[Highlight] SGA runs into Jalen Brunson knocking him down with no call from the refs. Mike Brown is so irate he gets assessed a technical
You can do everything right defensively and still get fucked because the NBA loves offensive players running into players
It’s starting to ruin games at the kid’s level. I’m so tired of watching 9 year olds who can’t even dribble properly yet or reliably make a layup seeking contact and looking for calls. I almost miss everyone wanting to be Curry.
how tables have turned. Soccer used to be notorious and “hated” by many viewers as players would oftenly dive and search for contact in penalty box rather than play normally. But with current technology, 50 cameras, instant replays, being mocked over the social media and such players have significantly limited that type of behaviour. Meanwhile basketball went from tuff 90’s physical game into everything is a foul, players actively jumping into other players for fouls, highest amount of flopping in nba history, even speaking openly is prohibited and gets players fined.
This is an amazing take never thought of it like this.
It shows the NBA can fix the issue through enforcement just like footy leagues did.
You say footy and I think Aussie rules lol
SGA is Daicos confirmed
soccer was very much looked down on at my school, if someone said they played we do the whole fake injury thing to poke fun at the sport. I also remember “lebron is a bitch” narrative around friends because he would complain about calls and flop, but look at half the league now. Growing up today watching luka complain and sulk over a no call and all the foul baiting across the league I probably would’ve played soccer…
Still watch a hornets game here and there and I’ll be tuned in for playoffs but at what point do we consider officiating the biggest detriment to this product if it isn’t already? We get L2M reports where they admit to missing a game defining call and those don’t even make the front page anymore it’s just normal.
Refs been deciding the game for 30 years, can’t blame the players for taking advantage
They are still diving all the time in the Premier League and La Liga lol
The funny thing is that the NBA uses all of those cameras and replays to slow down a momentum based game and still call the same ticky tack bs that everyone hates.
Players were fouling bating all the time in the 90s. Even Jordan was.
someday when people play pick up, they should have to decide before game if they’re playing basketball rules or nba rules
My kid is going to be yelling “AND ONEEE” before he can actually add.
The NBA sure loves one specific offensive player the most
Yeah Steph Curry, easily the 2nd biggest star of the last DECADE, doesn’t get anywhere near the favorable whistle SGA does. If it was just “offensive players” or even “offensive stars” getting getting a good whistle, it’d be tolerable.
it’s not tolerable at all to me, I don’t care if it’s the 12th man on the team a foul is a foul
Luka?
Yeah they really do love Luka an unhealthy amount.
But then this sub gets mad when players flop to sell contact on a offensive foul
Yeah because we don’t like flopping lmao. How is flopping the solution, just ref the damn game better
Cant blame players when game forces them to do this lmao
Quite LITERALLY “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”
Yeah I never liked that statement. I am fully capable of hating both.
Yes I can, I can blame players who flop.
I was saying this in another thread but to me (most of the time) the “flopping” on defense seems to be when there is significant contact initiated by the offensive player, and the defensive player is trying to “sell it”. I much rather prefer that then when players snap their heads back on offense when there’s no contact, or players contorting their bodies on offense cause their arm was grazed
Flopping and selling fouls are very different things.
One is lying about being fouled, the other is making sure the refs see a real foul.
We hate flopping, I can tolerate selling a foul.
IDK why this is so hard for some people to understand. Some will say selling is still a flop, but they’re being obtuse. Have you ever recoiled from a friend punching your arm or said “ow!” even though it didn’t hurt that bad? It’s a similar reaction. There’s a pretty obvious difference between faking contact and selling a foul that actually happened.
After what Zion did last night in that Lakers game and didn’t get called for a charge, I don’t think charges are a thing anymore
That shit was hilariously bad too, arguably looked worse than this one too. 10:00 timestamp on Free Dawkins highlights if anyone wants to see
To me the worst part about this is that it’s a no call. Don’t get me wrong, this should’ve been a charge, but to not call anything to me is in no way justified. If they want to say Brunson wasn’t set or that he flopped then I could accept it, but blow the whistle here no matter what when a defender goes down like that after contact. Then the Knicks could also have a chance to challenge
Agreed. It’s not nothing, so call it one way or another.
