Victor Wembanyama 29/8/1/2/4 and Stephon Castle 23/3/5 in the blowout win versus Rockets
Victor Wembanyama 29/8/1/2/4 0 TOV, 9-13 FG, 2-5 3P, 9-10 FT, +27 30 MIN
Stephon Castle 23/3/5 7-13 FG, 3-4 3P +19 26 MIN
De’Aaron Fox 20/2/10 9-15 FG
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401810782
When do we start having a serious discussion about wemby being the mvp this year
When you convince the MVP voters that defense SHOULD be taken in consideration for the MVP award.
Good luck though
The existence of DPOY forced people to treat MVP as offensive player of the year. So they either need to make OPOY a thing or remove DPOY and then people will include both sides of the ball in MVP.
Like if DPOY was around in the 1960s then Bill Russell would probably not have 5 mvps since voters would be satisfied with just giving him DPOY instead even if he rightyfully deserved MVP
Yeah, DPOY and all defence mean that the rest of the awards lean(if not totally fall) towards offence, where defence is basically just used as a tiebreaker if two players are close enough offensively. Off topic but they gotta make all defence 3rd team a thing already.
They only do that for sga over jokic/ luka for some reason
Because the fans are convinced they play absolutely 0 defense and are complete cones because of a few nitpicked plays that go viral on social media
It is insane how Luka went to LA and now all of a sudden people are seeing he is a generational offensive talent with average or below average D when he’s been like this a majority of his career
People have known Luka is a lazy defender forever. Don’t make up stuff
The average basketball viewer did not pay attention to it until recently and is told what narratives they should know. Analysts on sports shows are all talking about it now. Social media is memeing it and picking apart videos. This all came with him coming to a top 3 biggest market team and all the bad takes that come with it.
Just another example of people thinking the bubble they’re in is everyone and it’s especially bad on Reddit
Giannis? Embiid??
I mean, if only a handful of mvps all time were players that were more known for their defense than their offense, and most of them had insane offense, then its pretty clear that voters are pretty consistent in that metric. Out of all the best players in the league, wembys overall value is as good as anyones, but his offense is also the weaker half of his game, while the guys seen as better players than him are all monsters on offense. There isn’t an offensive player of the year while there’s a dpoy, so mvp has become the defacto offensive player of the year award. Changing that or adding a new award for offensive player of the year this far into the leagues history imo would be a blow to players in past generations that were voted by the old criteria.
David robinson Hakeem Duncan
David Robinson and Hakeem we’re both elite offensive players like Giannis. Timmy and KG are the most notable exceptions imo. If out of every mvp since the dpoy was introduced, only two guys were known for their significantly better defense, then I would say the award is being awarded consistently.
This isn’t me trying to hate on Wemby by the way. Jokic and Wemby are my two favourite players to watch, and Timmy’s my fav player all time.
Yeah, it’s gonna be really hard for Wemby to ever win MVP because of this. He’s almost always going to be a lock for DPOY unless there is voter fatigue or something. I can’t imagine them giving him both DPOY and MVP. Hopefully, this makes them create an OPOY like in the NFL.
Creating OPOY really isn’t the solution. Because then you get into not recognizing the other aspects as well. Like then what about Rebounder of the year and All-Rebounding teams.
Removing DPOY and All-Defense teams is the real solution. There is no reason to award singular aspects of basketball, when players should be judged for how they are overall.
When Shai doesn’t hit 65 games is when we can seriously discuss it lol
I don’t understand why people talk as if Shai is miles ahead of wemby for the purposes of an mvp discussion
The spurs are closing in on the thunder in the standings, they smoked them in the season series, he’s obviously the best defensive player on earth by orders of magnitude, and is still highly effective on offense
At the end of the day Shai is averaging 31.6 PPG on unreal efficiency. 2nd most efficient 30ppg season in history and is only very slightly behind 2016 Steph. Wembys defense is obviously unreal but Shai is genuinely having one of the greatest scoring seasons in history and they’re on pace to win like 65 games
I truly think Wemby wins it next year, it takes a few years to gain the full mvp traction and I expect his offense to sky rocket to 30PPG next year as he puts in crazy amount of work in the offseason, he is going to break the league lmao 🤣
We’re all gonna be defending our goat cases after Wemby wins his 8th dpoy and 5th mvp.
