InTheMorning_Nightss | San Diego Clippers

130 | 17 hours ago

He’s basically the complete opposite of the Pacers entire system. He’s super talented, but he truly has some of the worst tunnel vision I have ever seen. If he plays unselfish ball + gets like 30% better at making reads, passes, and decisions, then he’ll be a legitimately very good player.

As of now he’s still a plus player, but he basically limits himself to a sixth man because you don’t want him mucking up the offense for your best players.

SpinJitsu259 | Pacers

27 | 16 hours ago

If he’d commit to more of an off-ball focused game (like in college), he could be something really interesting. Like, if he committed to a style similar to a Kon Knueppel, his game would have a different juice to it.

But he’s so insistent on being an iso player/scorer who doesn’t quite have the handles or burst to kill in that role. Hope he finally figures it out at some point because the talent is tremendous albeit misapplied.

InTheMorning_Nightss | San Diego Clippers

11 | 16 hours ago

I have no expectation that he’d do something like that unless he really finds himself in a bad spot in his career (which isn’t likely).

I literally just want him to play more like he did in the 2nd half where he just makes some connecting passes instead of killing all offensive flow with an ISO.

Like I said, end of the day, he’s still a plus player even with his flaws. Just annoying because he basically just hits his floor, which is insane given that his floor is a solid 6th man. He has the talent to have a ceiling of a star or at least a quality starter.

JonEnterprise | Timberwolves

5 | 14 hours ago

If Mathurin had a brain, he’d be an all nba player lol

samurairocketshark | Suns

6 | 9 hours ago

Kneuppel’s style kind of only works in the modern nba if you can be a threat from 3

probablymade_thatup | Bucks [MIL] Luke Kornet

8 | 8 hours ago

The Clippers also made a big improvement in athleticism (and youth) at the deadline. He brings a dimension to their team that helps a lot, whereas he was one of many young athletes on the Pacers. His fit is just better with this Clippers team in a few ways compared to his Pacers role

Clemsontigger16

6 | 8 hours ago

Agreed, his game didn’t mesh well with the Pacers system, it was a mutually beneficial move to part with him. Plus Zubac is great, plus they didn’t want to pay him…makes complete sense

InTheMorning_Nightss | San Diego Clippers

2 | 7 hours ago

I really think LAC is gonna get Mathurin on a very nice deal given how many scoring guards are about to be FAs + the draft is full of them. Add in that he’s an RFA and teams likely are dissuaded from throwing an offer at him.

Clemsontigger16

1 | 7 hours ago

Yeah true, even without all the market context, RFA is just broken right now and pretty much just sets players up to be low balled.

They really need to rework it or something, last year was depressing watching a few of these genuinely decent players get completely low balled.

unwisest_sage | Magic

6 | 10 hours ago

Jamal Crawford?

mrtrollmaster | IND

4 | 6 hours ago

If he plays unselfish ball + gets like 30% better at making reads, passes, and decisions, then he’ll be a legitimately very good player.

Pacers fans have said this for the last 3 years, but then we watched Nembhard and Nesmith go so hard in a playoff run that we had to admit Mathurin had no chance to start here. Glad he got to go somewhere he could get minutes.

InTheMorning_Nightss | San Diego Clippers

5 | 6 hours ago

Yep. Nesmith and Nembhard who are nice players that play perfect system basketball. Nesmith’s playoff run in particular was absolutely disgusting.

End of the day I think Benn may be more talented just from raw attributes, but he’s such a black hole that you he’ll always be a less impactful player unless he has a pretty big turnaround.

TheDraftGuy

1 | 6 hours ago

He’s pretty much a Jamal Crawford archetype. Immensely talented but due to his limited playstyle, it leads to inconsistency. Great players tend to know how to read the floor and make the one pass or move with/without the ball to better facilitate the team’s offense (as opposed to just moving with the sole purpose of gunning it).

You can still win a championship with a guy like that but he’s more like a 6th Man, as you said, or a 4th option who can supplement two all-around All-Star caliber wings.

RapsareChamps_Suckit | Clippers

13 | 17 hours ago

yep and now, come spring, we will run the west and the hornets will run the east… life is good

SpinJitsu259 | Pacers

10 | 17 hours ago

He’s already demonstrated the frustrating see-saw of good/bad productivity as a Clipper as he did a Pacer. I think he’s destined to be a sixth-man type, but hold out hope he breaks out for real one of these years.

