Legitimate-Software7 | Raptors

191 | 15 hours ago

That shit says 4.8 bpg, yeah everybody just gotta get their ring now while he’s still a baby giraffe

MikeyBastard1 | Spurs

45 | 13 hours ago

Not “MVP worthy” though because he doesn’t put the ball in the hoop as well as SGA.

LardHop | Lakers

9 | 12 hours ago

Wemby’ll get there probably next season man. I think the MVP is still SGA’s to lose.

Rage_101

3 | 9 hours ago

Right now, I’d say he’s the best player in the league in terms of impact. SGA has played a lot more minutes, and that is important too when determining the MVP.

Per minute this season, nobody beats Wemby. Most valuable over all? As it stands, SGA would get it.

YpsitheFlintsider

1 | 7 hours ago

Well yeah

Several_Hour_347

-13 | 13 hours ago

My guy just acted like getting points is less important than preventing a shot that doesn’t even guarantee possession

banjocoyote | Spurs [SAS] Keldon Johnson

43 | 13 hours ago

Yeah man his defensive impact is literally just blocking shots, that’s it for sure

Several_Hour_347

-35 | 13 hours ago

This comment chain is about blocks per game and its relevancy to being mvp over SGA. How do you forget the parent comment so quickly

prof-kaL

12 | 11 hours ago

Let’s spell it out for you. If someone is really good a blocking shots it deters players from taking shots.

Several_Hour_347

-18 | 11 hours ago

Lmao I bet you thought Hassan whiteside was a mvp

prof-kaL

9 | 11 hours ago

No I thought Whiteside was an idiot and a loser. But nice try shifting the conversation.

Several_Hour_347

-9 | 11 hours ago

Lmao

Prudent_Fish1358 | Spurs

2 | 10 hours ago

Lmao = “I’m out of idiotic things to say but I still need to get the last word in because I’m a mental midget who has an absurd desire to control the conversation with a bunch of strangers”

flaming_burrito_ | Wizards

4 | 12 hours ago

I mean, SGA only averages 8 more points per game. We’re acting like Wemby isn’t also the leading scorer on his team. With roughly 4-5 blocks a game, and who knows how many prevented drives because Wemby was standing there menacingly, I would say Wemby directly prevents the other team from scoring at least 8 points a game, so the difference in production gets made up on the other end

NegbombDB

13 | 12 hours ago

8 more points per game is significant…

flaming_burrito_ | Wizards

8 | 12 hours ago

It is if you’re not making it up with points prevented, which Wemby definitely is

Prudent_Fish1358 | Spurs

1 | 10 hours ago

Wemby’s DBPM this year is 9.2.

Several_Hour_347

-3 | 12 hours ago

“Only” and one has to create their own shot completely while the other doesn’t . So silly to meat ride like this

Shai also has amazing handles/doesn’t turn the ball over compared to the offensive load put on him

Wemby averages over 2 TOs, but doesn’t replicate that into a good assist ratio. Those are possessions straight up gone

Another thing, he averages 3 blocks. Why make up 4-5 lmao Jesus Christ

flaming_burrito_ | Wizards

2 | 12 hours ago

Wdym made it up, clearly I’m using the number the person above said over the past 10 games.

Who gives a fuck if Shai has to create for himself, the question is who is more impactful on the floor, and the answer is Wemby. Wemby has a net rating of +16 when he is on the floor, which is the highest in the league (Shai is second). His presence literally changes the way that offensive players have to play, you can see it the moment he steps in court.

Also, you said all that like Wemby doesn’t create most of his own shots and is inefficient, which isn’t true. He’s capable of handling the ball far better than most big men, and is a 3 level scorer. He might not be as efficient as Shai, but not many players are tbf.

Plus I feel like it should matter if 4 out of 5 times the Spurs and OKC met, OKC got their chain snatched. I still think SGA has an argument for MVP, but if the Spurs stay hot like they have been, I personally think Wemby edges SGA out

Several_Hour_347

3 | 11 hours ago

Last 10 games is not average 4-5 blocks a game for the season… they don’t talk about 10 games for mvp

flaming_burrito_ | Wizards

1 | 11 hours ago

His stats for the whole season are still impressive, and let’s not pretend that recency bias isn’t a thing. People will remember the last month or so of games going into the MVP vote more than they will the start of the season, that’s just the subjective human element at play. I think voters will probably still go SGA because he’s been the presumptive nominee for the whole season, but I personally think this should be more contentious

Proofy7744 | Spurs

2 | 13 hours ago

My guy just acted like going points automatically means you’ll out score the opponent

junglist918 | OKC

-4 | 13 hours ago

It worked last year lol

IlliterateDumbNerd | Spurs

6 | 12 hours ago

The OKC also had an elite defense

Prudent_Fish1358 | Spurs

3 | 10 hours ago

Thunder fans don’t even care about anything other than watching SGA score.

