Draymond Green: “Sometimes parents come up to me and say ‘Yo, my son play just like you.’ and I think to myself like ‘Yo son is ass.’
That’s hilarious because I know exactly what he means
Yup if your son is Draymond in high school, he’s not getting very far. You need to be an absolute offensive phenom in high school to make the NBA and even be a bench warmer. Being Draymond in the NBA is a completely different thing.
yeah being a “the box score doesn’t reflect my impact” while putting up 9/8/5 in high school means you should start hitting the books
Draymond was a monster in high school and at MSU. Every NBA guy was the best player in their state growing up. They play roles in the NBA because people like Steph, KD, LeBron, Wemby, etc. exist.
25⁄13 as the first option and led them to the state title lol. Draymond was jokic in high school lmao
This will be a go to stat for the rest of my life when trying to explain this
& Patrick Bev stats, his senior year he averaged 37pts, 6R, 6A, 8S per game in HS.
Fucking 8 steals a game?? Jfc
37 points is whatever for high school ball, but the 8 steals screams pesky defender and that held true in the NBA.
Im not a scout, but if i were i think id be pretty bad at my job ignorong 37 ppg as a “whatever”
It’s pretty crazy how many people forget that even being mid/ass by NBA standards means you’re still a shit ton better than 95% of the entire worlds population in basketball and would absolutely fuckin torch any regular human being.
Something something “closer to LeBron” and all that.
95%? That number is more like 99.99% I’m probably still underselling it.
More like you’re better than 99.9% of basketball players in the world. Hell, playing in Europe in an A league, you’re still better than 99% of former collegeplayers.
And at MSU he is the only player other than Magic to ever have multiple triple doubles.
Yep. If you’re already putting up Draymond numbers in high school that means you could never, ever score a single point in the NBA lol
Hey now, Bronny has 128 career points. He’s in the record books, you know. Highest father/son scoring tandem in NBA history.
Bronny was scoring 14.1⁄5.6⁄2.1 in high school. He wasn’t that much a chum and was a 4-star recruit.
Based on his upside, not his output
Based on his last name, not his upside
Wasn’t he playing at a super school or something?
For reference, Pat Bev averaged like 37 in high school.
Some of the rando NBA players have some wild high school records.
Kelenna Azabuike averaged like 40 per game in Oklahoma, and Al Jefferson did the same in Mississippi.
Al Jefferson isn’t a surprise at all, the dude was a walking bucket in the post, jumped to the NBA directly from high school, and was 6’10”.
i think high school stats are a bad barometer because it really depends on your competition. Some nba dudes grew up playing against the most unathletic, unskilled suburban kids imaginable based on what conference their school played in. 37 points for one guy in a private school is gonna be much less if he played in a public city school.
Even the enforcers in hockey were all phenomenal players, despite being used at the pro level to intimidate the other team
It would be pretty cool if a kid was actually Draymond, in the sense that they play LOCKDOWN defense, are elite passers, can still score and are doing it all while winning state championships. THAT is truly a Draymond HS player.
However I can almost guarantee it’s some asshole kid who always crosses the line and gets chippy, + has a triple single statline which is making the parents make that comparison. lol.
Problem with that is if you’re not showing out then you won’t get noticed. There’s just too many qualified players and too few spots. Odds are there’s someone else who could do that and still dominate their competition.
Ja got a look because luck was on his side and a coach happened to want chips and saw him playing. The rest itself is history.
The thing is, there’s no such thing as a high school kid good enough to do all that in terms of defense and passing while being unable to do similar things offensively.
Any kid kid who is athletically gifted enough to be an absolute elite defender AND play maker at a high school level is also just enough beyond the competition to put up 20+ points.
Yeah, especially with how easily lower-level competition gets dominated by pure athleticism. If you’re fast enough to not be a traffic cone in high level competition, you’re fast enough to treat most kids like traffic cones.
If you’re 6’5”+ and have even a hint of mobility, you’re qualified to be a 20 point per game Center in any state in America.
The thing is, if the kid can do that at Draymond’s level he should also be able to score 30 on their asses.