Because MVP is a purely offensive award chosen exclusively through media narratives. There’s nothing objective about it.
We need to actually start having a conversation about how diluted that award has become.
Yeah you’re not wrong but at the same time idk how people can look at what wemby does on defense and pretend like it’s not relevant
They’re basically creating the narrative that he’ll get the DPOY and that should be enough for him this year… And that for some reason they’ve applying this year’s post season success to his next season’s consideration. It’s a completely illogical framework. But that’s what the MVP is. It’s a subjective award chosen by a bunch of casuals.
I’ll admit to being a Shai hater, so take this as you will. If DPOY is enough for Wemby, then the Scoring Title should be enough for Shai. Or just make three awards: DPOY, OPOY, MVP.
I’d have no problem giving Shai OPOY, but I truly don’t think he’s more valuable than Wemby, especially if the Spurs somehow sneak away with the 1 seed.
The spurs were beating top teams without wemby, the fact of the matter is both teams are good and both players are elite but one team has been injured all year and the other hasn’t.
I think the spurs will take the 1 seed as long as they don’t drop games, but Shai is still having an MJ season and carrying wins
Some nights it’s wemby, some it’s castle, some fox, some Harper and some champanie.
On okc it’s alwyas Shai when he’s playing
That’s a box score watcher take. If you were watching our games you’d know that Spurs don’t win without Victor’s defensive impact, and we can clearly see that that’s not being considered for the MVP right now. Listen to the media talking heads when they talk MVP. They straight up ignore anything Victor does on the defensive end when it comes to MVP and that’s all my point.
They’re forcing the issue that Victor and Spurs should just be happy they give him the DPOY this year while forcing the MVP to the offensive player of the year instead. That’s not that Shai doesn’t deserve the award consideration too. Just that the award is a media narrative and they create whatever narrative they want.
Fans of teams who win the award then delude themselves into thinking it was objective all along.
I expanded my comment on another post but I think victor gives, the spurs the highest floor in the league, if you check my post history I am straight up nervous about the spurs in the playoffs. I’m taking nothing away from the team and from victor.
The facts are.
Shai is having a historical season and is close to breaking an insane 20 point streak by wilt 60 years ago.
Okc is the 2nd most injured team in the league by players sitting and is still the 1 seed in the league. Shai is largely keeping up there, and has led our comebacks and clutch stats for gritty wins.
Wemby is the best 2 way player right now, but offensively (MVP favors offense putting the ball in the basket and winning matters most) other teammates step up and carry the team.There was a stat in December y’all had a win streak with a different lead scorer every game.
When Shai has been on the floor this season the team lives or dies by him every time. Shai also leads major advanced stats and has historical efficiency for a guard
Now if okc was healthy I’d say mvp might be wemby’s at this point
Has it become diluted? Its always been voted the same way more or less ince DPOY was introduced. The only fix would have been to add an OPOY award at the same time.
or we take the first Seed… which will not be easy.. they are good
Even then Shai likely still wins it due to the PPG + efficiency numbers and advanced stats love him as well. I think Wemby genuinely wins it next year though, it takes a few years to build up the steam for the mvp narratives so he will be right at the top especially if he plays how people expect him to going forward
I think sga def deserves it if he plays 65 and OKC is first seed.. if spurs is 2nd I don’t see why Wemby shouldn’t be 2nd
Yeah but what’s fun in r/nba if you’re not completely reactionary
When defense starts being an actual factor for it
Today, Wemby changes the game on both ends and it’s ridiculous how he does it.
Now
Honestly I think he should Deff be # 2, what he really has going for him is his team is also great night in and night out. A lot of shais narrative is how injured okc has been and how there are many games he has to walk them to the finish line
Shai was playing without j will when they were on that hot streak and he came back to playing at an elite level after the asg
Btw it’s JDUB.
The better one is jdub - he gets dubs
The big is jwill- he’s still good but just goes by his name
when you convince the media that votes on it to consider team success like they used to in the past.