They should’ve called a blocking so Brown could’ve challenged.
Are flops really a thing regularly called in real time? I could see the ref thinking in real time this is embellishment enough that the contact doesn’t merit a call. But this HAS to be a charge.
Overall, not nearly enough offensive fouls called. It’s almost impossible to get an offensive foul unless you fall down, so you almost have to anticipate needing to fall down all the time while playing defense.
Are flops really a thing regularly called in real time?
Currently no, they’re not. But at one point maybe a couple of seasons ago they were a “point of emphasis” for the league for about a month where they would call them in real time. Then they stopped suddenly doing that with no explanation
I noticed it in a few Celtics games recently as well, multiple charges not called, or clear charges called as blocks.
Honestly I hate it. Offense already gets away with so much, and taking a charge used to be a nice momentum changer for the defense
They’re a thing when it’s convenient
This isn’t news. Ersan Ilyasova was the king of drawing charges and refs let LeBron plow right through him in the early 2010s.
mods gonna remove this post but theyll keep up multiple posts of chets 3 at the end of the half LOL these mods are actual jokes
lol remember when they shut down the sub to protest and it was when the nuggets won the NBA finals?
the nba circle jerk hosted the game threads
That’s what killed that sub. Was never the same after that.
The mrsunsfan saga probably didn’t help
True NBA sub 🫡
I don’t actually remember that because the mods had their own game thread while they locked everyone out
Oh damn I remember that lmao what a load of bullshit
Hey that couldn’t have happened because I was told 70% of the mods here are regular contributors/nugget fans on r/denvernuggets
That was such an stupid decision it’s still crazy
The 3rd party protest? That was silly.anyway
The OKC coddling by the mods on this sub is wild lol
Mods are ran by the league or their own interests in most subs
Jokic is the one coddled the most by the mods. OKC is fucking hated by everyone mate.
These people must live in an alternate reality. Such a bizarre take.
I’m so lost…. we’re being coddled on here? Shai highlights get 500 upvotes while Doris Burke’s trash ass take got 10k
They don’t wanna hear that for some reason. This sub is def anti-thunder. But anything to get some upvotes I guess lol
They’re just pushing the league’s agenda
Conspiracy theory involving mods lmao, some of yall need to get outside
People post constant foul calls and missed fouls calls involving OKC, even a commentator just referencing SGA in a completely different game and you think that. Not the fact that this sub is moving so far away from being actually about basketball and just useless rage baiting posts like this.
Critical thinking is a lost skill.
But they haven’t, so what are we whining about
This post is the top of my feed tbh. Highlight seems objective and high enough quality, it should stay up.
1 hour in and still not removed
God forbid the subreddit posts actual highlights and not just drama farming
or, you know.. a very pivotal missed call? SGA with 3 fouls in the first 10 minutes of the game? this is… the NBA sub.. right? so.. fouls are part of the game.. refs are part of the game… missed calls can and should be discussed.
Would have been SGAs 3rd foul in the first quarter. Can’t be having that.
yea just like the league couldn’t have Jokic fouling out in that game against the Jazz
I know this was a long time ago and I should let it go, but there should’ve been much more uproar in my opinion back in the 2022 Finals when the rules analyst admitted on live TV that the refs absolutely officiate players differently when they have five fouls
remember Booker in the nba finals? He had like 7-8 fouls lmaoo
I remember being absolutely livid at the refs in that series. Booker, Paul, and Crowder spent more time complaining to the refs than actually playing
Unless your name is karl Anthony towns for some reason
Funny thing OG had the same shit which overturned
Foul trouble SGA is up there with One-tech Draymond
If you zoom in with an electron microscope, Brunson’s feet were moving.