Scottie Barnes in high school
??? That role is even more common at the hs level
Unless you went to a powerhouse high school like Montverde. Pretty sure Scottie literally put up like 10/6/5 during high school there lol.
So yea, you can play a Draymond type of role in HS but your HS team better be stacked.
Not just a powerhouse. Arguably one of the greatest high school basketball teams of all time.
His athleticism was crazy, but a big contributor to his recruiting was him being the “glue guy” and a great teammate.
Edit: I just looked and there were 5 first round picks on that team. Insane.
Plus a couple of second rounders and the rest of the team played/play D1 hoops. Truly insane
I was one of those kids who could dunk and had a few good moves that made me look good. Like guys would say I could be in the NBA and shit. Me and my teammates would go to different parks and run with guys and one time at Venice there was a legit crew with guys who were D1 and it was ridiculous how they demolished us. I felt like a child playing against their dad. I did have a massive trailing block against one which is shamelessly one of my favorite sports memories lol. The gap between NBA players and regular guys is so extreme it’s comical
The difference in level is insane. I played against a guy who is a scrub in college basketball, dude was like Lebron against us regular dudes
Scallenge V2.0
It’s insane how normalized it is to watch the absolute pinnacle of basketball talent on a nightly basis too. It’s easy to forget how good these players are
9/8/5 isn’t getting you to the league, but like that’s definitely really good in high school
There’s someone in the league who went 14/5/2 in highschool tho
Haha very true. I was that type of player, just a little better numbers. Speaking from experience, it can get you in the door as a walk on at an NAIA type of school, which is still a lot of fun for people who just love to play basketball.
But yeah, your bball career will end after that (if it even makes it that far) so focus on your studies and don’t be one of the loser athletes at a low level school that sleeps through class and doesn’t take the academic side of things seriously (yes, sadly there are a lot of people like this).
Draymond had an offensive bag in college, im sure these parents dont even know that and are just saying hes playing like his NBA playstyle
Every player in an NBA starting lineup cooked in HS and was either the superstar or Big 3 of their college team.
Peyton Watson erasure!
??? Peyton Watson was a McDonald’s All-American and the #1 recruit in CA. It was a huge deal when UCLA was able to keep him in-state after Gonzaga and Arizona recruited him hard
Edit: my bad, missed the second part of the comment you were replying to. He wasn’t considered top 3 on that UCLA team at the time, but he definitely should have been. Mick Cronin didn’t give him playing time because that was a stacked veteran team coming off the Final Four. If he got more playing time as the defensive stopper, the team would have got further than the Sweet 16
Draymond had an offensive bag in the NBA lol. Just regressed so hard after KD.
Dude they forget his Finals and playoffs performances with high scoring, forget college
He was the only warrior who wasn’t allergic to the ball in game 7 of the 2016 finals.
It was really fun being a sparty fan when he was there, and yes draymond definitely got into his bag during NCAA play
The Scalabrine from Boston’s quote always rings so true
“I’m closer to LeBron than you are to me”
Rings true even for Draymond
Tennis is my favorite sport for this because we use a fairly objective skill ranking system now called UTR. I’ve played for ~20 years and am a UTR 8, which is the top few percent of male tennis players. A guy with ~6 months experience is a UTR 1. The best player in the world is a 16. So as a strong amateur, after 20 years, I am roughly equidistant between “guy who is learning to play” and “world’s best player”. That’s how far away amateurs are.
As a former 7 UTR this is generally how I explain things to people
You should watch the most recent Tosh Show. You seem like the kind of person that would enjoy it.
Exactly what I thought of. Really cool insights about the sport
You say even for Draymond like he isn’t closer to LeBron than Brian Scalabrine
For real. Dray is waaaaaaaay closer to LeBron than Scalabrine is to Dray
even for Draymond
Guy is at minimum a top 200 player in the entire history of the NBA (reasonable people would say much higher), the “even” is crazy especially comparing him to white mamba lol
There was a realistic argument for him to be on the top 75 team and likely a lock for the hall of fame. I know we don’t like the guy, but his accomplishments and impact are undeniable.