Several_Hour_347

-17 | 13 hours ago

Yes… they will. It’s literally the only way to put your score ahead of your opponent. Blocks don’t deduct points lmaooo

Blocks may literally be the most useless counting stat across points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. The shot blocked might not even be going in nor does it guarantee possession

Edit: basic reasoning really upset Wemby meat riders

Tijenater | IND

1 | 13 hours ago

At this point injuries are the only thing holding him back from being top 10 all time AT LEAST

qaswexort | Spurs

1 | 11 hours ago

He gets way more blocks than that. They don’t count them all

doomrider2 | Lakers

184 | 15 hours ago

Feels like these get announced way less than once a week

OKC2023champs | Thunder

63 | 14 hours ago

The years keep coming and they don’t stop coming

PeopleusetocallmeBub

12 | 14 hours ago

Me when I’m at the Avn awards

Lance973

99 | 14 hours ago

don’t jump on me for asking, but if spurs finish 1st seed where’s the argument for wemby NOT being mvp?

SnooChipmunks469 | Knicks

32 | 14 hours ago

He missed three games en route. That feels like the only way.

siphillis | Spurs

2 | 7 hours ago

He can miss four more

jdd32

13 | 14 hours ago

IMO it’s availability. Right now I believe that he’s the most impactful player in the league when he’s on the floor. He’s got the highest +/- per minute of any player in the league with over 1200mins(Shai is #2). But Shai has played 300is(20%) more mins than him this year. Availability is huge and even with some missed games himself, the accumulation impact metrics all have Shai at the top.

Anything can happen these last few weeks of the season, but right now it’d be hard to argue his impact makes up that 20% more availability over someone as incredible as Shai.

Next year if his conditioning improves as he enters his prime athletic years, I think MVP will be his to lose.

Victor_Wembanyama1 | Spurs

4 | 10 hours ago

If you’re taking into account minutes, then cumulative +/- should be what you’re factoring in. Shai leads by near a hundred so far.

If you’re taking into account the difference in minutes, then the per minute +/- should be in favor of vic.

Ultimately it’s the seeding that will decide it imo. Nobody expected us to be contending for the top seed lol

Uncle_Freddy | SAS

2 | 9 hours ago

10-4 (71.4%) without Wemby (74% with him) might also go against him a bit. Thunder are 8-4 (66.7%) without SGA and 42-11(79.3%) with him

Greedy_Bed

-1 | 12 hours ago

I agree, if one of the conditions for being elegible is a minimum number of games, I think playing an average of 4.5 minutes per game more should mean something (and that’s not even taking into account that SGA is not on a minute restriction, he just simply does not need to play many 4th quarters).

No doubt on the impact of Wemby on the defensive end, but this year SGA clears. Personally I would ask more efficient shooting from a guy of the size of Wemby but that is something minor and it is more than compensated by his general impact on the court.

OKC2023champs | Thunder

9 | 14 hours ago

Consistency and team record with a top 2 injured team I’d say. It’s definitely going up in the air if spurs do though.

31/6/4 on near 67% TS is also insane.

I’d bet Wemby wins it next year

PressureMiserable | Spurs

41 | 14 hours ago

Narrative matters more than stats when they’re not far apart and SGA doesn’t have one. It’s dumb but it’s how drose got it over LeBron. An all time talent suffers bloodclots, nearly has his career derailed, comes back better than ever, has his team as the best team in the league the year after and becomes the youngest MVP ever. That’s wembys narrative especially when he beat the guy ahead of him ³⁄₄ times

Any_Garbage_4359

-29 | 14 hours ago

SGA is better than wemby. He outplayed him in all of those. It was the spurs guards that caused trouble

PressureMiserable | Spurs

25 | 14 hours ago

Wemby shut the entire thunder offense down when he was on the floor. U can’t really bring up stats when wemby was on a minutes restriction for 2 of those games but when he came in he changed the entire game and wrecked the thunders entire game plan

