and two, almost always, unless itâs a wrong footed lay etc.
watching the replay again I can see why people would count his right step as the gather, but to me it’s clearly his 1st step. he clearly thought so as well which is why he let go of the ball before letting his right foot come down.
Through contact too that was def disrupting the attempt to gather
The ref definitely thought his left foot jumped up and down before he laid the ball up. It was a bit of a close call, but a call that an NBA ref with clear view should get correct 99% of the time.
I donât think itâs any of that here, I think this was just a bad call. His right leg hangs in the air as he puts up an awkward shot to avoid the defender. It looked weird so they called it and got it wrong. It also makes it harder to officiate when itâs a fast break
I always say just referee superstars the same way you referee somebody like Maxi Kleber. He can’t flail and scream for free throws or take six steps for his highlight dunks, so no player should be able to.Â
Gorgui Dieng flashbacks….. they wouldn’t even let the dude pumpfake. I swear half of his pumpfakes were called travels BEFORE he even got to shuffle his feet. shit was so rude
meanwhile every star gets to catch and wiggle their feet like the whole floor is their pivot foot lol
After the NBA essentially expanded the rules with the gather step the line has gotten completely blurred. Iâm not even those old school gather step haters, Iâm fine with those 2.5 steps but guys these days definitely get away with a few more steps than that lol
1a. A walk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A walk is when you walk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The player is not allowed to do a motion with the, uh, ball, that prohibits the defender from doing, you know, just trying to steal the ball. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the player has the ball, he can’t be over here and say to the defender, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna score on you! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to shoot and then don’t shoot, you have to still shoot. You cannot not shoot. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, dribbling motion of the ball, and then, until you just shoot it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the walk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. The Long Walk was a movie that came out last year with Mark Hamill. I hope he wasn’t typecast as Luke Skywalker.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, he was in the SpongeBob Movie! He apparently played a ghost pirate in that one
1c-b(2)-b(ii). “Ahoy Matey, use the Force!” – Luke Skywalker Mark Hamill, probably. Haha, classic…
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A walk is when the player makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the basketball and
I don’t understand how people travel smoothly. If I even get close to traveling I lose control over my whole body kinda like how DeMarcus Cousins looked when he had that horrible pass and then got dunked on.
When you want it to be a travel, itâs a travel. When you donât want it to be a travel, itâs a gather step and/or you palming the ball doesnât count.
Itâs not that complicated. This wasnât a travel
Yes insane to call this and not call the step thrus. Ref def knew he fucked up
You should study the rules and then it won’t confuse you. It’s really not that hard.
He picked up the ball with 1 feet on the floor and took 2 more steps. Legal.
Most people get confused by the amount of steps someone takes without dribbling. You can delay your end of dribble if you’re not a. palming or b. carry the ball with your hand underneath it. As long as it’s gliding alongside your hand it’s still a live ball. As soon as you pick up the ball with 2 hands or palm it/carry it, your dribble ends and you can do 2 steps after. PS: streetball rules â NBA rules.
Respect to the ref for not giving him a T for that. He knew he fucked up that call.
On the broadcast they said the ref was laughing when precious did it
respect to a guy for not giving out an undeserved t to make up for a call he fucked up? lol damn the bar is lowÂ
The bar is in fact underground. But the reality is, a ref that can keep their ego in check is an above average ref in this league.
Yup
I mean Iâve definitely seen refs double down on a bad call, sometimes T-ing up a player for complaining about an objectively wrong call. So yeah the bar is in the basement
I think the refs are getting taught to maintain an aura of arrogance to minimize arguments over their calls during the games.
I mean to be fair, JTs claps can be deadly and end a refs career so I understand why they T’d him up so many times. Can’t be clapping irresponsibly with no regard to referee safety.
Exactly. The JB ejection last week was exactly that.
No, it wasn’t, stop. It was a bad call, but both techs were because JB went thermonuclear, swearing and getting in the ref’s face. Bad call or not, that’s going to get you tossed.
He easily could have been tâd for this lol
thereâs a difference between âcould have been tâdâ and deserved a t. i think technicals are given out way too often and making a traveling gesture is just not that offensive, but what do i knowÂ
I think he deserved a t too; anyone mocking refs should be tâd
Starts the gather on his left foot, gathers, steps left, right, and gets the shot off before his right foot hits again. Not an NBA travel.