People don’t realize Scalabrine was lethal at USC.
If your kid isn’t putting up crazy numbers in high school they aren’t going anywhere near the nba
Even then, it’s a long shot. I went to high school with someone who led the entire NCAA in scoring one year. Not only did he not get drafted, I don’t think he ever invite to a training camp or summer league. Went straight to Europe after college.
The best player in your high school is lucky to make a D1 college team.
And the best player on most D1 teams is lucky to make the NBA.
The best player on my high school team went to a d3 school. The best player in our league went d1…at university of Albany…where he averaged 2 points a game until his junior year.
Cam Reddish Brother, Aaron?
That would be at a good basketball school. For most schools it would be maybe D2.
You need to be peak Lebron offensively and defensively in your school to even make it. Then you have to dominate the Lebrons of every other school you meet.
always think of Patrick Beverly in his senior year of high school putting up 37-6-6 with like 8 steals a game
Lol yeah. Even Dray was an elite scorer in HS.
if you didn’t then I’d be a little concerned
It’s not like it’s a riddle or something
What’s in my pocketses
Yep
Most relatable I’ve seen him lol…prolly says more about me than it does him, but yeah.
It’d be nice if they finished his sentence so we all know where he means lol
Do you play like Draymond too?
Draymond averaged 25 and 13 boards his junior year in highschool. Your son dropping a triple single is not a good sign.
i don’t think most people understand how good nba role players were before they got to the nba. and a lot of basketball parents fall into this category
The worst nba players were the best college players and the worst college players were the best high schoolers
I would 100% support a game between the NCAA champion and whoever finishes last in the NBA, just so people can truly see how much better NBA players are. It would be absolute destruction.
Just like I wanna see the worst nfl team blast away the ncaa champs. Once that happens all those talking heads will finally shut up with that tiring comment.
Seahawks won 0 SEC games this year. Bama would smoke them.
lol
Lmao
THEY AINT PLAY NOBODY PAWL
another hypothetical win for the SEC
Watching a college Oline try to defend against an NFL Dline would be such a joke. QB would be in the hospital before the end of the first quarter.
I dont wanna see that. To many kids would get seriously injured lol. Imagine a fringe OT from Indiana facing Myles Garrett.
The thing is the NFL NCAA match would be actually dangerous. The NBA game we could just do this and it would get attention I think so I wish they just would do it.
Fucking SEC fans saying their team could beat an NFL team.
Every year, we see first round picks bust compared to pros but fans still think their college team with a few NFL picks and a bunch of randos can beat a full pro team?
To be fair, anyone who witnesses a Jets game would also think that an SEC team would have a shot against them.
yeah the ncaa champs usually have 1-3 nba players and theyre usually role players in the league
Do ncaa vs g league lol, that would emphasize it even more
Still men vs boys
“I like college because they play better defense/ the right way”
Yeah, a dude frantically waving his arms while playing zone D isn’t necessarily good defense.
College players are way ahead in FSPM (Floor Slaps Per Minute)
Dan Patrick said on his show I think in either ‘23, or ‘24 when UConn went back to back that he asked DraftKings to model and set an opening line for UConn vs the Pistons (they had gone 17-65, and 14-68 back to back seasons) and DraftKings came back and said they would open the line with Pistons -45.
That what I think this nba cup should be. Invite euro teams and a handful of college teams against the lower seeded nba teams and then bring in the top seeds in later rounds
The stats are that of highschoolers playing basketball only 3.6% play NCAA basketball (and that’s all divisions…only 1% make it to Div 1).
Out of NCAA, only 1.1% of those players make it to the NBA
So that means, out of all the high schoolers playing ball, only 0.04% are making it to the NBA.
edit: don’t listen to me!
and the worst college players were the best high schoolers
Nope, this part is not true at all lol. The nba one is true, this isn’t. There’s just too many college basketball players for this to be anywhere close to true. You obviously need talent to play in college, but there are plenty of colleges people can play at that don’t require you to have been the best of the best in high school. Unlike the nba, where there’s only like 450 total spots for the entire world.