Any_Garbage_4359

-15 | 14 hours ago

Why are you sitting here are acting like it was just wemby when it was a team effort. Its not like he was dropping 30 and 5 blocks on okc every game, multiple of his teamates dropped 20 or more every time. SGA beat him in the individual matchup when you compare all of it

PressureMiserable | Spurs

10 | 14 hours ago

Yes his teammates did score but because of how much attention he attracts, he’s constantly double and triple teamed, and creates multiple opportunities for others just by setting a screen or even catching the ball in the post

Muggy_B | Spurs

12 | 14 hours ago

Because Wemby was coming off the bench, and stats and the eye test showed a huge shift when Wemby was in

mekarz

6 | 13 hours ago

Wembys defense changes how an opponent approaches their offense.

The guards can play extra on defense because the help defense from Wemby covers their mistakes.

Same goes with their offense.

He literally is boosting the team with his presence. Its like Curry with his gravity, Wemby has an anti gravity on defense.

PeopleusetocallmeBub

2 | 14 hours ago

Also having an historical season

Positive_Ad1947 | Spurs

6 | 14 hours ago

Yeah it’s still gonna be SGA but Wenby has to be top 2 or 3.

OKC2023champs | Thunder

1 | 14 hours ago

It’s definitely SGA/jokic/wemby. I’d have Wemby second actually

YpsitheFlintsider

1 | 7 hours ago

Being less valuable than another player

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0 | 14 hours ago

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sgtpepperslaststand | Cavaliers

60 | 14 hours ago

I really think Wemby should be MVP I think his defense is just so valuable that it outweighs SGA offense.

WD51 | Spurs

24 | 14 hours ago

Offense just ends up always more valued when both above average.

IllegitimateRisk | Nuggets

3 | 14 hours ago

Because the team with more points is the one who wins the game. And no single defender can move faster than a chest pass

mekarz

3 | 13 hours ago

Dont have to keep up with every pass when he can cover so much space already

collax974

3 | 12 hours ago

Meanwhile Wemby: “Why try to outrun a chest pass when I can just cover them both anyway”

Spiritual_Echo_1000 | Spurs

3 | 11 hours ago

You’re talking about one-on-one defense only. What about pick and roll. Wemby the only person in NBA history can defend the pick AND the roll

Any_Garbage_4359

-18 | 14 hours ago

The sudden push for “Wemby over Jokic and SGA” makes no sense. Jokic is averaging a triple‑double, putting up historic offensive numbers, and is still the best offensive player in the league. His defense isn’t elite, but his offensive impact easily outweighs whatever edge Wemby has on that end.

SGA has the best advanced stats in the NBA, has carried OKC to a 50–15 record, and is on pace to break Wilt’s record while the Thunder are somehow the second‑most injured team in the league. Even if OKC slips from the 1‑seed, SGA’s case is still stronger everyone knows they’d be several games ahead if they were healthy.

Wemby’s defense is incredible, but his offense is inconsistent, he’s been on a minutes limit all season, and historically the MVP award has always leaned toward offensive dominance because the DPOY award exists for a reason. Putting him in the same tier as Jokic and SGA right now is like pretending young KD was already on prime LeBron’s level. Jokic and SGA are in their primes; Wemby is still developing.

Even if the Spurs somehow get the 1‑seed, that alone doesn’t give him a better MVP case. It would require Jokic and SGA to fall off, OKC and Denver to lose games, Wemby to suddenly become offensively consistent, and the media to go all‑in on the narrative. Jumping from #4 to #1 isn’t realistic it’s just wishful thinking from Wemby fans. Mvp award has never been best player on the best team SOLELY.

MikeyBastard1 | Spurs

6 | 13 hours ago

Victor has a better net rating them SGA.

Offensive Rating:

SGA: 120.4

Victor: 119.3

Defensive Rating:

SGA: 105.2

Victor: 103.4

Net Rating:

SGA: 15.2 (2nd in the league among those likely to be eligible)

Victor: 16(1st int he league)

Cool SGA plays solid defense and really solid offense. Victor plays legendary defense and really solid offense. If defense mattered to the voters, Victor is the CLEAR MVP

Several_Hour_347

4 | 12 hours ago

This guy just said SGA is only “solid” on offense 😂😂😂

MikeyBastard1 | Spurs

1 | 12 hours ago

I always forget that literal kids can sign up on this site.