Regardless, how is making the traveling gesture to the ref NOT a tech. Believe me, the less techs the better, but I don’t think I’ve seen that.
Probably the ref realized he fucked the call up and so he let it go
Props to the ref for smiling it off and not ringing him up with a tech!
Gather step is recent bullshit.
This isnât a travel
Gather step rule is exactly what makes this not a travel. Otherwise his left foot down when he ends his dribble would be his pivot by the books (as it still is in NHFS and NCAA despite the level it’s actually enforced to).
Which is why the NBA changed the their verbiage in 2008 or whatever because it was never actually called that way. And just created a traveling treadmill where they are experiencing the secondary consequences of players gaming that.
Nah this is never a travel. He took two steps
Probably has to do with the context of Precious being a fairly benign personality out there. Each ref and player interact multiple times a year as there are only ~75 refs in the league and 4 at each game. If a known asshole did that then yes it’d be a tech.
Unless the known asshole is Draymond. He can be in the refs face making the travel signal with his fists hitting the refs balls repeatedly and the refs wonât do shit about it
My thoughts exactly.
Even if it was a travel before he was stopped on his left foot, the ref didnât call it until so late that I didnât even look at anything before that. And after he picks the ball up and stops on his left foot, his right doesnât come down. He just does some weird movement where he shot fakes and looked like heâs off balance and kinda weird so thatâs the only reason it was called a travel. It so stupid anytime a perfectly legal play is called a travel just because it looked weird
Can’t remember the last time I saw a travel called that wasn’t a travel. Seems like they don’t call it unless its blatant
His left foot his the ground at 0:23 before he plants it for the shot at 0:24
Completely irrelevant lol, his right foot is his pivot and is on the ground that whole time
it almost seems like the ref realized he fucked up so he let precious taunt him lol
Of all the times to call a travel, they call it on a clear LEGAL 2 step drive
His name isnât Shai, so itâs a travel.
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So refs in the NBA are just like refs in middle school apparently. If it looks funny or awkward, call a travel.
We need robo refs to come in and start getting the refs in line. Same way its happening in baseball
Same way itâs happening in all other professions.
Way easier for a camera to see if a ball is in the strike zone vs if a player took to many steps after gathering but before releasing the ball
Dude’s popping off lately, love to see it
I donât.
I hope he stays
Fun fact: thatâs the first travel ever called in an NBA game since turnover stats were invented in 1867
Either that was gather step + 1 step, or who cares you can say 0 gather and 2 steps, either way that was not a travel
Luka and Austin do the same move 30 times a game lol
Lol I appreciate the ref not calling a tech, that was funny
Tough not to be petty with a name like that…
Well isn’t that Precious
Youâd love to look up his siblings names.
I appreciate the correct grammar
The Big Sneeze has the best first name out of his siblings lol
Sga takes 8 steps no call
Then they decide this is the play they crack down on traveling?
gather step + âŹ2
This was really 2 steps and he stopped himself from coming down for a 3rd step
Thatâs not a travel. This is wild
Legit 2 steps
That crowd looks hoppin
I will always love Precious, man. đ¤Ł
Honestly fair play to the ref not giving him a T there and just kinda laughing and rolling with it.
that is pretty badass lol
Shocked the bitch ass refs didnât give him a tech for that.
lol how did that ref not call a technical for that?
He knew he deserved it
Ok that’s awesome
classic just cuz itâs ugly doesnât make it illegal
I’ve seen worse travels not get called
Respect to the ref for taking it in stride. Mightâve missed a call but understood the games not about him when the player had an emotional response.
If Tatum does this, he would be suspeneded for aproximately 5 years
Sacramento Lions? Chelsea Kings?
What
Talk yo shit Precious, refs clearly don’t know what a travel is these days.
Everybody just playing out the string, man. Swallow the whistles and let this tankathon just fade into oblivion.
Canât be a travel, itâs two steps.
That’s funny shit
Thereâs no such thing as a make-up call. If you think the travel was a bad call, you must also think not calling a T is a bad call. Two wrongs donât make a right,
If theyâre calling it there, they gotta call it everywhere. Itâll only make the game more watchable if anything. Enough with all these violations going uncalled.