WheelSilent2373

2 | 16 hours ago

him and iivey both being slightly underwhelming is so wild too me, I thought both were much better bets than shaedon sharpe, but as it stands Sharpe is by far the best of the 3 and has shown the most growth in his game

MindofShadow | Pacers

6 | 8 hours ago

Sharpe is not “by far” better than mathurin. He just shoots the ball more because he’s been on crap teams instead of playoff contenders.

yeyiyeyiyo | Pacers

4 | 11 hours ago

Shows you how valuable shooting is for anyone who isnt a first option.

fastheadcrab | Raptors

2 | 16 hours ago

He was a great tank commander on the Pacers this year. Probably single-handedly helped lock in 5 or more losses.

Props to him for turning it around on the Clippers. Also being in non-tanking scenario helps his mentality too

Joe_Betz_ | Pacers

1 | 9 hours ago

Nope. They’re are (likely) going to be paying a top4 pick, and that’s the bulk of their cap space. Mathurin is going to get 20+ million and play in a system that leans into his iso play

MindofShadow | Pacers

-1 | 8 hours ago

based on his performance in LAC, he still isn’t worth 20m

Joe_Betz_ | Pacers

2 | 8 hours ago

He’s played really well though? I cannot imagine a world where he makes less than a 3 year, 60 deal. If not with the Clippers than elsewhere.

MindofShadow | Pacers

0 | 8 hours ago

His TS% is the worst its been in his career in LAC.

He is being saved by his crazy increase in Free Throw rate right now but all Pacers fans know that comes and goes night to night. His eFG is 45% right now, worst in his career.

Joe_Betz_ | Pacers

2 | 8 hours ago

Not great, Bob.

Still, he will obviously be signed. What do you think he gets? My guess is 3 years, 60, with a team option in year 3.

TheCalmInsanity | Clippers

2 | 5 hours ago

To be fair, he’s been on a crazy 3pt shooting slump - at one point in the game yesterday the announcers mentioned he’s 5 for his last 30. Thats lower than his usual average by a long shot

MindofShadow | Pacers

0 | 5 hours ago

Maybe he’s getting different looks in this system than he got in Indy.

I actually like the guy a lot, I was really hoping he would put it all together with us. And if not, accept the 6th man role he was so good at. So I dont’ wish him ill will at all and hope he turns into an All-Star for yall.

I personally don’t have much faith in him being anyting more than what he is but not because I don’t like him.

TheCalmInsanity | Clippers

1 | 5 hours ago

That’s fair, I just don’t think it would make him drop down to 16%

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

2 | 4 hours ago

So you judge Mathurin’s TS% for 9 games with the Clippers. Quick, now do Nesmith’s TS% over this whole season.

MindofShadow | Pacers

1 | 4 hours ago

Dude, I’m talking about his time in LAC because dude said “hes played well in LAC” when he hasn’t.

Take his whole season if you want, he isn’t worth 20m which is one reason we traded him. There is ALWAYS an excuse with Mathurin with some of you. “oh its rick’s fault, he doesn’t play young guys (despite on his own team Nembhard getting minutes).” “oh its his toe” “oh he just needs to start” “oh he needs a new team”

Nesmith has been straight ass this year, never said otherwise? What is this weird comment? Wanna talk about “insert random wing” next?

I lke mathurin too, hope for the best. But so far he is what he is.

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

2 | 3 hours ago

The only part of Mathurin’s game that has been “bad” in LA has been his 3 point shooting. He’s jumped in everything else.

MindofShadow | Pacers

0 | 3 hours ago

Jumped is way too strong of a word even if you look at his stats with rose colored glasses.

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

1 | 3 hours ago

You are free to pull up the advanced stats and let me know what adjective is better to describe the difference in Benn’s game going from Indiana to LA. He’s averaging career high percentages in almost every advanced stat except TS% (due to his 3 point shooting). His assist percentage climbed from 10.7% to 15% while his turnover % dropped 2 points. His rebounding percentage has increased by 3 points. He also has career highs in both block and steal %.

He’s clearly been better since going to the Clippers.

Ill_Shallot_6853

1 | 2 hours ago

Cling to that beyond annoying narrative with dear life for as long as You need to Genius and try WATCHING the Games.

He’s been in the + every Game. Is rebounding and assisting even.

When all He does is ‘just score’ you Geniuses throw shade. When He’s been in the + literally every Game as A Clipper playing hard defense and rebounding all You haters do then is criticize his scoring.

Not ONE clipper fan is upset by the trade nor should they be. It was a massive Fleece.