Spurs have to get the 1 seed or SGA has to miss more games. SGA gets it if OKC gets the 1 seed, but Wemby will get some 1st place votes.
Next year is going to be wide open, though.
The moment he starts to deserve it.
Not until he catches up to SGA in the flops per minute category
Wemby these past 3 games showing flashes of his prime self after the insane “the idea of wemby is better than the player ” stuff I’ve been seeing after the ASB
Turns out not sleeping in your own bed for like a month can make your play not quite right
Ngl those beds must be horrible on the road
Any normal human who has to sleep in hotels for work on a frequent basis knows how difficult it is to sleep the first night.
Two things: (i) NBA players sleep in a new hotel room every night that they are on the road, (ii) Wemby is not normal human-sized.
Tbh, these players 100% get customized beds. Teams will know exactly what type of bed is best for a player and they’ll organize it with the hotel beforehand. Although it still can’t compare to your own house and bed.
So every hotel that the spurs have stayed in, has a Wemby mattress in storage waiting for him?
Yeah FR 8 foot mattresses aren’t exactly something most hotels keep in the closet, honestly it would be less surprising if you told me the spurs just have oversized mattresses they ship around wherever the team travels
Yes. (4 regular mattresses duct-tapped together. In a trenchcoat.)
True. Besides, he probably forgot his blanky on the rodeo road trip anyway.
Is there even a single hotel with a bed big enough for him?
i got told in a Wemby stat thread like two weeks ago that “every player goes through bad sleep patterns at some stage” and that Wemby can’t be using bad sleep on a long roadtrip as an excuse
as if a player who’s a 7’5 alien getting it done on both ends of the floor every game as his team’s first option isn’t gonna be affected by poor sleep patterns lol, Wemby is 1 of 1
I mean, he’s also 22. So it’s not like he’s a 10 year vet either
We were still like 8-1 on the road trip though lol
Right, he just focused on defense instead and was somehow even better than usual at that.
We’re mad we lost that one game tho. If Fox actually decided to be worth his contract we’d have won that game.
We’ve won like 15 of our past 16, I don’t think we’re that mad about that loss. You also seem miserable if you’re mad about Fox’s contract the way this season has gone.
hahahaha as expected. once you comment, you’re gonna spew some bullsh*t hate comment against Fox, for now. Next year maybe another Spur will incur Mr. Objective’s hate lol
Some teams of professional cyclists on Tour de France sometimes bring another truck with just the personal mattress of each guy. I wouldnt be shocked if Wemby end up doing the same
Wemby can buy a house and car in every fucking city and not bat an eye. And then fill them out with mattresses etc etc.
In fairness, the idea of Wemby is the greatest defensiev player ever and one of the better offensive players in the league. He is obviously not gonna be that good every game, the offense in terms of consistency is not there yet which is fine as he is like 21
Those are the holdouts who dubbed him a bust after his first summer league game.
20⁄210? Goddamn, Fox is ass lol
idk man threw up 210 shots in 32 minutes. Sounds kinda goated to me
Yelling KOBE as he jacks up his 24th consecutive full court airball
DeAaron Fox, DeVry University
Straight up doo doo
Wemby should easily be mvp runner up
SGA winning it wouldn’t be bad, but ONLY HE should be ahead of Wemby. As much as I despise him and OKC, he’s playing at an insane level.
It’ll be the last one he wins if he does it this year, good for him though
lmao
SGA still has that in lock rn. Hard to capture defense on stats
Every fucking Spur player is playing so good just as playoffs are around
zero turnovers
Pretty solid
Leigh Ellis approves
Fox going 20⁄210 isn’t a good look. We should trade him ASAP tbh.
Huh? It’s 20 points and 210 rebounds. Guy didn’t lists assists
Damn how tall is fox that’s wilt numbers
Yeah, the rodeo road trip was burning him out.
Johnson and Harper with 20 and 19 as well, this team is deeeeep
This trio is so dangerous.
the heart wants what it wants and mine has decided to be a wemby hater
my heart fucked up cause watching this dude dominate for a decade+ is going to suck
Change your heart.
MVP this man
No