That was NOT a travel. Dumb ref
Is anyone else’s video playback choppy?
Brown would have gotten a double T for that little stunt.
Did anyone else think that he dragged his back foot on the decel? It looks really closeÂ
Not a travel. right foot was gather step then left was the pivot
How is that not a tech in the current NBA?
Zero consistency lmao
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Great call there by the announcers!
Shai woulda got an and 1
Weâve all seen worse no call travels.
The product the NBA puts out is terrible to watch as a casual fan. I have no idea what the rules are anymore. The rules are too similar to that of a globetrotters game.Â
Setting aside the non-travel, kudos to the ref not calling the T. Would have been entirely justifiable, but also it was harmless and the guy was a little frustrated, let it go and play on. If more herky-jerky one legged hesi moves got called travel and more harmless taunts went uncalled for techs, that’s a better game.
This is basically the slow step that Castle and Barnes always do. This is just an awful call.
This is not a travel in today’s NBA. It was a travel in basketball camps 40 years ago. Ref knew he made a mistake and didn’t take the traveling motion from Achiuwa personally.
Lame ass call. But, his left toe dragged before planting which by the book is a travel, but still super lame to call it.
It looks like he’s dragging his left foot on the ground during the replay
Dragging his left foot while his other is is in the air? What is he Jesus?
Precious can also walk on water.
I dono how often it gets called, but on replay his left foot touches the floor (you can see the way his foot moves) after picking it up before his right foot hits the ground, which is a travel. It also looks like he’s dragging the left foot along the way, which is a travel.
Again, don’t know how often it’s called.
his first step was with the right foot. as long as it’s planted he can do whatever with his left as long as he doesn’t take another step (leave the ground + land) with the right one. just like with a planted pivot foot, you can take as many steps with the opposite foot. now had that right foot landed before he let that ball go then it would’ve been a clear 3-step travel. coming from a guy who’s seen some bone-headed plays from achiuwa in toronto.
How did this man make it to adulthood still being called Precious? If anything is begging for a nickname, thatâs it.
It was a travel. Problem is that theyâve started to let others travel, so yea. I get the frustration.
How is that a travel? Dribble and two steps. It just looked awkward because of the hesitation in the 2nd step.
I donât think it was. Gather, 2 steps, layup. Looks legal to me
If you look at his left foot on replay, it hits the ground again then it looks like he drags it. It’s a travel by the book, but don’t know how often refs will call that.
He shot off the left foot. Gather, step with right foot, step with left foot into layup. Clean. I donât see anywhere that either foot drags
I didn’t think it was a travel. I see gather, two steps, then release before the 3rd step comes down. Which step are you counting as his 3rd step?
The âgatherâ is nonsense new rules to allow travels. This, and others like it, was always a travel.
Itâs similar to placing your hand under the ball while dribbling now. Except they enforce this one however they feel like.
He could have easily just stopped and pivoted, and done literally anything he wanted. This isnât anywhere near a travel
It was called a travel. So saying itâs not anywhere near a travel is factually incorrect.
This has always been a travel until like 5 years ago. It should still be a travel đ¤ˇđťââď¸
Yea because refs have been known to make the perfect call everytime.
He didnât do anything that hasnât been done since the beginning of basketball. He didnât even gather step or anything. He picked up, one foot then two foot. It may look awkward since he delayed his jump, but he never took an extra step or anything. He literally did the same move the next time down the floor without the delay
He takes 3 steps after picking up his dribble. Not sure what youâre looking at. Left, right, left.
From the time the ball is picked up he takes 2 steps. If he took three the called would have happened earlier. At least Iâd expect it to. Whatâs different between the first and second play? When he caught the ball he planted then took two more steps. Howâs that not a travel?
When he has the ball in his hand on the second one, he takes a right step and a left step.
In the first one, he picks up his dribble and takes 3 steps.
The first one is a travel and the second one isnât. Itâs very straightforward.
Again, the issue is that they let some players travel and others not.
But in the first one when the ball is picked up only took two dribbles, youâre counting the foot when he initially makes a move. Foot doesnât count cause it can be a live dribble. If youâre arguing that one is and the other isnât when they are the same move you really donât know the rules and some coach taught you wrong in middle school
No, watch it again. Two steps and a shot
Thereâs 3 steps đ¤ˇđťââď¸