This has to be either a charge or a block.
sometimes i think the refs don’t know if they should call offensive or defensive foul, so they decide to not call anything at all
if they call it a defensive foul then it can be challenged and overturned
Honestly that’s sort of a problem too. The refs ought to be able to blow the whistle when there’s clearly enough contact that a foul occurred, but for bang-bang plays where they honestly don’t know if it’s a blocking foul or a charge just call a ref initiated review BEFORE deciding who committed the foul. Swallowing their whistles bc they don’t know is dumb, and potentially causing a team to waste a challenge all bc they flipped a coin in their head is just as dumb.
These plays don’t happen enough to slow down games significantly. We’re talking 1 or 2 of these per game. And i think almost ev1 would agree that it’s worth getting it right, especially when these occur in critical moments late in a game, when teams may not even have challenges left. Nobody wants to watch an entire game only for the outcome to be decided by a bad call late in the 4th.
In this case, it would have been SGA’s 3rd foul in the first quarter.
Exactly! It’s worth getting it right bc it changes the cadence of the game.
More likely they can’t think which call has a better chance of ultimately resulting in OKC covering the spread.
This I agree with
That’s what I don’t get. They have to call this a foul one way or the other. It’s most definitely a charge, but that was an obvious whistle.
It literally doesn’t matter if his feet are moving, you just have to beat the offensive player to the spot and be in a legal guarding position, which Brunson clearly does
This is the most misunderstood rule in basketball, even commentators constantly reference the feet moving for some reason.
To be fair, the defender’s feet moving is usually a sign that they aren’t in legal guarding position yet.
Exactly. The feet must be set myth is the most exhausted casual take in basketball. If you beat the offensive player to the spot and your torso is square, you’ve legally won that space Brunson is just a master at timing the angle. It’s high IQ positioning, not a foul.
While that is true they often use feet moving as a way of saying not legal guarding position
On the catch though, don’t you need to leave enough space for the offensive player to react, even if you technically beat them to the spot? If this were off the dribble, I’d 100% agree with you.
Yeah, with secondary defenders establishing LGP is more difficult.
The block/charge is the worst call in the nba. It’s a judgement call almost every time. It’s dangerous. Even after review it feels like it’s ruled on a technicality
Definitely not a judgement call every time lol
How can you say that with a straight face when this collision was judged to not be a foul?
Because this instance isn’t representative of every instance
They don’t feel like a basketball play like if someone did that at the park you’d look weird like if you flopped
Is it always a flop??? Maybe sometimes the offensive player is running them over?
Half the shit some of these superstars do would not fly at the park
You guys are weird. Always taking sides and then painting a narrative that fits that side.
A Charge aint a flop and its an acceptable and even respected play here in Europe from my experience.
Unless youre playing against some thugs that are looking for any excuse to fight, but they dont like any play or call unless it goes their way. We got plenty of those too, but not many people want to play with those sensitive divas preteding to be tough by fighting.
Actually, I paused it at the moment of impact and his feet aren’t moving
Well yeah, cause it’s paused
That was the joke, yes
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I’d lean towards an offensive foul, but either way there should have been a whistle.
Feet don’t have to be set on a charge.
Every atom must be set to draw a charge
*Large Hadron Collider
How long before this is taken down?
Why are they taking it down?
one upload was shite quality and the other upload had a bias title
Why would it get taken down they hate sga
Apparently mods took it down at least twice already
they already took this down 2 times
They’ve been taking it down
I recall there being a thing that usually happens at like half court, where if a pass is made by the player, the defender has to give them a step or something to actually avoid the contact. But I can’t find that in the weird ass rules
When a player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box (the area between the three-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle, and the endline), the defensive player must allow the offensive player the space to stop and/or change directions (or land, stop and/or change directions, if landing). The defensive player may establish a legal guarding position in the path of the offensive player who received a pass inside the lower defensive box, regardless of speed or distance, by beating him to the spot. However, he must always allow an airborne offensive player the space to land.