“I’m closer to LeBron than you are to me” - Brian Scalabrine.
That quote will be relevant as long as the NBA exists
People should watch “the Scallenge” if they haven’t lol.
Scalabrine was like 35 at the time and played against 4 players with D1 experience, and he absolutely destroyed them.
Was it just prior D1 experience? my recollection was at least one of them was an active Syracuse player. Regardless they were all young early-twenties guys. It was really illustrative considering Scal was several years removed from the league and kinda fat, and it was still so evident that this guy was in a different stratosphere
as long as any sport exists
The worst player in the NBA is probably better at basketball than anyone I’ve ever met is at anything
Everyone who has even sniffed the NBA was THE guy for their time leading up
That kid who destroyed everyone in your neighborhood probably didn’t make it into a college team.
No I’m pretty sure a lot of people do know this. They just don’t know how much better the stars are. Everyone knows if you’re in the NBA you are one of the top players in the world. Then there’s those who make those top players look like scrubs.
I just assume every nba player has dominated most of their games before nba. for everything under college atleast
He’s not offensive juggernaut, but Draymond is a bit more than a role player. He was a key piece of every championship we’ve won.
when i found out Pat Bev averaged 37 in high school, i knew it was somethin different man
And he made the national title game his freshman year and at MSU. Just ran into that buzzsaw tar heel team
Yup. “Defense specialist” Patrick Beverly averaged 40 in high school - in Chicago.
I don’t think they are talking about dropping about dropping a triple single… more being “physical” and a lil asshole on the court
He put up those numbers at the #4 nationally ranked high school team too so that’s a little different than putting up those numbers at an average public school
Y’all he’s not calling himself ass, he’s saying if you’re already the “glue” guy at lower levels of basketball you’re def not making it to the league
I highly doubt any glue guys on a highschool team have NBA ambitions.
cuz they actually are ass
Every team needs roles, role by role compared to nba skills, everyone on that highschool team is ass.
You’d be surprised how often the egos and ambitions of very average HS athletes are inflated by their parents, coaches, relatives, and others around them. Especially the parents. Almost every parent wants to believe their son/daughter has what it takes to make it to the top professional level in their sport, but they just end up giving their kid the wrong types of encouragement.
I read something the other day about how low/mid-level HS football recruits who receive scholarship offers usually choose to go with a bigger football school over a more prestigious academic university (e.g. choosing to go to Georgia where they’re likely going to be 4th/5th string as opposed to accepting a scholarship to Yale) because they’ve basically been told their whole lives that they’re destined for the NFL. Then they never end up seeing a single collegiate snap or barely contribute when they do get on the field, and they ultimately end up receiving a less prestigious education/degree. I get being a HS-level glue guy is different from an athlete that was good enough to receive scholarship offers, but the point still stands.
The whole “you can be anything you want to be” type of encouragement is a nice sentiment, but it just doesn’t apply to becoming a top 0.00001% professional athlete.
Trying to explain to other kids that I probably would never make the Olympics or NBA because my work ethic, so they for sure weren’t going to make it was odd. Bro I have free rides to college. You didn’t letter til Senior year and you don’t practice 8 hours a day.
Yea i don’t get how this wasnt obvious
The guy getting cut from the roster in the NBA was a stud and main guy at every level before that. If your son plays like Draymond at youth level a change in sports might be an idea if the aim is to make it to the pros.
Parents realistically shouldn’t be expecting their kid to make the pros in pretty much any sport. Have them play, take it seriously, etc, sure. But there are so many things that could go wrong, it doesn’t make sense as like a main career goal.
My son is a really good baseball player. He’s an every day varsity starter as a junior at a 6A school in Texas. Plays third, is a staring pitcher, and backs up second when second is pitching. Second on the team in batting average.
I’m very lucky that he played select for a handful of years with a kid that just might make it. He’s that good. He was 10 times better than my son and everyone else I’ve ever seen. He’s a senior now (at a different 6A school), a Texas commit, and struck out 17 in a 6 inning perfect game last week.