Several_Hour_347

-1 | 11 hours ago

I forget they let morons post who think one of the most efficient 30ppg of all time by a guard is “really solid”

MikeyBastard1 | Spurs

2 | 11 hours ago

You’re upset over semantics lmao. What SGA is doing offensively isn’t close in comparison to what Wemby is doing defensively.

SGA isn’t even the best offensive player lmao. That’s easily Jokic.

32/4/6 on 55/38/90 vs 29/13/10 on 57/39/83. Shai doesnt even come CLOSE to the numbers Jokic is generating for his team

Several_Hour_347

-4 | 11 hours ago

You must really thought Gobert had a MVP case in his DPOY years. He’s completely out of his prime now and is actually close to Wemby’s shot deterrence rate this year

Wemby’s offense is absolute dog water for a center btw when it comes to MVPs

MikeyBastard1 | Spurs

3 | 11 hours ago

You really that daft, bro? I can’t tell if it’s legitimate ignorance or if you’re just being disingenuous. I feel like I’m losing grey matter just entertaining this conversation. So i’ll end it with this.

Victor is putting up: 24/11/3 1 steal 3 blocks on 51/35/82 while playing the best defense the league has seen in 2 decades.

Good riddance to people that know you irl

Several_Hour_347

-2 | 11 hours ago

51 as a center is absolutely pathetic… also 29 mpg as a starter is pathetic. If you’re not on the court, your defensive impact doesn’t exist

Kball4177 | Mavericks

-22 | 14 hours ago

Counterpoint - Luka should get it over both bc he has a much worse supporting cast yet is still in the race for a top 3 seed.

Lakes w/o Luka: 6-6: -6 Net Rating

Spurs w/o Wemby: 10-4: +3 Net Rating

OKC w/o SGA: 8-4: +7 Net Rating

rapelbaum | Heat

57 | 15 hours ago

Herro haters in shambles 🤣

Boy wonder is back and the Heat is looming dangerously

Electronic_Pea_4845 | Iran

11 | 14 hours ago

Hope u guys get Giannis next year

Brochacho27 | MIA

3 | 11 hours ago

Same as it ever was

PressureMiserable | Spurs

-15 | 14 hours ago

Another play in win OTW to get swept by the first good team they face

Muted_Dog7317 | Heat

13 | 14 hours ago

Eh I think we’re a lot better this year. Not contenders or anything but good enough to maybe get out of the play in and put up a fight in the first round.

PressureMiserable | Spurs

-18 | 14 hours ago

I mean as of right now yall would face the Celtics and that I could see the heat getting a game if they shoot bad but not much more than that tbh

Muted_Dog7317 | Heat

11 | 14 hours ago

Depending on the matchup and Tatums health could determine how competitive we are. I do think Pistons and Knicks are better matchups for us than Celtics and Cavs

Shiva- | Supersonics

4 | 13 hours ago

Knicks vs. Heat again? Somewhere out there a legion of boomers just got a hardon.

Shiva- | Supersonics

8 | 13 hours ago

Nah, it’s just about that time for another Heat vs. Celtics ECF again.

prof-kaL

7 | 11 hours ago

Imagine being this miserable, you must be the first Spurs fan to turn into what OKC fans are now.

PressureMiserable | Spurs

-5 | 11 hours ago

Yeah, dude, this isn’t me shitting on the heat. This is me shitting on Pat Riley and how they’re ran. The course is run on this current team at best they’re a first round out with very little potential to be more than that and very few young guys who could help them jump higher than that. They’re in the worst place in the nba “the middle” where ur not good enough to win a playoff series, but ur also not bad enough to get a good lottery pick and a shot to develop a young player. Im saying this cus we were literally there a few years ago and its not fun at all

prof-kaL

6 | 11 hours ago

That’s a lot of words to say you’re a loser

PressureMiserable | Spurs

-2 | 11 hours ago

Sure, buddy, enjoy mediocrity for the entirety of the future ig since the heat desperately doesn’t wanna be bad for 1 singular year

prof-kaL

2 | 10 hours ago

You’re a weirdo. SO now you can add that on top of being a loser :)

PressureMiserable | Spurs

0 | 10 hours ago

Sure buddy id rather be whatever u think i am than mindlessly delusional..my bad tho ig its weird to not wanna see a franchise and their entire fanbase end up in the same place year after year instead of actually having hope for the future

frozen2665 | Heat

2 | 11 hours ago

They’re in the worst place in the nba “the middle”