The rule. Given that SGA is trying to stop/change direction* and can’t this is a defensive foul.
*At least to me it looks like he’s trying to pull up.
This is reframing it incorrectly because Brunson has legal defensive position on that spot well before SGA received the pass. This isn’t saying you’ve got to get out of the way, it’s saying you can’t establish between him receiving the pass and having a chance to react. Not applicable to this obvious to anyone with eyes charge.
He was definitely decelerating to gather the ball
They didn’t call a defensive foul either…
i’m curious to hear someone knowledgeable on this - so he’s catching the ball w running momentum towards the goal (which he’ll reach w 1-2 more full strides) and the defender establishes legal guarding position in that path it’s a no-call because the offensive player has..a right to continue his path towards the goal given the speed that he’s at?
They do yeah. Idk if Brunson let SGA get a step or not here it was close. It probably should have been some kind of call. Unless they think it was a flop
I mean, on a quick bang bang, they tend to let it go.
As usual, it depends on their mood.
Officiating is, by far, the worst part of the on-court product. I don’t really care if the league wants to allow all physicality or none, but they have got to get the refs to call it consistently. When a call this obvious is blown, it just reinforces the idea that the refs are incompetent or biased.
Absolutely. I don’t care much about the level of physical contact the league wants. If they want to let them play with some bumping and contact, that’s fine, players will adapt. If they want to blow the whistle any time any illegal contact happens, that’s fine, the player will adapt.
But when one time you can have contact like this with no whistle, and another time you get a court date for being within 5 feet of a player, players can’t adapt to that.
Is this like the 6th one posted? inb4 the take down by mods.
Mods just be gatekeepers lol
Mods keep deleting this, release the SGA files
People should post it in a not shit quality then
No one here is talking about how soft that contact was. There are dozens of no calls for harder contact than that every game. Someone falling over shouldn’t necessitate a whistle.
I’m not calling it a flop, but it did seem like Brunson was ready to fall down as soon as there was a molecule of contact.
if brunson had his arms even slighty up and braced for the impact SGA would have gotten free throws
Yeah, Brunson was trying very hard to sell contact. It was really a pretty soft connection
Holy shit I had to scroll far for a reasonable take. Everyone here absolutely frothing to perpetuate the narrative. I don’t think they even like or watch basketball
Agreed. I’m fine with a no call here.
You’re not allowed to touch Shai, but he’s allowed to touch the fuck out of you.
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Genuinely believe its to boost the odds okc repeats, then when they inevitably get let down in the playoffs by the refs and get exposed and eliminated, the bet books will all make an obscene amount of money on lost OKC bets, its always fixed
Can’t forget Kalshi
I’m surprised Brunson wasn’t the one who picked up the foul lol
That’s what happens when a floppable force hits a very moveable object
Honestly, the only surprising thing about this is that it wasn’t called a defensive foul, and 1
Ball back too, because fuck em that’s why
Honestly this could have gone anyway. Textbook by the rules Brunson looks like he’s moving his feet. Without the benefit of instant replay it looks like an offensive foul. And then looking at it even closer SGA doesn’t have that much momentum and Brunson does embellish a little so a no call isnt terrible either.
The mods are the refs lol
That’s a flop tho
The thing that kills me, and should kill all of you as well, is that this play by OG was ruled a blocking foul (which it totally was on replay, feet are moving and OG swipes the side of him) and then overtuned and ruled a charge after OKC challenged.
Nevermind that this would’ve made it a 2 pt game with 5 and a half mins left…if THAT is a charge then how TF is tis SGA play NOT a charge? How is that just a no call?
It’s just so damn obvious they didn’t want to give him a 3rd foul in the first quarter when he earned every single one of them. To be honest he should’ve had 4 fouls in the first. Hilarious league.
I think the ref knew he blew that one because he gave Mike Brown as much rope as he could and then some before he gave him that tech lol
Fuck yeah Mike.