So now the narrative is the bi lingual French as first language Mathurin isn’t intelligent? Got ya.

New narratives come up everyday for this TWENTY THREE year old.

Hang on to those narratives as long as You need to. I 100 percent GUARANTEE your the same group of Geniuses that thought Buddy was good because he shot 40 percent from 3.

It’s a literal waste of time have any discussion with anyone that doesn’t think He hasn’t played well since the trade because of his 3 point percentage even though Clippers are WINNING and he’s in the + every damn night including A +32 against Pacers main Guys.

Not even Jay Huffs fluke 3 point shooting night could make the Game even remotely close. So I’m sure now inevitably he will be scapegoated with Jarace for losses going forward now that Mathurin and Jackson are gone.

I’m A die hard Pacers fan but was loving literally every second last night because of Pacers fans like You.

Take that L. And if you think this Pacers team is going to even sniff a deep playoff run next year with Zubac your even more delusional.

Ill_Shallot_6853

1 | 2 hours ago

There is way more to basketball games then shooting percentage Einstein. He was a +32 last night against YOUR team. Take that L and try watching games when making hard conclusions about a player

smoothsoul23 | Raptors

-6 | 17 hours ago

Well Pacers couldn’t be bothered to play some credible defense anyway.

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

-7 | 17 hours ago

They could have kept him instead of Nesmith.

CloneWarsMaul | Celtics

22 | 17 hours ago

Nesmith better than Mathurin

Ok_Matter_2617 | Pacers

13 | 16 hours ago

Nesmith is truly a perfect 5th starter & somehow the Pacers convinced him to take bench player money

asu8181

-3 | 17 hours ago

Dunno about that

Tijenater | IND

20 | 16 hours ago

He’s more valuable to our system. Physical, athletic defender who was the best 3pt shooter in the entire playoffs last year. Game 1 against the knicks made him a legend in my books

CloneWarsMaul | Celtics

14 | 16 hours ago

How quickly people forget. Nesmith was unconscious in the playoff run, is a much better defender, greater fit to the Pacers system too as he is better off ball

Remmarg25 | Pacers

11 | 16 hours ago

The thing is Nesmith and Nembhard are better fits next to Haliburton.

In an ideal world where Haliburton is healthy, the starters don’t need more scoring. But defense, shooting (Nesmith), and a secondary ball-handler (Nembhard) are important.

I love Benn, but his defense and playmaking just hadn’t reached the point the Pacers had been hoping for and his best fit was being the #¹⁄₂ option with the second unit.

And, with how the Pacers operate, paying $20+ million for a bench piece wasn’t in the cards when they still desperately needed a center.

InTheMorning_Nightss | San Diego Clippers

7 | 15 hours ago

It’s gonna be interesting seeing how much these score first guards all get paid this summer.

LAC traded Norm away because he wanted something like $30M a year in his extension. Mathurin is obviously looking for a bag. Then you also got Simons, White, Sexton, and Ayo as FAs. The draft also has like 4-5 elite prospect scoring guards like Acuff, Philon, etc.

Considering the fact that there’s not THAT much cap space to go around, I think some teams are gonna get solid deals for their scoring focused guards.

LeagueWinningPickup

2 | 9 hours ago

I think you nailed it , after Cam Thomas got waived I think it was even more obvious that type of player has really lost its value .

batmans420 | Pacers

2 | 15 hours ago

At the very least, he’s better for us

legend023 | Pelicans

7 | 17 hours ago

That would’ve been dumb.

ZdenekTheMan

0 | 4 hours ago

Lol. Nesmith is clearly better

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

0 | 4 hours ago

Better at defense and that’s it.

ZdenekTheMan

0 | 4 hours ago

Smarter. Better playmaker. Better defender. Much better suited to the Pacer system.

He’s definitely the better player

9_Nightwing_1 | Pacers

0 | 4 hours ago

Smarter? By what metric? He’s also 3 years older than Mathurin. Better playmaker? Again, by what metric?

Nesmith without Haliburton has morphed into Matisse Thybulle. Dude is shooting 38% from the field this year. He’s strictly 3 and D. He struggles to create his own shot, and Mathurin’s assist percentage is 15% since joining the Clippers. It was 10.7% in Indy. Both are higher than Nesmith in an increased role.

Bennedict Mathurin in a blowout win against his former team: 22 MINS │ 23 PTS │ 8 REB │ 4 AST │ 1 STL │ 1 BLK │ 8-11 FG │ 6-7 FT │ +32