Saying this like the 2017 season wasn’t the single most fun regular season in Heat history (9 seed, missed the playoffs)

SnooChipmunks469 | Knicks

-19 | 14 hours ago

Real dangerous in the seven seed.

rapelbaum | Heat

23 | 14 hours ago

1 game behind the 5th

SnooChipmunks469 | Knicks

-20 | 14 hours ago

Sure but still a long way off the competent teams and even more to actually good ones.

santana722 | Heat

7 | 11 hours ago

Praying for the Knicks playoff matchup this year tbh. Will be so funny to send y’all home.

Mindless-Finance-896

7 | 11 hours ago

(Again)

WTFIsAMeta

2 | 6 hours ago

I mean, Heat also haven’t had a remotely healthier roster all year.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

59 | 14 hours ago

Damn didn’t realize Herro was balling out so much lately. Good for him and the Heat.

Lobster15s | Heat

19 | 12 hours ago

He missed most of the season. Quite possibly the only reason we’re just barely above playins. That and Ware finally buying into his role on defense.

iamjeseus | Knicks

32 | 14 hours ago

Almost 5 blocks should be illegal

bettercallsaul3 | West

17 | 13 hours ago

He has more blocks than a lot of teams. TEAMS

siphillis | Spurs

1 | 6 hours ago

With teams AVOIDING HIM

BananaRepublic_BR | Spurs

23 | 14 hours ago

Wemby has averaged 4.5 blocks per game in the ten games since the All-Star break, but averages 3 on the season. I wonder how teams will try to adjust as the season draws to a close.

shinbreaker | Spurs

13 | 13 hours ago

He’ll just learn a new technique. Last one was the debut of his no-look block, and we’ve already seen his crouching mantis block where he hides behind Castle. He wants those blocks and he’s not going to stop until he gets them all.

SlayerSFaith

5 | 11 hours ago

When will teams learn that to get Wemby’s blocks down they should simply not shoot when he is on the floor

BananaRepublic_BR | Spurs

2 | 11 hours ago

Honestly, just give him the ball.

Kball4177 | Mavericks

17 | 14 hours ago

As of today - 1st team all nba should be - Jokic - Wemby - Luka - SGA - Cade.

SignificantDesign424

57 | 14 hours ago

Agree, except I’d put Carter Bryant in over Luka.

OKC2023champs | Thunder

14 | 14 hours ago

Throw Cason Wallace in there while we’re at it

Kball4177 | Mavericks

15 | 14 hours ago

True - after the amount of 3s Luka missed last game - he probably dropped out of contention for an All NBA spot & fell 7 spots in the MVP Rankings to #49

smartkeg | Warriors

1 | 12 hours ago

gui santos erasure

Thehelloman0 | Spurs

8 | 14 hours ago

Wemby’s strategy of crouching down and acting like he won’t be able to block you is baiting players into shooting close to him more leading to him getting more blocks

whtge8 | Magic

8 | 14 hours ago

Damn thought Paolo was gonna get it.

Anxious_Blueberry_65 | Nuggets

4 | 14 hours ago

bro third stat isnt assist its fucking blocks

Dymatizeee | Knicks

4 | 14 hours ago

I’m a Paolo hater but it shulda been him

guidethyhandd | Timberwolves

2 | 12 hours ago

Wemby is different man, def will be the Wilt of this generation

axnjxn00 | Magic

5 | 10 hours ago

Huge slight to paolo lol

One_Consequence3861

1 | 11 hours ago

Is he better then naz ried?

swizznastic

2 | 6 hours ago

Thats .3 more points from my beast in the east than your french onion FRAUD

CoulibalyMVP | Wizards

-10 | 15 hours ago

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

cleo22270 | Heat

35 | 14 hours ago

Instead of being a hater, maybe you can try being happy for others’ achievements?

Also, I can’t believe this high-horsing of NBA achievements coming from a Wizards flair.

VeniceRapture | Spurs

29 | 14 hours ago

He meant Wemby was the coughing baby

Less-Tax5637 | Knicks

8 | 14 hours ago

I bet Wemby doesn’t even know all the words to Rap God

frozen2665 | Heat

1 | 11 hours ago

Doesn’t even have Hood Tendencies smh

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