I’m surprised this wasn’t deleted already
I’ve said it a million times but the utter incompetency of NBA referees is a far bigger problem than tanking. Idgaf about tanking, fix your officiating
I’ve seen more hyper-incompetant referee work in the past 2 weeks than I can ever remember seeing in my life. I don’t know if it’s the emergence of sports wagering as a nationwide hobby or what but it has gone completely off the rails.
FUCK SGA BITCHASS
Don’t even have the heart to post the same comment because it’ll just get deleted again. Just know I hate them both 💔
As a Knicks fan God bless
I will post this one. If SGA gets away with a lot, so does Brown. The guy always extends his arm and ever gets called for it…
How many times are mods gonna remove this lol
That was like a perfect defensive play by Brunson. Saw the back cut coming, got there before the ball, posted up and set his feet, and took the charge correctly. And then no call lmao. I’m actually surprised they didn’t give sga the call with how it usually goes. This is why people say defense is basically impossible in the nba these days. Any judgement call by the refs goes the offense’s way.
Thunder slowly becoming the most disliked team in the league lol
Edit: I mean the Refs are the most disliked team in the NBA.
Brunson does this to defender 10-15 times a game.
NBA refs are such a joke. That has to be a foul on SOMEBODY, you can’t just call nothing!
Officiating is making me side with the Knicks and I want to throw up.
Refs are definitely given a script
I really want this call to be out the game. Off-ball charges are so lame like move your feet and play actual defense instead of forcing a call.
respect, I don’t understand why the refs pick a few players in the league and treat them like they can do no wrong
As a Hs referee (and totally recognizing that level is WAY lower than NBA) this kinda shit would get me a phone call from my assigner after the game to ask wtf I saw that led to a no call. The fact it’s happening at the highest level is an absolute fuckin’ joke man.
Somehow both a block and a flop 👏
When two foul merchants collide.
When the unstoppable foul-baiter meets the immovable foul-baiter.
I mean, it’s probably a charge, but SGA didn’t knock Brunson down, he flopped
he’s not a superstar without the constant ref bullshit he gets
Could someone explain to me Why In The Fucking Fuck refs let this guy get away with everything and send him to the line everything he wishes!?
Hate to say it, I think this is a blocking foul. No call is insane though.
Thank God this didn’t end in a 1 possession game
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Gonna be a few nephews in here that see no issues with SGA trucking someone with no whistle
Gonna be a few nephews that think this is news worthy. This shit happens every game.
Yikes! That’s bad
Its just getting ridiculous at this point.
They don’t call shit on SGA
F those refs and f silver
Nobody likes the thunder
SGA stands for bitchmade. Btw
Charges and midrangers aren’t a thing anymore
Gotta blow the whistle
Maybe they were setting the tone for more contact to be played
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I hate Shai and his foul baiting, but sometimes it’s close and a no call is the right call here.
That play is bad for the sport anyway. Little flopping ass.
These refs were the absolute worst
The script might be in
How was this not a charge but that kenrich Williams charge was?
This was a completely legal play and maybe should have even been a foul on Brunson. It’s literally a rule. No call is fine too, but if they call that a charge then it would have been the wrong call
Rigged. It’s why the nba will have a slow decline compared to other leagues.
That is a offensive foul on anyone expect SGA. He is untouchable.
This and not calling moving screens is making it impossible for defenders. We have gotten to the point where it’s just ridiculous. One game is reffed like it’s the eighties and the next the defenders are not even allowed to breathe on their opponents. It’s so inconsistent that it’s infuriating.
For years now we just come to the conclusion that playoff games are reffed differently. Why?!? Should the game not be called the same all year on a consistent basis?!? It’s the same game all year! Call it the right way every game and get rid of the damn half circle BS under the basket and stop letting guys get away with traveling and palming the ball.
There’s very little consistency in the way games are officiated in the NBA.
How did Shai running into a defender and NOT flailing around like a pool noodle NOT signal a giant red flag of suspicion to the refs?
Would have been his 3rd foul in the first quarter
Kalshi