It was awesome, and humbling, to watch. That’s the level of talent it takes to make it, and he may not even make it due to the odds.
The numbers make sense when you think about it and Brian Scalabrine for a while did the Scalabrine challenge and would destroy all comers in 1v1. When he was never considered a great NBA player, and was at best mediocre.
There is only 450 spots on an NBA roster every year at most, and some teams don’t even use them all. Let’s say on the low end 15 million people take basketball seriously, that means to be an NBA player you have to be in the top 0.003% of players.
That 15 million estimate is also extremely generous I could imagine that number being higher. Even a mediocre NBA player is likely way beyond what most amateur basketball players could even come close to doing on an NBA court.
yeah i’m all for positivity and instilling the importance of hard work to kids but you can work insanely hard and not even come close to making the nba
If you check random ass roleplayer’s high school stats they were absolute gods and just mediocre in the NBA.
The pipeline typically is you have to dominate at the high school level, then dominated at the division 1 college level, then you have a good chance of being drafted by an NBA team.
Far easier said than done it basically requires being a top player the entire time you are progressing.
Only 3% of high school basketball players play in college. Only 1% of that 3% will even appear in the NBA.
That 1% seems too high.
Surely there are more than 6000 new college players each year
My cousin was a 2 time junior olympics gold medalist in Judo, back to back and a US Open Gold Medalist with like a gajillion gold medals to his name by the time he was 17. He got called up to go to the Olympic try outs for Judo and got absolutely fucking smoked by someone who was in the same weight class he had never competed against before because the dude was 19 and was never in his age bracket. Cousin was literally ranked #1 in the country and in the triple digits worldwide.
Ended up doing a few MMA fights and then became an accountant.
Its also completely fine to have a kid play like draymond (without the dirty BS) in high school and praise them for it.
Sports isnt about trying to go professional, its about learning how to compete, how to be a part of a team, and how to get the most out of yourself.
There are expectations but unfortunately for the most part this is true
I don’t know any exceptions for this at the high school level
It’s rare but I feel like the occasional g league 7 footer 6’9 guy comes up that average like a double double but nothing to crazy but still made it to the league
Dennis Rodman!
Dudes who grow a foot taller in their late teens maybe
No parent should be aiming for their kid to make it to the pros, that shit is so unlikely even if you are dominating as a kid.
If your son plays like Draymond, just enjoy it and cheer them on like every parent should with their kid
To be fair you can play like Draymond and not have nba size.
There a lot of talents d1 players and Europeans that play like Draymond but don’t have Draymond size
A change in sports? Huh? To got from a 0% shot at being pro to 0% in a new sport? Just do what you like and what makes you want to work hard and as a team an apply that to an actual future.
Cool clip to cut it right before he was going to explain his point.
Cutting it off right before he starts his explanation will not get me to go find and watch the rest of the clip. I’m cool just seeing tha clip and moving on.
I mean, I think we can all figure out exactly what he was going to say next anyway
i think they want you to watch the whole podcast lol
willing to bet this part doesnt show up until 30 minutes in…
Clips like these are made for the tit tok/reels/shorts attention span crowd; funny bite sized videos for people that were never going to watch a longer video anyways.
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Poorly executed advertising.
Imagine thinking a trailer for a 90-second conversation is a thing worth making.
You know what makes me subscribe to podcasts? Seeing full., satifying clips that make me think “that seems like a good podcast”. If you think *this* is a good cliffhanger that will entice me to listen rather than piss me off, you need to go outside a bit more.
Self-aware king
I say this about my own game and I’m ass
If your son ain’t first option in his team then he’s trash
You need to be the first option in your district to even sniff the NBA.
There are cases of guys making it while having been not the best players in their district; guys who walked on in college and improved dramatically while they were there.
But they’re few and far between. Most NBA players were one of the best players in the country in their senior year of high school.
Or you could just play on a stacked team/in a stacked district. Monteverde has multiple future NBA lottery picks playing for then every year.
(Sometimes)
99.999% of first options in HS are also trash compared to Draymond Green lol
Unless its like a basketball academy then it depends
Gary Trent Jr, Tyus and Tre Jones all went to the same school by pure chance at once
I dunno if it’s PURE chance that Tyus and Tre Jones went to the same school
Next thing you’re gonna tell me they’re related or something
That would be insane, two guys with the same last name who made it to the NBA and went to the same high school???
Parents just telling draymond their son is violent and out of control
Draymond…you and my toddler act a lot of a like!
“No, I mean he punched his teammate in practice”
I’ve met a few junior sportspeople where this is a depressingly accurate role model.
There’s some 12 year old stomping on people after elbowing them for a rebound
“You should see him. He never takes off the JanSport.”
did he just dunk on himself?
The point is, I think, that playing like Draymond can be valuable at the NBA level (hustler, good defender, glue piece) but at a youth level someone already being put in a box as the ‘defensive guy’ who can’t shoot is never going to make it.
I mean, maybe not every parent needs or even expects their kid to “make it.” Maybe they’re just proud of their kid playing unselfishly, playing hard and showing good work ethic.
And kicking a guy in the nuts once in a while
and putting a guy in a chokehold once in a while
I tried to get my daughter to up her nut kicking metrics but she says I should be just proud of her playing hard and unselfishly.
Yeah. Idk why all the comments talking about “they’re never making the league playing like draymond”. Almost nobody does regardless of who they play like
Yeah at the hs level draymond was just 2020 lebron. He fills a role in the NBA, but if you have to fill that kind of role to make varsity, your NBA outlook is not great
Now what am I going to do with my bald head son trying to be next Alex Caruso
He can’t even make an open layup, a dunk might be going too far
I think it’s more like, a lot of parents who have kids who can’t score cope by pretending their kid has defensive game.
But even if they’ve got pretty good defensive skills or IQ for their level doesn’t mean they’re going to be a Draymond.
I played semi-pro and my “pros” were:
And cons:
My coaches absolutely loved me and always gave me 15-20 mpg, but my teammates all knew that when I played it was because their defense sucked or they couldn’t score (so I had to push the ball).
I got some offers to play for bad pro teams, but I knew I wasn’t a good player. I was a grit player. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s no way to make a career.
We used to play with the older women’s teams and I’m still connected with a couple of them. One still plays in her late 30s while being a grit player. It’s a terrible experience and I hope she retires soon because her body won’t be able to take that kind of abuse much longer.
meh, beats construction
Does it? You make say, the Greek league as a hustle player and you’re making €100k for a few years and then your career is over at 32. I feel like construction, you’d make more
The parents probably just mean their kid loves kicking opposing players in the nuts.
Basically someone playing like dray does now in high-school is not a good sign lmao
cliffhanger on a podcast clip is unbelievable
As the guy who was the Draymond Green on my team, I know for a fact that he’s right
I knew FVV before he got to the pros. He had the most dry ass personality 😂
It’s amazing that he’s made it as far as he has - I’m proud of him.
But wtf is he doing with a god damned podcast 😂😂😭
I fell in love with FVV after the 2019 run. But the fact that he has a podcast just shows that everyone has a podcast these days 😂
Draymond went to Saginaw High I can confirm he averaged like 25 points and 13 boards a game. He was that good
Dray admits the term “top defender“ doesn’t apply to kids unless they grow to 6’6, and scratch and kick their way to the highest level it takes you
I was there once, I got my chip in 10th grade
Established role players in the NBA absolutely cooked in HS and College.
Why’s everyone acting like the goal of every high school kid and parent is to make the NBA? Most people know they’re just playing for fun. It’s okay to be the glue guy and to be proud of that as a kid and to know that’s as far as you’ll get in basketball. Draymond really sucks as a person.
Draymond is going to be absolute television gold just like Shaq once he retires.
I think you guys forget how great Draymond was back during the Warriors’ run in 2015
Most self aware he’s ever been
There is a similar story in soccer. One professional was visiting the academy of young players. He asked one of the young players what his best attribute was, the young player said defending was his best attribute. The pro knew that youth wasn’t going to make it
this podcast is ass